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keymichael1855
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posted 12-05-2012 09:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for keymichael1855   Click Here to Email keymichael1855     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The LUT is actually a combination of a 3D illustration and a photo. The LUT itself is a super high resolution (1275 X 6375 pixels) rendering of a 3D model of the tower, with the perspective generated to match the model and show the maximum amount of detail. The backdrop of the crawlerway, greenery, and ocean is a lower resolution photo of the real thing. The crawlerway backdrop has been intentionally blurred to bring the LUT and your Dragon model into focus, much like how a photo of the real thing would look.

When I first set out to find a good background image for my own personal Dragon model, I thought that I could find one using google. After searching hundreds of images, there just wasn't one to be found. Finding one where the LUT was close to the correct angle without the Saturn V in the picture was impossible. Plus, the images were barely enough resolution to print on an 8.5 X 11 sheet of paper. When they were stretched to over 6 feet tall, they got really rough!!!

The answer was to generate the LUT model using a 3D model. My background in 3D architectural illustration allowed me to render the LUT and composite the final image that you see. It really is a beautiful backdrop!!!

Hope this answers your question.

tegwilym
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posted 12-06-2012 03:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tegwilym   Click Here to Email tegwilym     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by keymichael1855:
Hope this answers your question.
Yes it does. Thanks! I might have to go with one of those. I need another Ikea case for that (I have one for a bunch of models already) and get the Apollo 10/11 LM/CM mod also.

Beautiful work on that!

Philip
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posted 12-08-2012 03:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Philip   Click Here to Email Philip     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by keymichael1855:
The answer was to generate the LUT model using a 3D model.
Would these 3D background tower-images become available to cS forum-members if there's enough interest?

keymichael1855
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posted 12-08-2012 03:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for keymichael1855   Click Here to Email keymichael1855     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello Philip! Thanks for the interest in the LUT background. Sorry if there was any confusion. YES! The background and MLP are available to anyone who would like to have one. The price for the background is $60.

If you would like a constructed MLP, the cost on those is $60 as well. However, if you order both, I will give a $10 discount for $110 total. I also offer a "kit" option where you can order the MLP main pieces and assemble it yourself for a little cheaper.

Just send me a private message and I would be glad to provide the display piece(s) for you. Thanks!!! --Michael

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posted 12-17-2012 08:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for cspg   Click Here to Email cspg     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by cspg:
Moved to March 2013.
Add three more months and you might get it.

Valid for some warbirds, too. Wonder what is going on with Dragon...

Kal-El
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posted 12-17-2012 07:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kal-El     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Awesome display. I'm hoping to have this rocket some day.

WAWalsh
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posted 12-31-2012 12:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for WAWalsh   Click Here to Email WAWalsh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This should probably come with the lead -- "what did I do wrong."

Based on the recommendations here, I purchased a Detolf display cabinet (I will say that despite the IKEA reputation for construction issues, it was easy to put together). I then finally unpacked the Dragon Saturn V, which I purchased a number of months ago. I put together the Saturn V. I tried to place it within the cabinet. I discovered that the escape rocket at the top makes the model about an inch too tall, if I use the base which comes with the model.

Have I goofed this completely somewhere? Are those using the Detolf improvising a stand so that the Saturn V fits?

On a different note, my initial reaction to the Dragon is disappointment. Two pieces had broken off the second stage during shipping and one of the SM thrusters has only three nozzles, not four. Getting the F1 engines in was not easy and, ultimately, I opted for subtle filing over brute force to get the engines in. The shroud for the LM section is also remarkably flimsy.

Hope to add the Apollo 10 model in the near future, however, as it would be nice to have the LM visible.

model maker
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posted 12-31-2012 01:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for model maker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If you decide to replace the plastic CSM with the metal Apollo 10 CSM it will be very top heavy and will fall off easily, so beware!

WAWalsh
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posted 12-31-2012 02:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for WAWalsh   Click Here to Email WAWalsh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks -- In rereading through the thread, I noted conclusion. May just put it inside the case at the base.

Absent another suggestion, suspect I will have to design an alternative, lower stand.

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posted 12-31-2012 05:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for birds-or-shells   Click Here to Email birds-or-shells     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The base that comes with the Detolf cabinet is too high to allow the model to fit in the cabinet with the escape tower attached. You need to replace this base with one made of plywood not thicker than 3/8 inch. For my display I went to Home Depot and in the lumber department found 2' by 2' square sheets of plywood that are 3/8 inch thick which are identified as "3/8 2X2 BC Handypanel". They cost around $6.00. You should spray paint it flat black and then drill at the center point a hole using a 3/8" bit. Insert the rod that came with the model into this hole and use a hammer to pound rod into hole until it is flush with the bottom of the board — it should fit very tightly!

As noted in earlier posts replacing the command module with one made of metal will make the model top-heavy. The best way to address this is by gluing each stage of the rocket together using "Micro Kristal Klear" which is manufactured by Micorscale Industries, Inc. It costs about $3.00 and can be found in modeling shops, online retailers and eBay. The benefit of this particular adhesive is it provides a flexible joint and it is not permanent so you can still take things apart if ever want to. To use the glue apply it to each joint to be attached using a #1 or #3 fine sable paint brush which are only a $1.00 and can be found at any craft store. Without the glue the whole rocket will fall over and break — trust me, I know!

If you click on this link you can see step by step instructions for getting the model to fit in the Detolf cabinet, using "Micro Kristal Klear" adhesive, using Apollo 8 and Apollo 11 Dragon models to create a cutaway view of the Apollo 11. It also shows how to make your display "come to life" using the beautiful background image and mobile launch platform available from Mike Key whose user name on collectSPACE is keymichael1855.

Kal-El
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posted 12-31-2012 09:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kal-El     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for the info.

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posted 01-01-2013 08:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for birds-or-shells   Click Here to Email birds-or-shells     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by WAWalsh:
Two pieces had broken off the second stage during shipping and one of the SM thrusters has only three nozzles, not four.
Mine also arrived damaged. Three of the five "LH-2 Feed Line Fairing" were broken off on the S-II Second Stage (I had no idea what these pieces were called but was able to find an image using Google).

I contacted the retailer (Flying Mule) who will send me a replacement Second Stage when it becomes available. Alternatively I could have contacted Dragon customer support. In the meanwhile I reattached these pieces using "Micro Kristal Klear" manufactured by Micorscale Industries, Inc. The repair looks so good I may not even bother replacing the second stage.

Regarding the missing thruster - if you do a mash-up with the Apollo 8 and/or Apollo 11 models you will end up with extra thrusters.

WAWalsh
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posted 01-01-2013 10:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for WAWalsh   Click Here to Email WAWalsh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks birds. I had the same pieces broken off (two, not three); nice to know what they are.

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posted 01-02-2013 11:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sev8n     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Add me to the list of those who received their kit with broken fairings. In my case they were not only broken but missing, I was able to get replacements through Flying Mule.

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posted 01-11-2013 05:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Madon_space   Click Here to Email Madon_space     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Got mine for Christmas along with the Apollo 10 command/service module 1:72 scale.

The issues are there as everyone has mentioned but to be honest I am not really that bothered as I just love the size of this thing so I won't be making any changes to it any time soon.

I would of liked to put it in another cabinet but not sure it would look right as I already have the Detolf display case on either side of my fireplace so don't think two on one side and one on the other would look right. What do you guys think?

Philip
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posted 01-12-2013 05:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Philip   Click Here to Email Philip     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Superb Apollo/Spaceflight display Rob!

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posted 01-12-2013 04:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Madon_space   Click Here to Email Madon_space     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Philip. I was going to incorporate the Dragon Apollo 10 onto the Dragon Saturn V but have now decided to leave them as separate models. I just need to get hold of a Redstone rocket the same size as the Saturn and I will be laughing.

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posted 01-12-2013 04:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Madon_space:
I just need to get hold of a Redstone rocket the same size as the Saturn and I will be laughing.
Same size or same scale? Dragon produces a 1:72 Mercury-Redstone, if the latter (it comes in diecast and kit form).

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posted 01-13-2013 02:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Madon_space   Click Here to Email Madon_space     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Robert I was thinking more in the way of size so it stands out like the Saturn V but thanks for the link.

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posted 01-28-2013 01:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for model maker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I haven't heard anything about any future releases from Dragon.

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posted 02-22-2013 11:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for model maker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I hope they release them again soon.

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posted 02-23-2013 05:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for cspg   Click Here to Email cspg     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by model maker:
I haven't heard anything about any future releases from Dragon.

Nothing on the horizon according to their 2013-2014 Space catalog (and same thing for their Warbirds and commercial airliners series). They have either put things on hold (the space items I mean), stopped or do not wish to communicate any future releases.

The latest warbird announcement came from Dragon USA not Dragon itself and the Apollo 1:18 astronauts are also mentionned on Dragon USA website as a new line of products but nothing on the Dragon Hong-Kong web site...

On the other hand, WWII afficionados should have a blast (!).

cspg
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posted 03-12-2013 02:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cspg   Click Here to Email cspg     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Model kit is announced.
Dragon’s announcement of a 1/72 scale pre-finished replica of a Saturn V rocket in its Space Collection created a huge buzz among space aficionados! Even in miniature form, it was absolutely enormous, as the completed model stood an unbelievable 1.5m tall. Now eager model builders can get in on the action with a full kit version of the Saturn V. As the longest, heaviest and most powerful rocket ever produced, the original Saturn V stood 110.6m high and had a diameter of 10.1m. The Saturn V was at the heart of NASA’s Apollo and Skylab programs between 1967 and 1973. It was able to launch a 45-tonne payload into space beyond Low Earth Orbit. A total of 13 Saturn V launches took place, every one of them a success, plus they safely delivered 24 astronauts to the Moon.

Builders and owners of this Saturn rocket from Dragon will cause jaws to drop, while the model will without fail draw gasps of astonishment! The model includes the Command/Service Module (CSM) and Launch Escape System. All the relevant detail is carefully reproduced on the three rocket stages, and the model comes with accurate decals to provide the relevant markings. This Saturn V kit must become a centerpiece of any space fan’s collection, and as such it comes with a stable circular base to allow it to be freestanding on the floor. This spectacular and massive kit will send ambitious modelers into orbit!

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posted 03-12-2013 04:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for the clocks running   Click Here to Email the clocks running     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Great News! Now we need someone to make a detail kit to render a realistic 1/72 scale rendition of this bad boy.

sev8n
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posted 03-12-2013 07:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sev8n     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The images on the Dragon site show the same misshapen F-1 engine fairings and eight ullage motors on the SI/SII interstage.

I don't see any corrections/improvements over the initial release.

Jay Chladek
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posted 03-12-2013 11:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jay Chladek   Click Here to Email Jay Chladek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm not expecting them to make any improvements to the parts at all given this seems to be Dragon's style (why would they? It sold well enough as a pre-built model). BUT, I will still buy this anyway as an unbuilt kit means I don't have to fiddle around with taking pre-assembled bits apart or strip incorrect paintjobs and repaint things. As a model builder, I can fix what I need to, which is why I build and don't necessarily just collect.

The only question now is... what will they charge for the kit?

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posted 03-12-2013 11:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for the clocks running   Click Here to Email the clocks running     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dragon's USA website states that the model kit price is $139.99.

The other big question that I have is who will make a mod kit for this model?

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posted 03-14-2013 09:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ronpur   Click Here to Email Ronpur     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Great news!!!

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posted 04-03-2013 08:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for birds-or-shells   Click Here to Email birds-or-shells     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Previously I posted images and instructions for creating a diorama featuring the "Dragon Models' 1:72 Saturn V Apollo 11 Rocket". Unfortunately the server where these files are stored is no longer available.

I have re-posted these files to my Microsoft SkyDrive account which can be accessed here. (Please let me know if this link does not work.)

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posted 04-03-2013 06:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PeterO   Click Here to Email PeterO     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Flying Mule also shows the built-up version being available again in June, with a price of $221.99.

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posted 04-04-2013 11:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for model maker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Is this Saturn V the same 1/72 that was released last year? I just don't remember it having the "APOLLO 11" name on it.

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I picked up the Dragon 1/72 Saturn V model kit at my local Hobby Store (about $140) a couple weeks ago. My initial thoughts -- there's good news and bad news about this kit even for those familiar with the pre-built release...

Pros —

  • It's a huge kit and comes in a very large box and as those who bought and have the pre-built display know, it does looks very impressive due to the sheer size.

  • It *does* come with the full Dragon Apollo spacecraft including a LM (with the revised Ascent Stage part that corrects a facet), basically the Apollo 11 "lunar Flight" kit. No astronauts.

  • It includes a transparent SLA adapter, both upper and lower part (which includes the instrument unit ring). In fact, the entire sprue that includes the SLA is clear plastic which includes a clear transparent Boost Protective cover (so you can see the CM under it) and LES!

  • Much of the way the 3 stage bodies are engineered will make it easier than other smaller scale Saturn V models to paint the black roll patterns. Basically, the ribbed parts are complete one-piece rings like say, the Revell 1/96 kit while the smooth tank bodies are two half parts so obviously some sanding and smoothing will be in order to make the joints look smooth.

  • It appears the SII and its Interstage have a really clean separation joint unlike the pre-build so one can actually show the stage without the Interstage hiding much of the J2 engines. However, the upper SII/SIVB Interstage is molded as one piece to the top ribbed part of the SII stage unlike the Revell 1/96 kit.

  • Casting looks sharp. No warps or blems and detail fwiw, is clean. The entire kit is molded in light gray plastic. There is a long aluminum tube about 5/16 dia included that appears to run through the center 1st stage engine the length of that stage for support to the base.
Cons —
  • As expected from seeing the pre-built model, general detail is sparse, what's there is often wildly inaccurate and overall, the rocket is mostly toy-like especially regarding the engines. Going stage by stage...

    Stage 1 on the body there is no access doors, launch hold down recessed areas on the thrust structure, or other detail parts that could have easily been sculpted as part of the thrust structure. In fact, there's no markings or locator holes so any side could be Station 1. This lack of outside detail carries for all three stages. The only outside detail on the 1st stage is the two long tunnels that are 2 piece parts, one for each side. The top tank dome looks ok, but it appears to be set up to fit far too low in the top of the stage instead of nearly flush with the top. The bottom thrust structure plate isn't perfect, but of the 3 stages, it's the least objectionable.

    Stage 2 is also featureless on the outside, you could pretty much locate the 5 fuel tunnels anywhere around the stage you want. Same with the up to 8 rockets on the outside of the Interstage. Most problematic is the SII's thrust structure which is similar to the Airfix 1/144 kit. There's more detail (if a bit random) on the thrust structure but the center J2 engine inserts into a recessed hole in the heat shield which is round (like the Airfix kit) instead of the more accurate "stop sign" shape and there is no cruciform structure for the 4 outside J2 engines to fit upon. The J2 engines are fair representations, but are cast as one piece, limiting detail. Oddly, there's only 5 identical J2 engines — the SIVB has an even more rudimentary looking J2 engine specifically for that stage. The top of the SII stage has *both* the tank dome and the (painted yellow) brace used for lifting the stage as seen on the display rocket at KSC. It shouldn't be a big deal to simply move the tank dome up to the proper height and omit the other part if desired. The top and bottom "ribbed halves of the 3rd stages are identical parts, same size and height, even same part number. You can get away with it for the SIVB thanks to the "spacer" ring (even though it's noticeably of a larger diameter). On the other hand, the top half of the 2nd stage with the conical SII/SIVB Interstage — it does not have any placement markings or parts for the 4 retro-rocket "bumps".

    Stage 3 features the same wildly inaccurate, simplified thrust structure (spherical tanks are molded into the structure as round "bumps") and simple looking J2 engine as the pre-build. Its also missing some key "bits" on the outside of the aft section, most notably the two pointed Ullage Retro Rockets. At least it includes the 2 APS thruster housings. Because the outside of the stage is so generic, it would be *very* easy to scratch build it into a Skylab workshop. The Instrument Unit is basically a featureless blank ring molded as part of the bottom half of the SLA as in most other Saturn V kits. I don't know if the ribbed ring that sits between the SIVB and the SLA/IU is considered by Dragons wizards as the IU or even if it's supposed to be used. I'll have to measure the stage to see if it adds or completes to the proper length of the stage.

  • There are no photo etched SM antenna parts as usually included with the various Apollo CSM/LM kits.

  • Decals are rudimentary for the Saturn V. Basically you get the Fin ABCD marks, I, II, III, III 1st stage locators, Flag, USA and United States markings for the 1st and 2nd stages, and the standard Apollo CSM/LM decals. Interestingly, the LM window and flag decals are printed on a small white paper sheet, perhaps enforcing the thought that including an LM was a last minute decision.

  • Various accuracy issues with the Apollo spacecraft, especially the LM has been beaten to death so I won't rehash them here.
Summarizing, this kit is all about size, not accuracy. I'd place the accuracy and detail on a par with and maybe even below the 1/144 Airfix or Monogram kits. IMO, the Revell 1/96 kit remains the overall best kit of this subject. Quite frankly, the 3 stages are almost featureless tubes that are ideal for adding as much detail parts as one wants with a minimal amount of reworking the kit's exterior stage body parts. I think there is a lot of opportunity for super detailing for the scratch builders among us which includes almost unlimited after market parts if someone eventually makes them — starting with something similar to the Neware 1/96 multi-media detail kit in the larger 1/72 scale and the new 1/72 decal set (which will be sold through CultTVman) to fully revamped engines for all three stages all the way to meticulously re-doing the SII and SIVB thrust structures pretty much from scratch and even scratch building an Instrument Unit!

There is no way a really decent multi-media upgrade set will cost under $200, and if Neware goes all our and provides new F1 and J2 engines which this kit sorely needs, I'd guess $350 minimum.

Here are photos of the parts from the big 1/72 Dragon Saturn V kit. Up on more exploration, I found a few more... Interesting things.

There's clearly more fun (or hair pulling) to be had, but check out the photos for yourself.

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I just put my Saturn V in the Deltof case without the base. I did not need to make a smaller base as the rocket stands okay in the case.

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Well, I had been thinking of getting this kit, but I am convinced now to pass. The cost is too much for the accuracy but the biggest issue is size. I barely have room for my modified Revell 1/96th Saturn V and my 1/350th USS Enterprise!

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Does the kit repeat the error of the pre-painted version with regards to the corrugations on the SIVB third stage?

EDIT: never mind, I mistakenly remembered the 4D Vision 1/100 Saturn V kit.

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Originally posted by cspg:
Add three more months and you might get it.
And another three more months, moved to September according to the Flying Mule.

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posted 05-16-2013 01:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jay Chladek   Click Here to Email Jay Chladek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I acquired my Dragon Saturn V kit yesterday. Wow, it is HUGE! I won't go into the accuracy issues all that much here except to say that for anyone who has done space models for awhile knows that accurization work is usually part of the game. It is an understood evil. I've seen some very well done kits of spacecraft, but I've never come across a styrene kit that is completely accurate, especially for manned spacecraft and rocket launchers.

Given my own background, I can work with what I see. Most of what seems to be the accuracy problems seems to be more a lack of detail as opposed to outright wrong detail. I like that as it means I can spend more time adding stuff rather than removing what was wrong first and relocating it.

I really like the fact that Dragon decided to offer not only the SLA, but also the BPC in clear. That will make for a very nice touch as I can paint it half and half so the silver taped exterior of the CM can show through the white BPC in order to help point out that YES, they are two different things.

I paid about $135 for mine at a local hobby shop that got it in for me. Compared to spending over 200 for a pre-build and having to spend time taking it apart, fixing what was wrong and doing a full repaint in the process, this is a relative bargain. So now I can build the Saturn V I've always wanted in a scale to rival my own physical size.

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I've been wanting one of these for a long time and have been working on a little project of my own with this rocket.

I have to say I'm really pleased with the display I now have.

I will upload some pics as soon as I can.

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I now have Dragon’s 1/72nd scale Saturn V, and here are my impressions. Molded in Dragon's usual light grey, the kit is by far the most accurate Saturn V kit out of the box. The parts of the rocket that have external corrugations or ribbing are slide-molded, allowing much better definition. As a kit, it more readily facilitates corrections and additions than the pre-built version, has more detail, and as it requires painting and decaling, you're more likely to get it done the way you want.

No kit is perfect, including this one, and while Dragon has reproduced nearly all the visible detail on the three rocket stages, they left off some details, possibly the result of simplifications to the original pre-assembled model. Their earlier space kits exhibit the same symptoms. Many will want to add details like the EVA light missing from the Command Module, the RTG for the LM descent stage, the four separation rockets at the S-II to S-IVB adapter, and perhaps drill out and replace the molded-on S-IVB helium tanks with spheres. All this depends on how much you choose to make visible and how you plan to display the finished model.

The five F-1 engines are usually shown "bare," as does Dragon. They are slide-molded, as are the smaller J-2s, and well detailed. On the actual Saturns the F-1s were wrapped with insulation to help control the heat load from the other engines; many will sacrifice some accuracy and not cover up the detail. Adding plumbing from solder and wire will make a big difference in this scale, as will adding internal inter-stage details like piping, junction boxes, and the computer and control components in the Instrument Unit, visible when the LM is removed.

It seems that the kit provides most of the parts from their earlier 1/72nd scale Apollo 10 kit, including the Launch Escape System with a transparent boost protective cover, a clear LM adapter section to show as much of the LM as desired, and the full LM and CSM with all markings. The metal antenna dishes for the SM are omitted, as they are in the Apollo 10 kit. These would be visible only if the adapter stage were left completely clear, or if the CSM were removed for separate display. I plan to leave only one segment of the LM adapter clear, the quadrant opposite the antennas. All the stages can be fixed together, left separate or disassembled for examination as desired.

The kit comes with a full set of reasonably accurate markings. A stable circular base with an aluminum support tube is provided to allow it to be freestanding on the floor, for most of us about the only place it will fit. Even the average mantelpiece will likely not be long enough to display it JSC-style. A quick build out of the box, you could easily spend two or three hundred hours detailing it out. Seeing what others have done with the old Revell 1/96th scale kit, I expect there will be some spectacular museum-quality displays before long. It will be interesting to see what the after-market firms do with this.

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posted 05-18-2013 01:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for the clocks running   Click Here to Email the clocks running     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks to everyone that has purchased the Dragon 1/72 scale Saturn V kit and described it. If possible, please post some photos of the unassembled kit.

I plan on purchasing the kit next week but am going to wait to assemble the model because I am very interested in purchasing an extensive mod kit.

I have a feeling that the mod kits may be two to three times the cost of the actual Dragon model kit!


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