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posted 02-09-2012 04:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fexturbjet   Click Here to Email Fexturbjet     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by cycleroadie:
The spotlights are actually done via a second set of DIODER LEDs.
Could you do some close-ups of the bottom spotlights? They almost look like the ones I mounted to the top underside of one of my Detolfs.

I was actually thinking of using a dollhouse style spotlight but those are only 12 volts. Would be cool to have something of a miniature squared off spotlight at the bottom.

As for the LUT, have seen the site and yes it looks very cool. Spoke with the fellow about this and he has planned to do a 1/72 of the LUT.

Only question is this, do end up having to cut out the top to accommodate the additional height? Still waiting for the delivery. All pics posted then... hate waiting.

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posted 02-09-2012 05:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cycleroadie   Click Here to Email cycleroadie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am not home to get that right now, but they were very thin, maybe an eighth of an inch or so, about two inches in diameter, nine LEDs in them. You could do this with any round LED pots really.

This is the kit: DIODER Multipurpose lighting

On the LUT, it will be too tall for the Detolf by quite a bit.

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posted 02-12-2012 06:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fexturbjet   Click Here to Email Fexturbjet     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Got back home for the night between flights this week and the "big box" was there at home. Didn't have time to build it to final assembly but did mock assemble it. Was able to separate the CM adapter easily enough. Small amount of glue or maybe paint as mentioned is all that holds it together.

Found the inner orange tank ends for two of the stages came loose but are easy enough to glue back (if there is a desire to display horizontally like the real thing). Seems to have all the engines included. Model does look cool and lets face it, who among you Saturn V lovers wouldn't want a 600 lb gorilla to show off?

Given some of the inner details, makes me think of buying another for horizontal display. Detolf on either side and a mid level shelf to display another between the two horizontally is an idea.

Got the four LED strips and the four pack Dioder low profile LED's. Like the idea of using them at an angle at the bottom to shine up to the rocket.

As for the LUT, waiting a month for the 1/72 from the guy on eBay to have them available. As for size, might have to cut the top panel to accommodate, still thinking about options.

Quick question for those guys who are swapping the top with the Apollo 10 CM/LM clear display: was that a model kit or a die cast version? Model number if you have it would be great.

Any thoughts of which Dragon versions would be best or even possible to combine with this? Any other ideas on good additional IKEA cases to go with the Detolf? Thanks to all of the guys with pictures and ideas.

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posted 02-18-2012 08:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PeterO   Click Here to Email PeterO     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Fexturbjet:
Quick question for those guys who are swapping the top with the Apollo 10 CM/LM clear display: was that a model kit or a die cast version? Model number if you have it would be great.
The Apollo 10 set is available both as catalog #50380 pre-built with diecast SM shell, and as catalog #11003 model kit with a plastic SM. The only differences are the shell of the SM, and the docking probe, which are plastic in the kit. Neither version has the S-band antenna, which I stole from my Apollo 7 diecast and modified to represent the stowed configuration.

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posted 02-20-2012 09:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for garyd2831   Click Here to Email garyd2831     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I see this model is sold out everywhere. It even states that it is discontinued on Flying Mule. I kind of wish I purchased a second one for the Skylab conversion.

Do you think more will be produced?

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posted 02-20-2012 09:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for cspg   Click Here to Email cspg     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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It even states that it is discontinued on Flying Mule.
Model #50380 is available from the Flying Mule.

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posted 02-20-2012 10:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for garyd2831   Click Here to Email garyd2831     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I meant the Saturn V is sold out and listed as discontinued, not the Apollo 10 setup.

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I have from Dragon that they intend to re-issue the kit later in the year unassembled. This means we can a better job at it than they did.

I have been doing some scale measuring of the Saturn V model and Dragon has got it incorrect with the SLA and the Instrument Unit. Those people that want to add the LEM to the kit would be advised to get the Dragon kit with the CSM and SLA without the black section at the bottom or remove it from the kit.

This is in fact part of the Top Skirt which they included in their separate kit and used this by mistake I think. Dragon has made the error of including it in the kit which is incorrect as it is there molded in the third stage already supplied.

The Saturn V measures out correctly with the extra piece removed. I have measured it against the official NASA dimensions of the Saturn V using the stations measurements as reference. What you will need to do is mask and paint the bottom section of the SLA black but do not paint the dog tooth hinge section, mask the top section to a straight line.

I hope all this makes sense to someone and on a lighter note I cut down my base supplied in the kit and the Saturn V fits in the Ikea display case perfectly. No custom base required. Just measure 0.25 inch below the top and mask with 0.25 inch masking tape. Scribe the line until you cut through and then lightly sand the bottom level and you’re done. Photo enclosed.

Hope this info helps someone out. More to come as I rework the kit.

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posted 02-20-2012 12:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for apolloprojeckt   Click Here to Email apolloprojeckt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The weather was nice weather outside to spray, temperature above 5 degrees Celsius is needed to spray with spray cans, so today the top of Skylab in the paint sprayed, tomorrow the third stage masking and then spraying the Skylab and upgrade ready.

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Your Skylab conversion is looking good. I am working on resin parts for this and the Saturn V that Dragon forgot to include in their kit. Nice paintwork also on the shroud.

You know, they will release the Saturn V later in the year as an unassembled kit? Dragon gave me the information last week.

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posted 02-20-2012 05:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for robert_l   Click Here to Email robert_l     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by garyd2831:
I meant the Saturn V is sold out and listed as discontinued, not the Apollo 10 setup.
This is bad news that it sold out. I had ordered one and they where still waiting delivery. It was supposed to be available January. Checking the German site, it's pre-order, does this mean we won't see this in Europe?

I thought this was too good to be true, having a giant Saturn V. The kit version is no use to me, as I am hopeless at making models.

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posted 02-20-2012 10:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cunumdrum61   Click Here to Email Cunumdrum61     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
When the unassembled kit hits our shops I will gladly sell you one of my built up ones at half price! Will that help you out?

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posted 02-21-2012 01:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jay Chladek   Click Here to Email Jay Chladek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I knew it was only a matter of time before Dragon gave official word on doing an unbuilt kit version of the Saturn V. Hearing confirmation is a pretty dang good thing though.

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Will that help you out?
Yes, thanks if I can't get one, I will buy one from you!

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posted 02-21-2012 06:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for history in miniature   Click Here to Email history in miniature     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Pascal, your Skylab conversion is beautiful.

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posted 02-21-2012 06:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mike Dixon   Click Here to Email Mike Dixon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Cunumdrum61:
When the unassembled kit hits our shops I will gladly sell you one of my built up ones at half price! Will that help you out?
Could you please contact me?

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I sent you an email, Cheers.

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posted 02-26-2012 05:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for freshspot   Click Here to Email freshspot     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you to apolloprojeckt, oldbru, and Larry McGlynn. After reading this thread, I got my model, swapped out the CSM for the Apollo 10 one by following the directions here, then put the model into the IKEA cabinet with the black backing and LED light set.

It looks stunning. And it was this group coming together to share ideas that made it happen because there is no way I would have known about the model or thought about display without this group. Thank you.

Dave Scott (not the astronaut)
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Looks pretty darn good in the cabinet with the lights and the black backing, doesn't it. The model needs work to be completely accurate but it is a very good starting point for those that do not have the time or can not scratchbuild one in this scale.

Enjoy your Saturn V.

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posted 02-29-2012 11:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Norman.King   Click Here to Email Norman.King     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Does anyone have a definitive answer if the pre-built model (now sold out) is discontinued or not? Thanks.

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Dragon still list it on their website so I would think not as yet. I have been told the unassembled kit of the Saturn V will be released in about three months time.

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I believe that Dragon is going to ship more of these models. The Flying Mule is expecting more 1/72 Saturn V models soon.

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posted 03-01-2012 04:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Norman.King   Click Here to Email Norman.King     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Heads up for any UK cS members looking for this model. I bought one on eBay.co.uk last night (shipped today) and there were two left.

A little more expensive at £224 including shipping but if you want one check it out.

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posted 03-01-2012 06:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cycleroadie   Click Here to Email cycleroadie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
David Maier's (EDU-Craft Diversions) heavy paper model kit of the Launch Umbilical Tower (LUT) and Mobile Launcher Platform in 1:72 scale is now available (see his listings on eBay under the ID d-condave).

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Thanks for the heads up. I just ordered one and will use it along with the NASA plans to build it from plastic. I have seen one of his LUTs built up and with careful work it can look really great.

It is a pity Launch Complex Models never continued and released everything that they had promised. Their stuff was really good.

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I considered mailing the third stage/adapter section to Novaspace to get signed by Mike Collins but for some reason the logic part of my brain kicked in. I don't need to start yet another multi-signed... anything.

I really like the model more and more. For the price/quality ratio, I'm happy.

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I am working on new decals for the Dragon Saturn V if you feel like repainting it. They are dry transfers. Then I will work on the resin pieces and umbilicals that are missing on the kit.

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I am very interested in a mod kit for the 1/72 Saturn V kit when it comes out. It is coming I hope?

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Yes, I am working on the new decals now and hope to have them ready for the printer in about a week.I have the sep rockets done for the Saturn V and a few other pieces. I have just started drawing up the umbilical panels etc. I am hoping to do them in photoetch which will be more expensive but I think more accurate. I'm sorry but I can not give you a definate date as to when they will be ready. I will post them here when they are done though.

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Count me in as interested as well. Good choice on using photo etch - will definitely look better.

Has anyone put together a collated list of all the inaccuracies and/or missing features on this model? It would be helpful to have them all in one place for easy reference.

I have reasonably good modeling skills, but I don't know of an easy way to mask off the stringer ("corrugated") sections needed to reprint and correct the overspray problem. Anyone have any brilliant solutions?

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The best way to overcome the black paint bleeding under the masking tape is once you have masked it seal it really good with a something blunt such as a Popsicle stick. Then the trick is to first spray a light coat of clear flat varnish or sealer and wait for that to flash off. Then spray your black. The clear will seal the tape and prevent bleed through onto the white paint behind. It works for me.

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Maybe a tip: use primer before the black block painting otherwise sure it will come off. There is also a other option for people how not have the scale to painting, there is in hobby craft shop's flat black A4 sticker sheets. It's very thin and with a hobby knife and ruler the work is easy.

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It depends on the paint that you use. I never use a primer on a standard kit as I think it is one extra coat of paint that only hides the detail. If I am working in different materials and will.

I use normal hobby paint such as Floquil or the Tamiya synthetic lacquers that I decant from their spray cans and then push it through and airbrush. I always use lacquer thinner with my paints and they dry fast and do not peel or pull up with tape.

Tamiya lacquers do not harm plastic at all and you can use their thinner to clean plastic before you paint.

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I have found the best way to keep black from bleeding or under spray, is to first to outline the area to be painted first with a fine tip black magic marker (on the painted side) using masking tape as a guide (on non-painted side). Then using liquid mask brush a wide band up to the marker line (on the non-painted side).

Once this has dried, apply masking tape on the non-painted side as close to the marker line as possible (you will need to mask off the other areas that you don't want paint on also), if done carefully, this will keep under spray off the side you don't want paint on and give you a nice crisp line (the eye won't be able to see the marker).

This works really well in corrugated areas.

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Use Tamiya masking tape. You will experience absolutely no bleeding at all. If it is to be placed over an irregular surface, spray a little clear over the tape to seal it but with Tamiya tape, this is never really needed.

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ModelZone in UK now has it in stock. Ordered it last night, it's on it's way.

Will now get the Ikea display case and the Airfix 1/72 LEM to put in the adapter section.

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I just received my 1/72 Dragon Saturn V two days ago. It is almost as tall as my wife but I am smart enough not to post that photo.

Here is a photo of my Saturn V in my basement next to an Apollo 13 flight plan and Apollo MLP heavy duty liftoff switch.

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Here is a photo of my Saturn V in my basement next to an Apollo 13 flight plan and Apollo MLP heavy duty liftoff switch.
Looks great there with the other display. May I ask what suit that is in the background? Is it a David Clark high altitude suit? I have a David Clark S1030 high altitude suit in my collection only mine is orange.

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Joe, beautiful! Is there a way to view a larger image - the Photobucket image is very small.

Can you give us some details on the stand beside the model? Thank you.

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The orange suit is a Dave Clark CSK-6/P22s-2. I have the silver outer suit also.

The display case is one I picked up at a furniture store here in Spokane several years ago.

Normally there is a CM LIOH canister signed by Buzz Aldrin and a cluster of RCS thrusters in the open shelves. I was out talking to a couple of elementary schools yesterday and did not get the items put away when I took the photo.

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