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apolloprojeckt
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posted 02-01-2012 12:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for apolloprojeckt   Click Here to Email apolloprojeckt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by garymilgrom:
Here's mine beside the 1/72 Monogram Shuttle stack.
Ah, it's done I see, and Gary was it easy to snap it together?

garymilgrom
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posted 02-01-2012 12:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for garymilgrom   Click Here to Email garymilgrom     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The first stage engines were difficult to snap in until you rocked them back and forth so all of the part fit into the socket. Don't forget to do the center engine first.

After all it's not every day you install a set of F-1 engines!

The rest of the model was easy to snap together. It's not too sturdy, I would build it near where you're going to display it.

Mine was delivered without the engines for the second stage but that doesn't matter to me or the way it's displayed.

cycleroadie
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posted 02-01-2012 01:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cycleroadie   Click Here to Email cycleroadie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Assembly: Like Gary said the 1st stage engines are tedious to get in, but you'll figure it out. The four fins also required a little working back and forth to get them flush. I put a dab of glue on the second stage engines as they were too easily dropped out, same with the SIVB engine. I'll post pics in a few days, working out my display stand and the case now.

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posted 02-01-2012 01:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by garymilgrom:
Mine was delivered without the engines for the second stage but that doesn't matter to me or the way it's displayed.
If you contact Dragon Care, you should be able to receive the missing engines.

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posted 02-01-2012 03:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for glcanon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My UPS guy didn't have any problems. Big box, but it's light.

Frankly, I don't see why they're allowed to call it diecast which implies metal. But I understand using plastic keeps the price down, same with substituting a plastic CSM.

After Gary said he didn't receive second stage engines, I opened mine to be safe (I'm in the process of relocating so it will go right back in the box).

Where the halves are glued together, it will need some work. I guess the painters never could figure out a way to tape off the corrugated panels so there was no over-spray, you can see it baffled them.

A detailer could spend weeks or more on this, but unless he builds a stand to display it in pieces, all his work will be invisible. Thus I'll be spending on time only on the exterior and F-1s.

I think I'll eventually purchase several Ikea Detolf glass cases like Mike showed us; they match my existing Ikea cabinets which were discontinued; they're not the same height, but I can set them up on opposite sides of the room.

I have the Bandai shuttle, but I'm doubtful Dragon would do anything so detailed. I have all the 1/72 scale shuttle kits but I've been waiting for someone to do one and save me the trouble. I'll wait two more years before I start.

With a few exceptions, almost everything I have is 1/72 scale, so this works nicely. One day I'll get around to building my 1/72 B-1 and B-2 bombers, not sure how I'll display them though, wingspan issues.

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posted 02-02-2012 12:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Oldbru     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by garymilgrom:
Here's mine beside the 1/72 Monogram Shuttle stack.
Sure would be nice if Dragon did the shuttle stack in 1/72. It looks to me like the shuttle stack would also fit in an Ikea case, just having to remove the bottom shelf of the three glass shelves to make it fit.

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posted 02-02-2012 01:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mode1charlie   Click Here to Email mode1charlie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just got mine. There is definitely an overspray issue (not terrible for anyone still trying to decide whether or not to get it, but it's there).

One question. I haven't futzed around with it much as I don't have the space to display it at the moment, but as I will want to replace the CSM with the Apollo 10, I looked at the LM Adapter and ring above the IU to figure out where it should be separated. I gave it a cursory tug, but it appears to be glued in there pretty good. Any suggestions on how to separate those two without breaking something? Or am I alone in finding it tricky?

The F-1s are alright but definitely could use a little more detail (maybe I'm just spoiled by the Accurate Models' 1:20 scale version). Anyone who can whip up some aftermarket details (any 3D printing whizzes out there?) would get a fair price from me - and I bet there are others...

Overall, though, it's pretty good and I'm happy with it.

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posted 02-02-2012 07:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for garymilgrom   Click Here to Email garymilgrom     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think this model is being unfairly criticized. I have some expensive (over $1,000) models from the best model makers, and they all have some flaws compared to the actual vehicles.

The size of this model means you're going to view it from a fair distance. It looks great from 5 feet away — a Saturn V almost as tall as me, in my living room, for $220 including delivery? That's a fantastic value — white fins, overspray and all (I did not even notice the overspray issue on mine).

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posted 02-02-2012 08:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for glcanon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by mode1charlie:
Any suggestions on how to separate those two without breaking something?
Just stick 3 or 4 fingers in the smaller hole at top and rotate the assembly around as you gently pull 90 degrees from vertical plain. You'll hear popping.

When it finally separates it will pop loose and surprise you. There were only three tiny spots holding it on, which looked more like paint spots than glue spots. Wouldn't surprise me if those three paint spots were all that was holding it together.

From 5 to 6 feet away, it is hard to discern the flaws, so it passes the 5 foot rule. If you have it in a case, it will keep people back far enough not to notice most.

GACspaceguy
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posted 02-02-2012 09:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GACspaceguy   Click Here to Email GACspaceguy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by garymilgrom:
It looks great from 5 feet away — a Saturn V almost as tall as me, in my living room, for $220 including delivery? That's a fantastic value — white fins, overspray and all (I did not even notice the overspray issue on mine).
I agree with Gary, for this price point it is a wonderful model. I find it strange that they did not mold the fins silver but as they came loose it is an easy fix. Well easy for me as Jackie is in the process of painting them and making new decals.

I have no over spray and try as I may, the SLA will not break loose. That is fine by me as I have other display plans rather than the Apollo 10 replacement.

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posted 02-02-2012 07:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for glcanon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Oldbru:
Here is a pic showing the newly added LED lighting.
Would you be so kind as to advise the diameter of your wooden base, and the internal dimensions of the Ikea Detolf (not height, but glass to glass measurement, looks like around 15" inches). Thanks in advance!

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Saturn Vs in various scales: 1/200 [common wood model], 1/144 [the pre-built one with flexible escape tower], 1/100 [4D], 1/72 [Dragon] with a couple of steps to go.

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Interesting factoid: You can fit the boxes for almost all the other Dragon "Space Collection" models released to date in the shipping box for the 1:72 Saturn V.

Here's a quick shot of assembled model...

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posted 02-02-2012 10:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Oldbru     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by glcanon:
Would you be so kind as to advise the diameter of your wooden base, and the internal dimensions of the Ikea Detolf (not height, but glass to glass measurement, looks like around 15" inches).
The case is 15 1/4" wide and 13 1/2" deep, glass to glass. My base I used is 10" wide, 3/4" thick.

glcanon
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posted 02-02-2012 11:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for glcanon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Is your base round or oval? This closeup of your base makes it kinda look oval:

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posted 02-03-2012 09:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Oldbru     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The base is oval and measures about 7" front to back.

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posted 02-03-2012 05:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cycleroadie   Click Here to Email cycleroadie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
OK, here's where I am, I made the base and laminated an Apollo 11 patch on it.

Pic before drilling the hole for the mount:

Now I need to put a background in the back of the case to kill the reflection, but you don;t see it if you are standing there looking at it:

Norman.King
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posted 02-03-2012 09:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Norman.King   Click Here to Email Norman.King     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Does anyone know the quantity Dragon intends to produce of this model?

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posted 02-04-2012 10:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for apolloprojeckt   Click Here to Email apolloprojeckt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The cones for the Saturn V are ready for paint and than we have the Saturn V Skylab version.

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posted 02-04-2012 12:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tetrox   Click Here to Email tetrox     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The shrouds look great, are they available to order from you?

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posted 02-04-2012 01:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for apolloprojeckt   Click Here to Email apolloprojeckt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have sent you an email. For others, use the size of the shroud of the Saturn Skylab 1/144 kit from Airfix, go to a local CNC worker and let them make it. Let the CNC worker see the three stages of the 1/72 Saturn v for the right size adapter ring. It's below a little smaller.

Normal cost for this work, material and CNC work is $60 to $90 dollars. The price for aluminum or plastic is almost the same I found out.

Jay Chladek
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posted 02-04-2012 02:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jay Chladek   Click Here to Email Jay Chladek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just hope that CNC'ed Skylab shroud doesn't fall off, because if it is as heavy as I think it is, it could flatten that Delorean diecast sitting behind it.

apolloprojeckt
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posted 02-04-2012 02:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for apolloprojeckt   Click Here to Email apolloprojeckt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jay, the aluminum shroud is 125 grams heavier than Dragon's 1/72 Apollo 10 CSM, LM and LES.

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I did paint the fins stainless steel, they were easy since they came separate, I didn't do any other detailing as I haven't done any scale model work in many years.

It's a good piece for the money I think, yes there are more details they could do, but unless you want to pay a lot more, I don't think you could expect it.

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Yea, I was hoping for a Skylab shroud to be produced. I would like to purchase a shroud when possible.

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posted 02-04-2012 06:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for robert_l   Click Here to Email robert_l     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Have ordered mine, they are still awaiting delivery. I can also get the Ikea cases in the UK, only £39. I plan to buy two, one for Saturn V and the other one for other Dragon space models. I am planing to build up a collection, next up Apollo 7!

Thanks to collectSPACE I found out about these space models.

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Since the Skylab shroud has already been programmed into their machines, maybe the suppliers would be interested in sales from this site? No sense in re-inventing the wheel for everyone that wants a Skylab version...

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Here is me with my Saturn V. I am 5'4" for those that don't have it, it will give you an idea as to how big this sucker is.

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If only Dragon would produce a 1:72 N1 to put right beside it. THAT would be an awesome display.

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Have ordered mine, they are still awaiting delivery.
Where did you order yours from and what was the price?

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Saw the spotlights in the Detolf case shining on the Saturn V. Where did you get those from?

Already bought two Detolf cases and the LEDs in anticipation of the delivery of my Saturn V. Also got a Dioder LED set of four low profile LED lights that I will install with the two sided stickies to the top of one of the cases.

Would like to know where the "black" background material came from as well as I would like to cut a piece the size of the top of the case so I can install it on the bottom underside of the top to hide the wires.

As soon as I can get some and post pictures I will.

The fellow who got the idea for the Ikea cases, simply brilliant. This is going to be a standard for anybody showing off these rockets.

Has anybody thought of using the hard paper LUT in this case as of yet or has anybody even built one of these LUTs? I am considering it if it is truly that detailed like some pictures show.

Could be an issue based on the platform height. Any thoughts or input would be appreciated.

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posted 02-07-2012 11:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for alexbaja   Click Here to Email alexbaja     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Now I need to put a background in the back of the case to kill the reflection, but you don't see it if you are standing there looking at it.
First of all I would like to congratulate you for the display.

My little suggestion is that if you can fit a Dimer switch to those LED lights you will be able to adjust according to the mood. I did that with all my models and believe me the atmosphere you can create is out of this world.

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Saw the spotlights in the Detolf case shining on the Saturn V. Where did you get those from?
The spotlights are actually done via a second set of DIODER LEDs, I bought two sets, one with the nine led strips, the other has four, nine led round slim pots. I then combined two strips and two round units to light the case.

I mounted them to pieces of PVC cut at an angle and ran the cords down through the PVC and out a hole I drilled in the case bottom. I have a corner hutch full of other modes that I used the remaining dioder pieces to illuminate.

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You guys should see if this guy can change the scale of the tower from 1:70 to 1:72 and put the Dragon Saturn V on it.

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Would like to know where the "black" background material came from
The black background is a 24x36 inch sheet of black foam core board from Michael's craft store. I cut it in half to get 2 12x36 inch pieces, then taped them together from the back.

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The newest addition to my collection from The Flying Mule. I had a great experience shopping with them!

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Where did you order yours from and what was the price?
I orderd it from Aviation Retail Direct it cost £189 they are still awaiting delivery and when they get it will advise me of shipping charge.

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The newest addition to my collection...
That's a beautiful display of Apollo models. I really like how you have the cutaway Saturn beside the real thing (uh....).

Maybe the 1/72 Saturn could be turned into a decanter to support your reading material - a spigot in each stage for different vintages?

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Originally posted by SuperKungFu:
You guys should see if this guy can change the scale of the tower from 1:70 to 1:72 and put the Dragon Saturn V on it.
I've already had this discussion a few months ago with him. Mine is already "ordered"!

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posted 02-08-2012 06:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GACspaceguy   Click Here to Email GACspaceguy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We have completed or display of this wonderful model. You can see it here.


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