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Topic: [ISS] Year-long expedition on the space station
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Hart Sastrowardoyo Member Posts: 1916 From: Toms River, NJ,USA Registered: Aug 2000
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posted 08-22-2012 09:59 AM
According to Interfax, Peggy Whitson is to make a one-year International Space Station mission. Any other sources confirm or deny this? In 2015, Russia and the US will send their cosmonaut and astronaut respectively to the International Space Station (ISS) with one-year mission.A source with the Russian space agency told Interfax that the long expedition would make it possible to have vacant seats in the Soyuz spacecraft, which would continue to fly regularly to the ISS four times a year. The free seats would be sold to space tourists, the source said. NASA has already chosen Peggy Whitson, who completed two space missions and made six spacewalks, as the astronaut for the 12-month mission in 2015. The Russian space agency has not chosen the cosmonaut for this mission yet. |
Robert Pearlman Editor Posts: 26095 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 08-22-2012 10:06 AM
There have been reports about this proposed one-year expedition circulating for several weeks (before the confirmation that Whitson had stepped down as Chief Astronaut), but the Russian reports may be premature as any such flight seems to still be in the early planning stages. According to a NASA spokesperson today, "at this point we are exploring our options" but nothing specific has been decided. "The content [of future missions] is being discussed." |
OV-105 Member Posts: 581 From: Ridgecrest, CA USA Registered: Sep 2000
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posted 08-22-2012 07:38 PM
I wonder if they would be FE's or split the command of ISS 6 months each. |
dabolton Member Posts: 179 From: Round Lake, IL, US Registered: Jan 2009
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posted 08-22-2012 09:35 PM
By the time she returns, it may be on a commercial vehicle or Orion. |
Jay Chladek Member Posts: 2159 From: Bellevue, NE, USA Registered: Aug 2007
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posted 08-26-2012 12:09 AM
The Russians did the one year mission with two cosmonauts on Salyut and both Polyakov and Avdeyev have spent longer than a year in orbit (Polyakov's record being 437 days). Polyakov was also a medical doctor. I read that the reason why the Russians sent him up to set the record is the Americans were supposedly considering it on the ISS (his mission took place right around the earliest Shuttle Mir flights). So Russia wanted to set another space first.Granted, scientific data gathering on orbit has advanced a bit, so I imagine if Whitson or someone else were to do a year long duration, they would likely be gathering data in a few more areas than what came before and given Whitson's background in bio-medical science, she could be the ultimate researcher/guinea pig as it were. There are also the unique aspects of female anatomy as well. If she does this, it will reinforce to me that her choice to serve as chief astronaut for the past few years was a good one as it means she is willing to take the big risks along side her astronaut office colleagues as opposed to just assigning the mission to someone else. |
PowerCat Member Posts: 148 From: Herington, KS, USA Registered: Feb 2006
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posted 08-29-2012 05:33 AM
Not sure but under the current format, a member of the year long crew would be a member of possibly four expedition crews? Boy that will be fun for patch designs and crew photos... Photoshop will be busy.  |
Hart Sastrowardoyo Member Posts: 1916 From: Toms River, NJ,USA Registered: Aug 2000
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posted 08-29-2012 06:44 AM
James Oberg notes "sources familiar with NASA's plans say the preparations for such a mission are much more advanced than this description suggests. Specific mission dates and crew candidates are already being assessed. The sources discussed the plans on condition of anonymity because they were not yet due to be announced publicly." |
music_space Member Posts: 1048 From: Canada Registered: Jul 2001
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posted 08-29-2012 09:09 AM
If the equation really is "one-year terms vs space tourists", isn't there a potential to once again antagonize professionals towards spaceflight participants? |
Robert Pearlman Editor Posts: 26095 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 10-03-2012 08:55 AM
Aviation Week reports that the "fundamental decision" to proceed with a one-year expedition was made at the International Astronautical Congress in Naples, Italy, this week. The first year-long mission to the International Space Station may begin in March 2015, following an agreement between ISS partners who have previously sent crews for six months, the Russian space agency director said Oct. 2.Alexei Krasnov, in charge of manned flights at Roscosmos, said the decision was made by participants at the International Astronautical Congress in Naples, Italy, this week. The two-person expedition - with crew members from Roscosmos and NASA - will be a first test, the result of which will determine whether all flights are extended to a year, he said. "The fundamental decision has been made, only the formalities remain to be negotiated. So far, we are talking about a single mission," Krasnov told RIA news agency. "If it proves effective, we will be able to discuss with partner countries a permanent transition from half-year flights to year-long flights." |
Robert Pearlman Editor Posts: 26095 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 10-05-2012 03:32 PM
NASA release NASA and International Partners Approve Year-Long Space Station StayNASA and its international partners have announced an agreement to send two crew members to the International Space Station on a one-year mission designed to collect valuable scientific data needed to send humans to new destinations in the solar system. The crew members, one American astronaut and one Russian cosmonaut, will launch and land in a Russian Soyuz spacecraft and are scheduled to begin their voyage in spring 2015. The space station serves as a laboratory for technological demonstrations and scientific research, including experiments that improve understanding of how the human body reacts and adapts to the harsh environment of space. Data from a year-long expedition also will help inform assumptions about crew performance and health, and will help reduce the risks associated with future exploration. "In order for us to eventually move beyond low Earth orbit, we need to better understand how humans adapt to long-term spaceflight," said Michael Suffredini, International Space Station program manager. "The space station serves as a vital scientific resource for teaching us those lessons, and this yearlong expedition aboard the complex will help us move closer to those journeys." During the 12 years of permanent human presence aboard the space station, scientists and researchers have gained valuable, and often surprising, data on the effects of microgravity on bone density, muscle mass, strength, vision and other aspects of human physiology. This year-long stay will allow for greater analysis of these effects and trends. "We have gained new knowledge about the effects of spaceflight on the human body from the scientific research conducted on the space station, and it is the perfect time to test a one-year expedition aboard the orbital laboratory," said Julie Robinson, NASA's program scientist for the International Space Station. "What we will gain from this expedition will influence the way we structure our human research plans in the future." The expedition also will serve as a test bed for future exploration technologies. Those innovative technologies, the logistics of the trip to and from the space station and the selection of the crew will be announced at a future time. |
Robonaut Member Posts: 216 From: Solihull, West Mids, England Registered: Mar 2002
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posted 11-26-2012 06:38 AM
NASA have confirmed that Mikhail Kornienko and Scott Kelly have been chosen to train for the year-long flight. Therefore the rumours of whom were going to get selected were incorrect. Perhaps Peggy Whitson will get another normal expedition? |
Robert Pearlman Editor Posts: 26095 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 11-26-2012 06:42 AM
NASA release NASA, Roscosmos assign veteran crew to year-long space station missionNASA, the Russian Federal Space Agency (Roscosmos), and their international partners have selected two veteran spacefarers for a one-year mission aboard the International Space Station in 2015. This mission will include collecting scientific data important to future human exploration of our solar system. NASA has selected Scott Kelly and Roscosmos has chosen Mikhail Kornienko. Kelly and Kornienko will launch aboard a Russian Soyuz spacecraft from the Baikonur Cosmodrome in Kazakhstan in spring 2015 and will land in Kazakhstan in spring 2016. Kelly and Kornienko already have a connection; Kelly was a backup crew member for the station's Expedition 23/24 crews, where Kornienko served as a flight engineer. The goal of their yearlong expedition aboard the orbiting laboratory is to understand better how the human body reacts and adapts to the harsh environment of space. Data from the 12-month expedition will help inform current assessments of crew performance and health and will determine better and validate countermeasures to reduce the risks associated with future exploration as NASA plans for missions around the moon, an asteroid and ultimately Mars. "Congratulations to Scott and Mikhail on their selection for this important mission," said William Gerstenmaier, associate administrator for Human Exploration and Operations at NASA Headquarters in Washington. "Their skills and previous experience aboard the space station align with the mission's requirements. The one-year increment will expand the bounds of how we live and work in space and will increase our knowledge regarding the effects of microgravity on humans as we prepare for future missions beyond low-Earth orbit." "Selection of the candidate for the one year mission was thorough and difficult due to the number of suitable candidates from the Cosmonaut corps," said head of Russian Federal Space Agency, Vladimir Popovkin. "We have chosen the most responsible, skilled and enthusiastic crew members to expand space exploration, and we have full confidence in them." Kelly, a captain in the U.S. Navy, is from Orange, N.J. He has degrees from the State University of New York Maritime College and the University of Tennessee, Knoxville. He served as a pilot on space shuttle mission STS-103 in 1999, commander on STS-118 in 2007, flight engineer on the International Space Station Expedition 25 in 2010 and commander of Expedition 26 in 2011. Kelly has logged more than 180 days in space. Kornienko is from the Syzran, Kuibyshev region of Russia. He is a former paratrooper officer and graduated from the Moscow Aviation Institute as a specialist in airborne systems. He has worked in the space industry since 1986 when he worked at Rocket and Space Corporation-Energia as a spacewalk handbook specialist. He was selected as an Energia test cosmonaut candidate in 1998 and trained as an International Space Station Expedition 8 backup crew member. Kornienko served as a flight engineer on the station's Expedition 23/24 crews in 2010 and has logged more than 176 days in space. During the 12 years of permanent human presence aboard the International Space Station, scientists and researchers have gained valuable, and often surprising, data on the effects of microgravity on bone density, muscle mass, strength, vision and other aspects of human physiology. This yearlong stay will allow for greater analysis of these effects and trends. Kelly and Kornienko will begin a two-year training program in the United States, Russia and other partner nations starting early next year. |
Lasv3 Member Posts: 211 From: Bratislava, Slovakia Registered: Apr 2009
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posted 11-26-2012 10:41 AM
Is there a back-up crew named, or planned? |
dabolton Member Posts: 179 From: Round Lake, IL, US Registered: Jan 2009
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posted 11-26-2012 12:45 PM
What is involved in a 2-year training period, especially for such a veteran ISS pair? |
Jay Chladek Member Posts: 2159 From: Bellevue, NE, USA Registered: Aug 2007
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posted 11-26-2012 12:55 PM
As I see it, this will likely be the first of a couple expeditions as if the goal is to gather science data rather than set a record (no record really needs to be set) then they are going to need to build their data points with different individuals. As I see it, eventually a woman or two will need to do a year in space assignment due to their physical differences (some being stark, others being a bit subtle) compared with the men.In any event, congratulations to Scott Kelly getting the nod at least for the American side. |
Robert Pearlman Editor Posts: 26095 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 11-26-2012 01:20 PM
quote: Originally posted by Lasv3: Is there a back-up crew named, or planned?
I've asked NASA, waiting on a reply. quote: Originally posted by dabolton: What is involved in a 2-year training period, especially for such a veteran ISS pair?
From what I understand, the training is not too different (in length or scope) from the shorter expeditions. Current preparation time for a six month stay is about two years as well, which takes into account the time needed to travel between training locations (U.S., Russia, Europe, Japan and Canada) as well as avoid scheduling conflicts between training crews. quote: Originally posted by Jay Chladek: As I see it, this will likely be the first of a couple expeditions as if the goal is to gather science data rather than set a record...
According to ISS Program Scientist Julie Robinson, the need for further yearlong stays will be decided after they have a chance to see the outcome of this first 12-month mission. If their existing models for what should happen match the results, then there may not be a need to schedule another yearlong expedition. |
Hart Sastrowardoyo Member Posts: 1916 From: Toms River, NJ,USA Registered: Aug 2000
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posted 11-26-2012 02:19 PM
If Kornienko was backup for Exp. 8, was/would he have then been penciled in as prime for Exp. 11, pre-Columbia? |
MSS Member Posts: 349 From: Kolo, Poland Registered: May 2003
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posted 11-26-2012 03:28 PM
According to this page he was planned for Expedition 14 prime pre-Columbia. |
Hart Sastrowardoyo Member Posts: 1916 From: Toms River, NJ,USA Registered: Aug 2000
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posted 11-26-2012 05:15 PM
From Spaceflight 101: Another challenge that comes with this one-year flight is logistics as the two crew members have to be ferried to and from ISS in different Soyuz vehicles as the Soyuz is only certified to stay in orbit for 200 days. Kelly and Kornienko will launch aboard a Soyuz Spacecraft in spring 2015, presumably March, along with a Russian Soyuz Commander yet to be named. In May of 2015 the Soyuz that delivered the Expedition 42/43 crew of Sergei Saljotin, Samantha Cristoferetti and Terry Virts to ISS for their regular 6-month increment, will land, followed by the launch of the next Soyuz with three regular ISS crew members one month later. In October, the Soyuz that carried Kelly and Kornienko to the Station will approach the end of its stay aboard ISS, and so will the Commander of that vehicle.To change the Soyuz vehicles, the Russian Space Agency will have to launch a replacement – giving them the opportunity to fly short-duration crew members to ISS as it was done in the early portion of the ISS Program. One seat has already been assigned to singer Sarah Brightman, the other is still open and could be filled with another spaceflight participant or a researcher representing an agency that is not normally assigned slots on ISS Expeditions. They will be brought to ISS aboard a Soyuz commanded by a Russian Cosmonaut who will fly a regular ISS mission of six months. |
SpaceAngel Member Posts: 112 From: Maryland Registered: May 2010
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posted 11-26-2012 05:36 PM
There's going to be a crew of only two instead of six? |
Robert Pearlman Editor Posts: 26095 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 11-26-2012 08:23 PM
NASA and Roscosmos are planning a set of briefings about this mission during the first week of December, including participation by Scott Kelly and Mikhail Kornienko. The details should become clear then, but in the meantime... - The space station will retain a six-person crew, but only two (Kelly and Kornienko) will stay for the full year.
- To expand upon and clarify the Spaceflight 101 summary, here is Bill Harwood's reporting from last month, citing sources close to NASA:
...the astronaut and cosmonaut who will stay up for a year likely will launch in March 2015 aboard the Soyuz TMA-16M spacecraft, sources said, accompanied by a Russian spacecraft commander who would stay aboard the lab for a normal six-month tour.Under that scenario, the next Soyuz in the rotation, TMA-17M, would launch with a normal three-person station crew the following May. The Soyuz after that, TMA-18M, would take off that Fall with a Russian commander and two paying customers, sources said, either tourists, researchers representing nations not normally in the rotation or a combination of the two. The spaceflight participants would spend about two weeks aboard the lab complex and return to Earth aboard the Soyuz TMA-16M spacecraft with the same commander that ferried the long-duration crew to orbit the previous March. The long-duration crew members would return to Earth in March 2016 aboard the Soyuz TMA-18M spacecraft with the commander who ferried the commercial fliers to orbit. Other scenarios are possible, but they maintain a compliment of six resident crew members and possibly two visiting crew members: - March 2015: Soyuz TMA-16M delivers Kelly, Kornienko and cosmonaut (rumored to be Yuri Lonchakov) to join Sergei Zalyotin, Terry Virts and Samantha Cristoforetti already aboard the space station.
- May 2015: Zalyotin, Cristoforetti and Virts depart the space station on Soyuz TMA-15M. Soyuz TMA-17M launches with three new crew members for the ISS, returning the occupancy to six.
- Fall 2015: Soyuz TMA-18M launches with a Russian cosmonaut and two spaceflight participants. After two weeks, Lonchakov (or whoever) returns to Earth with spaceflight participants on Soyuz TMA-16M.
- March 2016: Kelly, Kornienko and the Russian cosmonaut launched with the spaceflight participants return to Earth on Soyuz TMA-18M.
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Hart Sastrowardoyo Member Posts: 1916 From: Toms River, NJ,USA Registered: Aug 2000
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posted 11-26-2012 10:29 PM
So Kelly and Kornienko have the possibility of wearing at least three - each of the ISS Expedition crews during their tenure - and possibly four patches (if they have a joint personal patch for their year-long stay.) Just hope they don't do any crew changes where one astro/cosmonaut has to be swapped for another (like Exp. 7.) As it is, Kelly and Kornienko will be running out of room on their BFS, if they add their previous patches as well to it! |
Henry Heatherbank Member Posts: 146 From: Adelaide, South Australia Registered: Apr 2005
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posted 11-27-2012 04:28 AM
This one year increment strikes me as the kind of mission where backups would be named, although this appears not to have happened. I see the Russians are quoted as saying they had a few potential candidates, so I guess they feel they can substitute another crew member should Kornienko be grounded. But I would have thought NASA would treat this "high profile" increment as one needing a backup in case Scott Kelly is grounded. Has that happened but I missed it? Or is a backup announcement pending? Or are there no plans for a backups at all? If there are no plans, is this because NASA believes they too have other candidates who can be substituted at short notice, without bing a dedicated backup from the early training phase? (I would be amazed if that were the case.) |
Robert Pearlman Editor Posts: 26095 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 11-27-2012 08:56 AM
Yesterday's announcement was only the primary crew members. There will be a press conference during the first week of December (tentatively set for Dec. 5) to discuss the details, including subjects such as the backup crew members, mission roles and the logistics of crew rotation... |
Robonaut Member Posts: 216 From: Solihull, West Mids, England Registered: Mar 2002
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posted 11-27-2012 06:45 PM
The back-up crew will probably be formed from a later six month prime team and I do not expect a special selection to be made. |
MSS Member Posts: 349 From: Kolo, Poland Registered: May 2003
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posted 11-28-2012 03:48 PM
Here is a short information (in Russian) about this press conference planned for next week. |
Robert Pearlman Editor Posts: 26095 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 11-28-2012 04:26 PM
NASA release NASA, Roscosmos Hold Briefings for Yearlong Space Station Mission NASA and the Russian Federal Space Agency (Roscosmos) will hold two briefings on Wednesday, Dec. 5, beginning at 8 a.m. CST (1400 GMT), to preview the upcoming yearlong expedition by two crew members aboard the International Space Station. NASA Television and the agency's website will carry the briefings live. Scott Kelly of NASA and Mikhail Kornienko of Roscosmos will launch to the station in early 2015 to begin a yearlong stay aboard the orbiting laboratory. This will be the longest time an American has spent in space on a single mission. Both briefings will take place at NASA's Johnson Space Center in Houston and will include participants at Johnson and the Russian Mission Control Center outside of Moscow. The programmatic news conference at 8 a.m. will include: - Michael Suffredini, International Space Station program manager
- Julie Robinson, International Space Station program scientist
- Robert Behnken, NASA chief astronaut
- Alexey Krasnov, director of Piloted Space Programs Department, Roscosmos
- Sergei Krikalev, director, Gagarin Cosmonaut Training Center
- Igor Ushakov, director, Institute for Biomedical Problems
The crew news conference at 9 a.m. CST (1500 GMT) will include Kelly and Kornienko. |
Tom Member Posts: 1233 From: New York Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 12-01-2012 05:59 PM
Is it true that neither Kelly nor Kornienko will fly as CDR during their one year increment aboard ISS? |
Robert Pearlman Editor Posts: 26095 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 12-01-2012 07:06 PM
The crew assignments for the one year mission have not yet been announced by either Roscosmos or NASA. The topic may be addressed during the Dec. 5 briefings. |
Robert Pearlman Editor Posts: 26095 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 12-05-2012 09:49 AM
quote: Originally posted by Henry Heatherbank: Or is a backup announcement pending?
NASA said today that Scott Kelly's backup will be decided as part of the normal schedule for six month increments, so in about four to five months.Kornienko said today that his backup is Sergei Volkov. quote: Originally posted by Tom: Is it true that neither Kelly nor Kornienko will fly as CDR during their one year increment aboard ISS?
Kornienko will serve as a flight engineer throughout the yearlong mission. Kelly will serve as commander for the second half of his 12 month stay, for the third and fourth expedition crews that his and Kornienko's flight overlaps. |
Hart Sastrowardoyo Member Posts: 1916 From: Toms River, NJ,USA Registered: Aug 2000
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posted 12-05-2012 04:30 PM
It was interesting watching the press conference and seeing Kelly with a jacket holding three flights but five mission patches (STS-103, 118, Exp. 25, Exp. 26, Soyuz TMA-01M), the Mach 25 and 100 days patches, his nameplate and NASA meatball, and an American flag. Can't wait to see where he'll put the patches of four more expedition crews, maybe his own crew, and perhaps a Maxa 25 patch and two more 100 days patches (unless they do a 365 days patch)... |
KSCartist Member Posts: 2427 From: Titusville, FL USA Registered: Feb 2005
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posted 12-05-2012 09:54 PM
It was an interesting grouping of patches. On the front of his jacket were missions launched where he was not CDR. On the sleeve were his two commands. But you're right Hart. He's going to need a bigger jacket.
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Hart Sastrowardoyo Member Posts: 1916 From: Toms River, NJ,USA Registered: Aug 2000
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posted 12-05-2012 09:58 PM
Associated Press reports Kelly was among four astronauts on NASA's short list for the assignment. Furthermore, "Each had served as a commander aboard the space station, and was able to perform spacewalks and robot arm operations. Medical information also went into the selection: A crew member could not have exceeded his limit for exposure to cosmic radiation, for instance." Which begs the questions: Who were the other three; in a Top 10 list of NASA astronauts with the most ISS time, where does Kelly fall?; and in a Top 10 list of NASA astronauts' spaceflight time with shuttle and ISS combined, where does Kelly fall? |
PowerCat Member Posts: 148 From: Herington, KS, USA Registered: Feb 2006
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posted 12-06-2012 04:34 AM
I wonder if it was Jeff Williams, Mike Fincke, and Peggy Whitson? |
Hart Sastrowardoyo Member Posts: 1916 From: Toms River, NJ,USA Registered: Aug 2000
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posted 12-06-2012 11:07 AM
I would have figured Foale - and I'll admit, its partly because I'd like to see him get a seventh flight. But he has Mir experience as well as ISS, and it would be interesting to see a translation of health experiences from Mir to ISS to what is essentially a proto-Mars flight. If anything, Foale should be Kelly's backup. |
Robert Pearlman Editor Posts: 26095 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 12-06-2012 11:29 AM
quote: Originally posted by Hart Sastrowardoyo: If anything, Foale should be Kelly's backup.
Whoever is assigned to Kelly as a backup will be flying on their own six-month expedition flight later in the rotation... |
MSS Member Posts: 349 From: Kolo, Poland Registered: May 2003
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posted 12-06-2012 12:09 PM
quote: Originally posted by Robert Pearlman: Kornienko said today that his backup is Sergei Volkov.
So Sergei Volkov should be landing with Kornienko and Kelly on Soyuz TMA-18 on March 2016 after this duo a year mission. |
brianjbradley Member Posts: 74 From: Toronto, Ontario, Canada Registered: Dec 2010
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posted 12-06-2012 04:18 PM
With the Commander/EVA-and-SSRMS experience rationale, Doug Wheelock could also have been a candidate. He mentioned in a tweet several months ago that he anticipated being assigned to an increment that would fly in 2015 specifically. He could also be a possible back-up candidate as he has flown with Kelly and would slip in for him a little more easily.That said, I think he is on leave from NASA flying in OEF and unavailable for flight assignment. |
Delta7 Member Posts: 1124 From: Ossian IN USA Registered: Oct 2007
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posted 12-22-2012 10:26 AM
Presumably Kelly will serve in a backup role first, likely to Barry Wilmore if the current pattern of assignments holds. If Kelly were then called upon to replace Wilmore, especially shortly before the mission, would he still remain aloft for a year? If so, would Kornienko be launched at the same time? (replacing Serova?) That might present some unique logistical challenges on short notice. Not to mention changing the sequence for launching a Spaceflight Participant. |
Robert Pearlman Editor Posts: 26095 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 12-22-2012 12:49 PM
I believe Kelly said that if he or Kornienko were not available to fly on the yearlong mission, then the expedition(s) would revert to a six month schedule. |