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KSCartist
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posted 02-01-2021 01:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KSCartist   Click Here to Email KSCartist     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by SXPatches:
I do not recognize the spacecraft in the upper-right corner? I look forward to attending and receiving your wonderfully designed patch.
Thanks for the kind words!

The spacecraft in the upper right corner is the Chandra X-Ray Telescope launched from Columbia during STS-93 in 1999.

I hope you and your daughter enjoy the event.

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posted 02-01-2021 02:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for garymilgrom   Click Here to Email garymilgrom     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nice one Tim. Great symbolism!

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posted 02-01-2021 11:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SXPatches   Click Here to Email SXPatches     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by KSCartist:
The spacecraft in the upper right corner is the Chandra X-Ray Telescope launched from Columbia during STS-93 in 1999.
I was looking for the connection and missed the reference to the 99ers and Eileen Collins. I love to hunt for the meaning, symbolism and surprises in your work.

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posted 02-03-2021 05:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kevin T. Randall   Click Here to Email Kevin T. Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Paul J. Brennan:
Just made a purchase of these two and a few older ones.
Here are the details on the embedded labels for the patches in Paul's purchase from AB Emblem.
  • Women of Space 428424 A-B Emblem China 01/21 40
  • Artemis Team 429019 A-B Emblem China 01/21 01
  • Artemis-Apollo 429202 A-B Emblem China 01/21 01

    Older patches;

  • Skylab 7" 297426 Made In China 07/18 01 (old style label) (Also has a blank new style 'crown' emblem label on it too) Bryan B.
  • Skylab 7" 297426 A-B Emblem China 12/18 01
  • Mercury 8" 170004 A-B Emblem China 10/1840
  • Gemini 10" 267835 Made In China 16 09 (old style label) Also has the gold on black diamond shaped 'A-B Emblem Licensee Division 866-403-3788' label too Bryan B.
  • Gemini 10" 267835 A-B Emblem 0118 04 (USA) (the '4' is a smaller font than all the other numerals)
Many thanks to Paul and Bryan B. for their information.

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posted 03-26-2021 05:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KSCartist   Click Here to Email KSCartist     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In 1981, NASA was preparing to launch a brand new type of spacecraft and my wife, Lynn, was learning what a true space-case she married. Lucky for me we met and were married during the gap in flights.

I wrote to the STS-1 crew asking if I might design their mission patch. They responded with appreciation for my interest but said it had been designed by Robert McCall. They did include a signed crew photo.

I met John Young in 1993 when he was inducted into the Astronaut Hall of Fame and again in 1997 when the Apollo astronauts were inducted.

The first (and only) time I met the Columbia crew together was in 2003 when the Space Mirror was rededicated for the STS-107 crew. Thank you Torie Varkett for capturing this.

Well this year we celebrate those heady days of the beginning of the shuttle program. Jorge Cartes R and I created a new patch to mark the anniversary.

It is in production by A-B Emblem and will be offered by Skyforce Space Patches, The Space Store and USAFSpace.com. I expect them to ship about mid April.

I've hidden a couple of "Easter eggs" in the patch. Let me know when you find them.

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posted 03-26-2021 08:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for usafspace   Click Here to Email usafspace     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Tim, You are definitely the man. Thank you for sharing your wealth of artistic talent and space coast experience with us!

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posted 03-27-2021 01:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SXPatches   Click Here to Email SXPatches     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am enjoying this new design; a nice tribute to two NAVY officers that launched from Fl on the first shuttle mission.

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posted 03-27-2021 01:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Harald Kraenzel   Click Here to Email Harald Kraenzel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Tim and Jorge: a wonderful patch to honor STS-1.

Although I like the patch there is one area I have kind of a problem with: the missing faces. Is this intentional or related to embroidering? Or did I miss something?

Keep up the good work!

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posted 03-27-2021 06:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KSCartist   Click Here to Email KSCartist     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Harald, the patch is too small to embroider faces clearly.

But thanks for your kind words.

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posted 03-27-2021 09:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GoesTo11   Click Here to Email GoesTo11     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow.

I was really looking forward to this.

Tim and Jorge, I've always been a fan and a customer... but not this time.

Unless your "Easter eggs" include Young and Crippen's faces, this is just weird. If you didn't think they were executable in embroidery, you should probably have gone in another direction.

Hard pass.

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posted 03-28-2021 10:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kevin T. Randall   Click Here to Email Kevin T. Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Possibly like the printed photo face of Stephen Colbert used on the C.O.L.B.E.R.T. patches produced by AB Emblem in 2009?

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posted 03-28-2021 05:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KSCartist   Click Here to Email KSCartist     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've never been a fan of woven patches but understand the design sometimes requires it.
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Originally posted by GoesTo11:
Hard pass.
Kevin, I appreciate your support and honesty.

The patch is 5 inches high, which make the faces about 3/8" high. The patch I created for the Museum of the 99's for their Mercury 13 event last month was very well received. So I took a chance with this.

We'll see how it shakes out. Maybe you'll be more pleased about the upcoming Hubble patch.

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posted 03-29-2021 11:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KSCartist   Click Here to Email KSCartist     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
NON EST AD ASTRA MOLLIS E TERRIS VIA — "There is no easy way from the Earth to the Stars."

The Earth is shown at night with city lights sparkling below and stars above. Over the ocean the Astronaut Symbol points the way forward, towards dawn of a new day and beyond Earth to the stars.

Creating a 12 inch patch with all the names can be financially prohibitive so I requested A-B Emblem to add this tribute to my gallery of patches they offer so that this design lives on in tribute to those who gave "the last full measure of devotion" to the exploration of space.

This should be available on Wednesday (March 31) from A-B Emblem.

Kevin T. Randall
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posted 03-29-2021 11:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kevin T. Randall   Click Here to Email Kevin T. Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
AB Emblem has just listed this Final Flight patch on their website, so it is now available to buy today (March 29th).

This Final Flight patch has the SKU patch design number of;

  • 430401 A-B Emblem Made In China 03/21 40

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posted 03-30-2021 06:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for robtheblue   Click Here to Email robtheblue     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Tim, any progress with the Mercury and Gemini Spirit patches?

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posted 04-02-2021 02:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KSCartist   Click Here to Email KSCartist     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Rob, thanks for the question. To be quite honest, I think interest in my work has cooled.

Maybe if I wait until the 60th anniversary of Gemini there might be a greater demand.

When demand goes down the price of a patch goes up, which causes demand to go down. This is why I'm trying to have A-B Emblem make more of my designs.

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It may be many reasons for the cooling in interest. As an observer of your work, I offer my opinion for your consideration. I think that you may have tried to incorporate elements within your design of the STS-1 patch above that just don't work with sewn patch media.

Intricate designs, and images that rely on tonal and shadow gradients to represent their subject matter just don't work with sewn patches that have such a restricted area to work within. Trying to replicate a photograph of the crew portrait, and offering an image that has the faces removed because they can't be replicated on a sewn patch, was a poor decision.

I have admired your work for many years but must admit that the patches you have presented that use such images, including the National Astronaut Day Apollo Commemorative Patch, the Artemis-Apollo patch, and the 60th Anniversary of the Mercury 13 testing at the Lovelace Clinic patch, where the sewing process of subject fine detail does not work well with the sewing media, and as a result, have lowered the standard.

Sometimes the use of negative space can be more important than trying to add too much detail, which makes the design confusing or busy. And for any artist, maintaining a style and level of finish is an important attribute that should be maintained. I believe that if you want to make patches that contain such intricate detail, different media needs to be chosen, which may open another wormhole for traditional pact enthusiasts.

As someone who has worked on military flight lines for many years, the best squadron patches work because they are simple designs that tell a message that is easily identifiable and recognisable from a distance. A patch is not something that needs to be viewed close up to identify the minutia, as this would invade the personal space of the wearer. It should tell its message at arm's length or further.

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I believe Tim made some bold and courageous decisions to work within the limits of the medium and not fight it, and it resonates with me. Human beings focus on the face first when confronted with a human form, and there is a fine line between realism and a cartoon — a real reason you see very few embroidered faces, especially at the scale Tim is working at.

Based on the recent comments, some want realism, but due to the limited space, any attempt at realism will result in something that appears as a cartoon and nobody would like that, including me. By removing the face you remove any attempt to convey emotion and likeness; however, using a silhouette of the face and hair along with the hairline, you can recognize differences and thus identify individuals. Brilliant!!! I defend Tim's decision and I believe it honors the astronauts as pictured in the photograph for STS-1.

The Lovelace patch... I have no trouble recognizing Eileen Collins, her hair is a giveaway. Does anyone recognize the woman being portrayed as one of the Mercury 13? I think NOT, at least not without some effort, but the point here is that there are 13 women being honored by one figure, so removing the face creates anonymity where any and all of the 13 women are represented. Again, brilliant.

The real judge should be those being portrayed. Many people are very critical of their photographs, so I suspect that not having a bad impression of their face that would live forever is a gift.

Tim has a gift for symbolism, and his treatment of the human face is no different in this case. I am designer myself, and until you actually work with the medium being used, it is easy to judge until you are the one making the decisions to realize the best possible outcomes.

By the way, I love the attention to detail and the use of thread that makes these embroidered patches works of art.

Keep moving forward Tim.

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Could have gone with closed helmets to avoid facial details on these?

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After these last few very thoughtful posts, I feel that maybe my last was a bit harsh.

I had never seen the Lovelace patch, and whether or not it was "well received," my reaction to it was similar to the STS-1 commemorative.

I suspect that trying to depict realistic human facial features in embroidery is just aesthetically asking for trouble, even for artists as talented as Tim and Jorge.

These seem like an attempt to "split the difference," and for me it just doesn't work.

One guy's opinion, though.

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Guys, lets not worry about "harsh" comments. I'm able to accept opinions and would prefer honest comments even if you don't like something. It's part and parcel of being an artist.

I went with the crew photo as is because I thought it could work.

Sometimes you hit it over the fence, sometimes you strike out. We'll see what happens.

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It's certainly not a "strike out"! Opinions are like ( ), everyone has one. Keep up what you do Tim.

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Originally posted by GoesTo11:
These seem like an attempt to "split the difference," and for me it just doesn't work.
What you like and don't is subjective and true for you, and I respect that. I offered my perspective for consideration. Beauty is definitely in the eye of the beholder, and these kind of discussions are great to better understand how others will perceive and receive artwork.

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posted 04-05-2021 06:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KAPTEC   Click Here to Email KAPTEC     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for all your honest opinions. They help us to progress ... because we also argue with different criteria during our work, until we reach a consensus. Reviews, positive or negative, always help us. Thank you very much.

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Well, I’ll add my opinion. I’m also not a fan of the blank faces. For me they are weird and somewhat off putting. Maybe I’m just not artistic enough.

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posted 04-09-2021 07:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KSCartist   Click Here to Email KSCartist     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by KSCartist:
I expect them to ship about mid April.
An image of the actual patch. I might get them next week.

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posted 04-20-2021 07:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KSCartist   Click Here to Email KSCartist     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I’ll be shipping the patches today. But I've also added the art to my Zazzle Store. You'll be happy to hear that faces are included.

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posted 04-22-2021 11:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KSCartist   Click Here to Email KSCartist     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So last week (thanks to a friend) I was able to send Bob Crippen the first patch.

Today I received this email:

Tim, thank you for remembering the 40th anniversary and the nice patch.
Connecting with a legend... priceless.

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AB Emblem have now released the STS-1 40th anniversary patches to a small number of selected agents and retailers, four only. It is not for sale on the AB Emblem website.

There are just a limited edition of 500 of these patches that have been produced on one production run in China.

This STS-1 40th anniversary patch has the SKU patch design number 431602, and so far one date code has been seen.

  • 431602 A-B Emblem Made In China 04/21 40 (April 2021)
Joe at Skyforce Space patches.com is selling his patches with Tim Gagnon's autograph on the backs, for $15.50 each. SOLD OUT.

The other three sellers are:

  • The Space Store. Also has autographed patches for sale at $14.95 each.
  • USAFSpace.com (website and on eBay). Awaiting patches before listing.
  • Rocket STEM (a media foundation charity listing on eBay lot 353485108067). There were just 8 unsigned and two signed patches available. Bought and received one signed and one unsigned examples.

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posted 05-09-2021 11:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KSCartist   Click Here to Email KSCartist     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Kevin.

I requested A-B Emblem to make these for me the edition will be limited to a run of only 500. The retailers you mention have supported me for many years and were chosen by me.

It was a challenge I wanted to undertake but it was never going to be a patch available on the A-B Emblem website.

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quote:
Originally posted by KSCartist:
The patch I created for the Museum of the 99's for their Mercury 13 event last month was very well received.
The effect of light on the threads show relief and texture that is not apparent in the photo, especially the spacesuits.

Photos and scans never capture the full beauty of the embroidery. I enjoy the attention to detail!

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posted 07-16-2021 07:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GoesTo11   Click Here to Email GoesTo11     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Don't know if this topic is Tim's "suggestion box," but anyway...

Noting Doug Hurley's recent departure from NASA, perhaps the career of the man who crewed the last flight of the Space Shuttle *and* the first manned flight of Crew Dragon — a decade apart, no less — might be worth a commemorative?

Just a thought.

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posted 07-21-2021 10:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KSCartist   Click Here to Email KSCartist     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Always happy to receive suggestions, but it would need to look much like this I created for the Space Hipsters Facebook group.

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posted 08-06-2021 08:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KSCartist   Click Here to Email KSCartist     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jorge Cartes R and I have designed a tribute patch celebrating the suborbital spaceflight of Wally Funk. The purpose of this post is to gauge interest in this patch.

It will be a limited edition (not to exceed 500), signed and numbered by me. The price will be $15 including first class mail around the world for single patch orders. Bulk orders: museums, non-profits, etc will be offered a discount.

If you are interested please email me.
'Our Dream Realized' commemorative patch

On the 52nd anniversary of the Apollo 11 moon landing, a pioneering woman aviator flew to space aboard a commercial spacecraft thus realizing a 60 year old dream of spaceflight.

In this design I imagine the view out the spacecraft window, a "Mercury 13" lapel pin floats in micro-gravity.

Context

In the early 1960s, Dr. William Lovelace’s "Woman in Space Program" was a short-lived, privately-funded project testing women pilots for astronaut fitness. Although nothing concrete resulted, the women who participated have since been recognized as trailblazers, whose ambitions to fly the newest and the fastest craft led them to be among the first American women to gain access to sophisticated aerospace medical tests.

Those women were considered at the time to be the "First Lady Astronaut Trainees."

In the end, thirteen women passed the same physical examinations that the Lovelace Foundation had developed for NASA’s astronaut selection process.

In 1995, when NASA's first woman pilot was launched into space, she invited the surviving members of the "FLATS" to her launch. The term "The Mercury 13" was coined by a Hollywood producer as a comparison to the Mercury Seven name given to the original male astronauts. The Mercury 13 women were not part of NASA's astronaut program, never flew in space as part of a NASA mission, and never met as a whole group.

This however doesn't diminish the fact that (given the same training), they COULD have performed as well as the Mercury 7.

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posted 08-09-2021 07:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KSCartist   Click Here to Email KSCartist     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Project Update:

Response has been gratifying but we are not quite across the goal line to make this project viable. Hopefully this news will help.

When Jorge and I created this patch last month, I reached out to Wally Funk via The Ninety-Nines International Organization of Women Pilots. Last night I received a response that gave me much joy.

Wally loved it, we all did!!!
So I can officially rename this patch: "Our Dream Realized" The Wally Funk Commemorative patch.

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posted 08-15-2021 07:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KSCartist   Click Here to Email KSCartist     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The response to the update from August 9th made the project viable. In fact over 300 have already been reserved. The patches were ordered and I expect delivery on or about September 18th.

Thanks to everyone who has supported this project.


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