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ShuttleDiscovery
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posted 10-24-2008 11:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ShuttleDiscovery     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Will be the Apollo patch be ready this year or next year? Thanks.

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Apollo will be released next year. I'm trying to get the MOL Commemorative done in time for this year but I need everyone's feedback.

It's a pentagon shape but with the addition of the names the smallest the embroidery company can make is a patch where each side measures 5". This makes the widest area of the patch 8" across.

That's all well and good as M-G are 8". But here's my concern. This would make the X-15 the only small patch so far. So my question for everyone is this.

  1. Do I redesign MOL to enable it to be smaller? It's a program that never flew. OR

  2. Do I release the original design with some minor modifications? Because I want to show the names of the men involved - some who are not very well known.
Thanks in advance for your feedback.

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posted 10-25-2008 11:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for space4u   Click Here to Email space4u     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I like the original design with the names on it. I agree that keeping the names is very important.

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posted 10-25-2008 11:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for NavySpaceFan   Click Here to Email NavySpaceFan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Keep it as is, Tim. Beautiful!!!

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Tim, I like the original design with the names on it. Leave the names to identify the men who belonged to the MOL program. A program that is not remembered as well as the others. This program deserves a nice 8" patch to honor the men and the program they served.

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posted 10-25-2008 02:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KAPTEC   Click Here to Email KAPTEC     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What can I add Tim? You know my opinion since months ago... Let they be.

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posted 11-14-2008 01:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SpaceCadet83   Click Here to Email SpaceCadet83     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What's the status on the MOL patch? Will we see it before the year's out?

For what it's worth I like the original patch design with the names on it. I'm not so worried about size in relation to your other patches in the series. I'd just like to see a good, clear patch design, which I believe you've achieved. It's beautiful! Great tribute to an often overlooked part of America's Space Program!

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posted 11-17-2008 09:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KSCartist   Click Here to Email KSCartist     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am accepting orders for the MOL patch.

The change in design reflects my desire to still honor each of the men selected as well as reduce the size to 4" on each side - making the widest point about 6.5".

I hope you all like it as much as I do.

This will be the final patch of the year. Watch for Apollo (and the rest) in 2009.

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posted 03-12-2009 02:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for E2M Lem Man   Click Here to Email E2M Lem Man     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I liked your designs - and you are right - I missed the X-15 you did the first time around. Are any of these still available? Did you do an X-20 Dynasoar design?

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posted 03-12-2009 02:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KSCartist   Click Here to Email KSCartist     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, in fact I do. I also have MOL patches and a few Gemini.

If there is interest I will be re-ordering Mercury and Gemini when I order the Apollo. Apollo is proving to be more difficult than I expected. I'm working on a minor re-design right now.

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posted 03-25-2009 08:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KSCartist   Click Here to Email KSCartist     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
At long last I am prepared to accept pre-orders for the 6th patch in my "Celebrating 50 Years of America in Space" commemorative series.

Celebrating the program that met President Kennedy's challenge, the Apollo patch is a 12" in diameter monster size patch for a monster size program. Everything about Apollo was larger than life so to mark that program and honor its participants the patch had to be also.

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posted 03-25-2009 10:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for spaced out   Click Here to Email spaced out     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Given the size, did you consider producing a bath mat version?

Seriously, though it's a nice patch.

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posted 03-25-2009 10:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for NavySpaceFan   Click Here to Email NavySpaceFan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nice one, Tim! I like the crews listed alphabetically.

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posted 03-25-2009 10:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KAPTEC   Click Here to Email KAPTEC     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Very nice Tim. Only little changes at last... I like it. Congrats.

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posted 03-25-2009 11:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GoesTo11   Click Here to Email GoesTo11     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Love it, but one small quibble...Why no Earth/Moon in the Apollo 8 element?

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posted 03-25-2009 11:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Voyager1975   Click Here to Email Voyager1975     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey Tim, I LOVE this Apollo Commemorative patch!! It's just right! I wouldn't have changed a thing! Just curious does AB Emblem manufacture your patches as well?

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posted 03-25-2009 12:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KSCartist   Click Here to Email KSCartist     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hmmmm bath mats - not a bad idea! Maybe even a quilt?

As for the mission design elements I tried to reduce them to their essence. I could have kept the Earth & Moon in the Apollo 8 image - but I felt it was redundant as the patch has the Earth and Moon in it. But it could have gone either way.

No AB doesn't embroider the patches - it was a cost issue.

Thanks for the feedback!

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posted 03-25-2009 01:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for perineau   Click Here to Email perineau     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's a beutiful patch, but it's a shame that the Skylab & ASTP (Apollo-Soyuz) missions were not included...

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posted 03-25-2009 07:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for space4u   Click Here to Email space4u     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
WOW Tim another outstanding patch designed by you. Can't wait to see it in person!

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posted 03-25-2009 08:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KSCartist   Click Here to Email KSCartist     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by perineau:
a shame that the Skylab & ASTP (Apollo-Soyuz) missions were not included
Skylab (deserved and) will have its own patch coming out this summer and ASTP, Shuttle/Mir and ISS will follow in the fall.

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posted 03-25-2009 09:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Voyager1975   Click Here to Email Voyager1975     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Tim, for the Skylab commemorative patch, I think what would be really cool would be to incorporate the brown color that the astronauts wore aboard Skylab (meaning the brown of those flight jackets and flight suits that were brown). Perhaps for the border of the patch? I think it would capture the era as well as an element or obviously color that we see in practically every piece of Skylab footage. I mean even the shorts were that same brown color. So just an idea, I think it would be a neat touch to have that brown somewhere on the patch. Thanks!

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posted 03-26-2009 11:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KSCartist   Click Here to Email KSCartist     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Voyager1975:
I think it would be a neat touch to have that brown somewhere on the patch.
Were you peeking at my portfolio? I think you will be pleased.

I am also announcing the release of a three patch set commemorating the first launch of the Constellation Program.

While not the "official" design I hope you will like the patches and want to add them to your collection.

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posted 03-26-2009 11:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Voyager1975   Click Here to Email Voyager1975     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sounds great! That's funny I just thought about the brown for the Skylab patch last night! I guess us patch guys think alike. Seems like you were ahead of me on that one!

Good luck with the Constellation designs as well!

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posted 04-03-2009 08:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KSCartist   Click Here to Email KSCartist     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am very pleased to announce that my commemorative emblems are available to those of you who do not collect embroidered patches. A number of products such as shirts, mugs, posters are available through Cafe Press.

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posted 04-03-2009 12:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Voyager1975   Click Here to Email Voyager1975     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How many patches in the Celebrating 50 Years of America in Space series will there be all together? Also, will the set of three Ares 1-X commemorative patches be released last or in July or August around the time of the flight test? Thanks again.

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The "Celebrating 50 years of America in Space" series will include 10 emblems:
  1. 50th Anniversary
  2. Mercury
  3. X-15
  4. Gemini
  5. MOL
  6. Apollo
  7. Skylab
  8. International Cooperation which includes: Apollo-Soyuz / Shuttle-Mir / ISS
  9. Space Shuttle Program
  10. Constellation
The ones to be released this year are Apollo, Skylab and International Cooperation.

The Shuttle Progam and Constellation commemoratives will be released in 2010.

The Ares 1-X 3 patch set (or you can purchase them separately) are available now for pre-order, see them here.

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posted 05-18-2009 10:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KSCartist   Click Here to Email KSCartist     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
An update -

The Apollo 12" commemorative is now being made by the embroidery company. I expect to receive them in June and will fill the existing orders first. I am very grateful to those of you who ordered this and helped getting it made possible.

As I'm sure you can imagine creating something this big provided its own special challenges. If it weren't for those who ordered it - it never would have happened.

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posted 05-19-2009 04:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ShuttleDiscovery     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Is there going to be an ISS only patch?

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posted 05-19-2009 04:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KAPTEC   Click Here to Email KAPTEC     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And I will try to work along with Tim on it! I only need to persuade him...

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posted 05-19-2009 07:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KSCartist   Click Here to Email KSCartist     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There won't be an ISS only patch for years as the program is just now entering into its second phase.

But there WILL be one eventually.

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posted 05-21-2009 01:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ShuttleDiscovery     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for your reply Tim.

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posted 05-31-2009 12:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KSCartist   Click Here to Email KSCartist     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have been approached more than once about making a more accurate Apollo 9 patch. I had a friend who attended Spacefest in San Diego who even ran the idea past the crew - thinking of McDivitt and the GT-4 patch. Not that I needed their endorsement but I felt it would be nice to have their blessing.

McDivitt didn't see the need to re-make it. Scott liked the idea and Schweickart deferred to his CDR.

I always hated the AB Emblem version because they made the mighty Saturn V look like an Mercury/Atlas.

I would like to re-make the patch but I need feedback from you all. There would have to be telling clues that clearly identifies this as a re-make such as:

  1. The original flown embroidered patch was 3.5 inches - mine would be 4 inches.

  2. The close up view of the original looked to have a blue "twill" material as backing. If so mine would be fully embroidered. But if the original was fully embroidered - mine would have twill background.
Does anyone have an original patch in their collection that can confirm my assumptions?

I want to do this but I want to do it right. Should I put in a watermark such as "2009" in the design?

How many people would purchase this patch? Is there enough interest to have 50 made?

What other Apollo patches need to be "fixed" Apollo 7, Apollo 10 and Apollo 14 come to mind. Maybe also an Apollo 17 with a white eagle as originally intended. Someone else has already done Apollo 13 - I saw it on eBay last year.

Since doing the Al Stevens Commemorative set has proven to be such a challenge, I'm not interested in re-making all of the Apollo patches or offering them as a set. I just want to fix deficiencies in what AB Emblem offers.

So I leave it to you my fellow cS'ers what do you say?

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posted 05-31-2009 04:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mike Z   Click Here to Email Mike Z     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think that would be a great idea. I have never been happy with the AB version either. I have the Lion Brothers version and it's been good enough. Living near Lion Brothers I was lucky to get all of the Apollo patches since we knew a lady who worked there. She gave me the patches as soon as she got them. Lion Brothers was about 10 minutes from my house. Now they're about 25 minutes. I have tried for years to see what they have left over with out any success. Now I believe they have new owners.

Good luck should you decide to do the Apollo 9 patch. Thank so much you for all of the wonderful work you have done!!

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posted 05-31-2009 09:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for space4u   Click Here to Email space4u     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Count me in for an Apollo 9 patch re-design Tim. I love all your creations!

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posted 05-31-2009 10:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Michael Clemente   Click Here to Email Michael Clemente     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You can count me in for an Apollo 9 patch. Your work has been nothing but top notch. AIM HIGH! Mike

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I am sorry... but I could not be any more opposed to this. There are more than enough "Saturn 5" Apollo 9 patches out there to satisfy the discriminating space collector. I have four different 4" designs in my collection, and one 3 1/2 inch design. They all have obvious Saturn 5's on them. I am no fan of the AB design either... don't even have one in my collection because it looks so bad, but a "good" Apollo 9 can be found with patience. This re-making of patches just because they are hard to find is becoming ridiculous. It is called collecting... you collect the vintage patches that are out there. Collectors do not need to create "collectibles" to replace actual collectibles.

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posted 06-01-2009 09:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Go4Launch   Click Here to Email Go4Launch     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I fully agree with the above post. Doesn't anyone else appreciate that this sort of thing undercuts what collecting is supposed to be about? First eBay took some fun out of the hobby by putting so much at your fingertips. I've learned to live with that, but I guess even the collecting "super powers" that the Internet has brought aren't good enough for some. What is this, "Collect Space" or "Create Space?"

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posted 06-01-2009 10:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KSCartist   Click Here to Email KSCartist     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Let's be clear I am NOT trying to create an exact replica of the Apollo 9 patch. In no way should what I am considering doing be confused with "creating space" memorabilia.

This would only be a better souvenir version than what is available from AB Emblem. The goal would only be to correct what we all agree are deficiencies in their product. In fact if they could be convinced to produce better quality souvenirs for their M-G-A patches then I wouldn't even consider doing this myself.

I am very content in producing commemoratives of my own design and designing patches for flight crews. That's why I mentioned including a telltale watermark so they couldn't be confused with original and /or flown memorabilia.

I appreciate the posts and hope this makes my position clear. I only want a better quality souvenir.

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posted 06-01-2009 03:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bill Hunt   Click Here to Email Bill Hunt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That works for me. Tim, your work's been amazing thus far, so I'd love to see what you come up with. Maybe you could tackle the Gemini replica project one day?

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This is my last post on this topic because there's no value in repeating myself. But am I the only one who thinks its odd for a collector to want something that's a remake of what was a "remake" to begin with? This would be "a better souvenir version?"

No matter what you produce, it's never going to be the real patch! I guess I must have a different definition of what collecting space memorabilia is. This is more like collecting replica space memorabilia. But to each his own...


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