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NASA's Space Launch System and Orion spacecraft lift off on Artemis I from Launch Complex 39B at Kennedy Space Center in Florida on Nov. 16, 2022, at 1:47 a.m. EST.

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Watch live as the Orion spacecraft, after having launched into space aboard the Space Launch System (SLS) rocket, shares its first Earth views during its outbound coast to the Moon.

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Now that Artemis I is on its way, is there an up-to-date timeline of significant flight events (LOI, DRO, etc) for the duration of this mission?

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Beautiful launch but a Saturn V its not.

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Having read that the Saturn V was a monster reverberator I was curious how the Artemis would compare.

I have witnessed two Shuttle launches at KSC and they were both impressive kidney shakers with wild snapping and crackling of the local atmosphere. I expect the Artemis would be even more impressive.

I would enjoy hearing some detail from someone who witnessed both the Artemis and Saturn V for comparison.

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As far as the sound goes, each launch has it's variations based on listener location and atmospheric conditions. For me it sounded just like a Shuttle launch which would make sense as the thrust was the same plus one extra RS-25. Not diminishing from the experience but my two cents.

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From Johnson Space Center (via Facebook):
Time lapse footage from the NASA's Orion spacecraft as Artemis I journeys to the moon. Orion is scheduled to make its closest approach to the vicinity of the moon on Nov. 21.

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From Jason Major via Twitter:
A view of Earth taken on November 16, 2022 from NASA's Orion spacecraft while about 57,000 miles/92,000 km away on its way to the moon. North on Earth is to the left here. (Edited screenshot from NASA TV live coverage).

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Is the audio/video from Artemis Mission Control available as a live stream and/or recording? Same question regarding Launch Control recording.

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There is/was no continuous live feed for the mission (audio or video) for either Mission Control or the Launch Control Center. NASA said there were ITAR concerns with the latter as unlike on future crewed missions, several audio loops were combined into one for Artemis I.

NASA is only providing short live TV updates, the next one scheduled for Monday (Nov. 21) when Orion makes its closest approach to the moon.

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Originally posted by Headshot:
...is there an up-to-date timeline of significant flight events (LOI, DRO, etc) for the duration of this mission?
Here is the current mission timeline, updated after the launch:
Flight Day 2-5 - Outbound transit

Flight Day 6-9 - Transit to Distant Retrograde Orbit (DRO) around the Moon

Flight Day 6 (11/21): Outbound Powered Fly-by (burn 7:44 a.m.), Lunar close approach (~80 miles, 130 km)

Flight Day 10-15 - In DRO

Flight Day 10 (11/25): DRO Insertion (burn 4:52 p.m.)

Flight Day 11 (11/26): Orion passes Apollo 13 Record of 248,655 miles (400,171 km) from Earth for a spacecraft designed for humans (9:25 a.m.)

Flight Day 13: (11/28): Orion reaches maximum distance from Earth (4:48 p.m.) at approximately 268,554 miles (432,194 km)

Flight Day 16-19 - Exit DRO

Flight Day 16 (12/1): DRO Departure (burn 4:53 p.m.)

Flight Day 20-26 - Return transit

Flight Day 20 (12/5): Return Flyby (burn 11:43 a.m.), Lunar close approach (~79 miles, 128 km)

Flight Day 26 - Earth Return

Flight Day 26 (12/11): Splashdown (1:06 p.m.)

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Thanks Robert.

Are these Houston times or EST?

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All times are are Eastern Standard Time (GMT +5).

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Small, low-cost science and technology CubeSats were deployed into deep space from the Artemis I Orion stage adapter. Here are the known official status reports of the 10 CubeSats on Artemis I:
  • Lunar IceCube – Morehead State University, Morehead, Kentucky
    Searching for water in all forms and other volatiles with an infrared spectrometer
    NASA's Lunar IceCube mission has made contact after deployment.
  • LunaH-Map – Arizona State University, Tempe, Arizona
    Creating higher-fidelity maps of near-surface hydrogen in craters and other permanently shadowed regions of the lunar South Pole with neutron spectrometers
    Our LunaH-Map cubesat, launched as a secondary payload on Artemis I, has called home! Its batteries are charging, and it is sending and receiving signals on its journey to the Moon.
  • LunIR – Lockheed Martin, Denver, Colorado
    Performing advanced infrared imaging of the lunar surface

  • OMOTENASHI – JAXA, Japan
    Developing the world’s smallest lunar lander and studying the lunar environment
    OMOTENASHI separated on November 16 (JST), but currently the CubeSat has not completed sun acquisition and communication is not stable. We are therefore continuing operations to stablise attitude, secure power and establish communication.
  • CuSP – Southwest Research Institute, San Antonio, Texas
    Measuring particles and magnetic fields as a space weather station
    We've received the first communications from CuSP and are now doing the checkout.
  • BioSentinel – Ames Research Center, Silicon Valley, California
    Using single-celled yeast to detect, measure and compare the impact of deep-space radiation on living organisms over a long period of time

  • EQUULEUS – University of Tokyo/JAXA, Japan
    Imaging the Earth’s plasmasphere for a better understanding of Earth’s radiation environment from Earth-Moon LaGrange 2 point
    EQUULEUS separated on November 16 (JST) and was confimed to be operating normally at 22:50 (JST) on the same day.
  • NEA Scout – Marshall Space Flight Center, Huntsville, Alabama
    Traveling by solar sail to a near-Earth asteroid and taking pictures and other characterizations of its surface
    Following successful separation and deployment from the Space Launch System on Nov. 16, NASA's Near-Earth Asteroid Scout (NEA Scout) project team has not yet established communications with the spacecraft. Teams continue working to initiate contact with NEA Scout.
  • ArgoMoon – Italian Space Agency (ASI)
    Observing the interim cryogenic propulsion stage with advanced optics and software imaging system

  • Team Miles – Tampa, Florida
    Demonstrating propulsion using plasma thrusters and competing in NASA’s Deep Space Derby

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Any idea when Kennedy Space Center will release launch replays from the various pad engineering cameras? During the shuttle era, those pad camera replays were broadcast about a half-hour after every launch.

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There may be two factors in play here:

First, teams were still in safing operations at the pad until today, and so it was a controlled area. Only essential personnel were permitted access. For example, photographers were only able to retrieve their remote cameras beginning today. (That wouldn't necessarily apply to NASA's own cameras, but it might not have been a priority.)

Second, for reasons not yet clear, NASA has declared many more views and details about the Space Launch System as falling under ITAR than it did during the space shuttle program. For example, photographers have been instructed that no photos of the pad will be allowed when they are allowed to go retrieve their cameras because the umbilical heads are ITAR-restricted (even though NASA has previously released images of the same heads).

It may be that NASA needs extra time to review and edit the footage to meet ITAR controls.

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For those who have not yet discovered it, you can track Orion in real time using NASA's Artemis Real-Time Orbit (AROW) website.

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From NASA's Johnson Space Center in Houston, NASA previews the Orion spacecraft's entry into the moon's sphere of influence and the pair of maneuvers that will propel the spacecraft into a distant retrograde lunar orbit. Briefing participants will include:
  • Mike Sarafin, Artemis I mission manager, NASA Headquarters
  • Jeff Radigan, flight director, Johnson
  • Jim Geffre, Orion vehicle integration manager, Johnson
Orion's entry into the lunar sphere of influence will make the Moon, instead of Earth, the main gravitational force acting on the spacecraft. Flight controllers will conduct an outbound powered flyby burn to harness the force from the moon's gravity, accelerate the spacecraft, and direct it toward a distant retrograde orbit beyond the moon. During the outbound powered flyby, Orion will make its closest approach – approximately 80 miles – above to the lunar surface. Four days later, another burn using the European Service Module will insert Orion into distant retrograde orbit, where it will remain for about a week to test spacecraft systems.

NASA will provide live coverage of the outbound powered flyby on Monday, Nov. 21, at 7:15 a.m. EST. The burn will occur at 7:44 a.m., with Orion's closest approach occurring shortly after at 7:57 a.m. Live NASA TV coverage of the distant retrograde orbit insertion burn on Friday, Nov. 25 will begin at 4:30 p.m. The insertion burn will occur at 4:52 p.m.

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Some newly-released NASA launch photos:

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From today's briefing comes the news that the force of the launch was so great that it blew out the blast doors on the mobile launcher elevator. So, at current, they do not have a working lift on the ML.

The inspection teams and other engineers working at the pad are currently having to take the stairs.

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Isn't it just fantastic? I can't tell you how exciting this has been for me.

My name is on the drive alongside over 200 of my students, the launch was 3 hours before school started here in Ireland but we watched it repeatedly over the day.

It's a dream of mine to be there for one in person.

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Just curious, is the spacecraft in a barbecue roll like Apollo spacecraft?

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How is the Orion being viewed from the outside without anyone or anything?

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Each of Orion's solar arrays wings has a GoPro camera attached. From NASA's description of the cameras on Artemis I:
Four cameras attached to the spacecraft's solar array wings on the service module will help engineers assess the overall health of the outside of Orion and can capture a selfie view of the spacecraft with the Earth or Moon in the background.

"Each of Orion's four solar array wings has a commercial off-the-shelf camera mounted at the tip that has been highly modified for use in space, providing a view of the spacecraft exterior," said David Melendrez, imagery integration lead for the Orion Program at NASA's Johnson Space Center in Houston.

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Multiple space reporters said on Twitter that the agency had sent them a message telling them they were prohibited from photographing the Artemis 1 launch tower after the liftoff (via Reddit).
"NASA did not provide a reason," Eric Berger, Ars Technica's senior space editor, tweeted. The reporter added that according to his sources, the ban was apparently an attempt to save face after the launch damaged the tower.

"So now sources are saying that yes, Launch Complex-39B tower was damaged during the Artemis I launch on Wednesday morning," Berger tweeted. "Basically, there were leaks and damage where there weren't supposed to be leaks and damage."

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The restriction had nothing to do with damage to the pad, though it did suffer damage (as noted upthread). Here is what NASA said was the reason:
Because the current state of configuration, there are ITAR restrictions and photos are not permitted at this time.
At a subsequent press briefing, mission manager Mike Sarafin said:
The mobile launcher has flight interfaces on it that are considered export controlled and not all of those are in a configuration that are ready to be photographed and shared. There is some amount of work that needs to be done to get those into configuration.

Prior images that have been shared were either shared at a low enough resolution where that was not an issue or were shared such that the umbilical interfaces were not in full view such that they were export or ITAR controlled.

That's my understanding of it. I am not an ITAR expert, but that's what I know on that particular topic.

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Watch live as NASA's Orion spacecraft performs a close approach of the lunar surface on its way to a distant retrograde orbit, a highly stable orbit thousands of miles beyond the Moon.

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Please be informed, there is a Santa Claus.

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High resolution imagery from today's lunar flyby (the moon was in shadow at closest approach). More photos are here.

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When available, live views from Orion will be available on this stream:

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Given that CAPSTONE has now settled into orbit, does anyone know if NASA will try and have Artemis I try and communicate with it, as a dress rehearsal or test run for an Artemis spacecraft attempting to rendezvous with Lunar Gateway? I'm talking solely communicate with it, not do anything else.

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There are no plans for Orion and CAPSTONE to interact, but they do plan some communication tests between CAPSTONE and Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter.

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Those modified GoPro cameras that are mounted to the solar panels are doing a great job! It was magnificent watching the Earth setting over the edge of the Moon yesterday.

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Here is that footage:

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Looking for views similar to NASA Apollo Era translunar/transearth trajectory plotting charts. These TLI charts presented a lot of information. The moon will complete almost a full orbit during the Artemis 1 flight.

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At 4:52 p.m. EST (21:52 UTC) on Friday (Nov. 25), the Orion spacecraft will perform a burn burn to enter a distant retrograde orbit around the Moon, an orbit that is high altitude from the surface of the Moon and opposite the direction of the Moon travels around Earth.

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Why is there no cover protection above the spacecraft windows? The rest is all covered.

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I suspect most people would be very surprised how "slowly" Artemis-1 is flying, relative to the Earth. I note that the current "cruising speed" is about 1,750 mph. At one point, on its journey to the Moon, the figure dropped to about 149 mph, and may have dropped lower before lunar gravity increased it. (I have flown at the same speed in a glider.) On the 5th day of the mission I asked some friends how fast they thought the spacecraft was flying at that time. One suggested 20,000mph, another said 16,000 mph. They were stunned when I quoted the figure (around 180 mph at the time) on the live NASA TV feed.

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I don't think that the information on NASA's "AROW" app/site is very well presented or explained. Sure, the Moon's average speed in orbit relative Earth is about 2290mph. For lunar orbit and encounters, I think Orion's speed relative the Moon is the quantity of interest, not relative Earth. They haven't stated the dimensions of the DRO, so making good estimates of its speed relative to the Moon is difficult (anyone for a quick set of three body computations?).

On top of that NASA's communications staff keep putting out wildly different sets of numbers. I think for future missions, they need to put out a press kit that's less glossy and gee whiz, and more hard tech.

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quote:
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I think for future missions, they need to put out a press kit that's less glossy and gee whiz, and more hard tech.
Totally agree. And bring back some of the things they did back in shuttle, like daily event timelines and prelaunch orbital elements to follow the mission by. If they're wanting me to be excited about Artemis like they put on I should, then put out some good info, stop reading Twitter to me, cut out the fluff, get rid of the talking heads, and stick to the subject at hand, then everyone will learn something. Thing were much better in the Hugh Harris and George Diller days, so why can’t the same be done today? I was very happy when they started the video streaming, but going for days without a word or anything to see, well...


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