Space News
space history and artifacts articles

Messages
space history discussion forums

Sightings
worldwide astronaut appearances

Resources
selected space history documents

  collectSPACE: Messages
  Exploration: Moon to Mars
  [Discuss] NASA's Artemis I mission (Orion) (Page 10)

Post New Topic  Post A Reply
profile | register | preferences | faq | search


This topic is 10 pages long:   1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9  10 
next newest topic | next oldest topic
Author Topic:   [Discuss] NASA's Artemis I mission (Orion)
Robert Pearlman
Editor

Posts: 51365
From: Houston, TX
Registered: Nov 1999

posted 02-20-2023 10:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by GACspaceguy:
For me it sounded just like a Shuttle launch...
American Institute of Physics release
The roar and crackle of Artemis I

Measurements taken at locations around the launch pad revealed noise levels as high as 136 decibels from 1.5 km away

When the Artemis I mission was launched by NASA's Space Launch System, SLS, in November, it became the world's most powerful rocket, exceeding the thrust of the previous record holder, Saturn , by 13%. With liftoff came a loud roar heard miles away.

In JASA Express Letters, published on behalf of the Acoustical Society of America by AIP Publishing, researchers from Brigham Young University and Rollins College in Florida reported noise measurements during the launch at different locations around Kennedy Space Center.

The data collected can be used to validate existing noise prediction models, which are needed to protect equipment as well as the surrounding environment and community. These data will be useful as more powerful lift vehicles, including the SLS series, are developed.

"We hope these early results will help prevent the spread of possible misinformation, as happened with the Saturn V," author Kent Gee said. "Numerous websites and discussion forums suggested sound levels that were far too high, with inaccurate reports of the Saturn V's sound waves melting concrete and causing grass fires."

The combination of nighttime darkness, humidity, and backlighting provided a rare opportunity to view propagating pressure waves, which can be seen in the accompanying video.

Artemis I was launched with four liquid hydrogen-oxygen engines plus two solid-fuel rocket boosters (SRBs). According to the authors, the SRBs are likely the dominant noise source during liftoff.

The investigators studied recordings at microphones located 1.5 km to 5.2 km from the launch pad. All stations were outside the blast danger area. Maximum noise levels at all five stations exceeded those predicted in a preliminary assessment.

At 1.5 km from the pad, the maximum noise level reached 136 decibels. At a 5.2 km distance, the noise was 129 decibels, nearly 20 decibels higher than predicted by a prelaunch noise model.

"This suggests a need to revisit and probably revise those models," author Grant Hart said.

A procedure known as A-weighting is often used to assess the impact of noise on humans. Because we don't hear as well in some frequency ranges as others, a filter is applied to emphasize the sounds we do hear. Using this method, the investigators found noise levels at 5.2 km from the launchpad were about as loud as a chainsaw.

A characteristic feature of rocket launches is a crackling sound from shock waves. These shocks represent instantaneous sound pressure increases that are much louder than crackling noises encountered in everyday life.

Author Whitney Coyle said, "We found the Artemis I noise level at 5 km had a crackling quality about 40 million times greater than a bowl of Rice Krispies."

"Although this study is an important step forward, we still have a long way to go to understand everything about the generation, propagation, and perception of rocket noise," Gee said.

Blackarrow
Member

Posts: 3639
From: Belfast, United Kingdom
Registered: Feb 2002

posted 02-20-2023 10:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Blackarrow     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
SLS did not become the most powerful rocket to be launched. The thrust of Russia's N1 rocket was significantly higher at lift-off (I believe around 10 million pounds). Of course SLS is the most powerful rocket to reach orbit.

As a matter of interest, do we have reliable figures for the decibel-levels at launch of the N1?

I trust the above issues will become academic in the next few weeks, depending on developments at Boca Chica, Texas.

Space Cadet Carl
Member

Posts: 305
From: Lake Orion, MI
Registered: Feb 2006

posted 02-21-2023 01:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Space Cadet Carl   Click Here to Email Space Cadet Carl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I recall persons watching a Saturn V launch from the VIP viewing area next to the VAB said the Saturn V produced a low frequency staccato that could be felt as a thumping in your chest and in your feet from three miles away. I wonder if those old F-1 kerosene fueled engines had a different frequency response pattern than today's solid rocket boosters?

David C
Member

Posts: 1417
From: Lausanne
Registered: Apr 2012

posted 02-21-2023 03:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for David C     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Very different. Ken Mattingly is on YouTube somewhere commenting on the difference between Shuttle and Saturn V.

Gordon Eliot Reade
Member

Posts: 261
From: California
Registered: Jun 2015

posted 02-25-2023 11:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gordon Eliot Reade   Click Here to Email Gordon Eliot Reade     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Two weeks ago NASA released some new and absolutely stunning video of the launch. One of the things I noticed is that even when viewed close up the Saturn V had the look of a finished vehicle. Gleaming black and white.

The SLS is also beautiful but it looks something like a work in progress. Splotchy paintwork, exposed plumbing and equipment that appears to have been added on as an afterthought.

But for all that it's still amazing. It's a knockout.

OLDIE
Member

Posts: 365
From: Portsmouth, England
Registered: Sep 2004

posted 02-26-2023 08:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for OLDIE     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Great video. Very useful for model makers in accurately positioning some of the markings.

Gordon Eliot Reade
Member

Posts: 261
From: California
Registered: Jun 2015

posted 03-04-2023 06:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gordon Eliot Reade   Click Here to Email Gordon Eliot Reade     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This video show multiple views of engine ignition and may be even more impressive. I've never seen the water deluge system quite so clear.

GACspaceguy
Member

Posts: 2999
From: Guyton, GA
Registered: Jan 2006

posted 03-04-2023 06:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GACspaceguy   Click Here to Email GACspaceguy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I would really like to see a slow motion close up of the SRB release system. I feel sure there was an engineer somewhere in NASA that wanted that taken.

Robert Pearlman
Editor

Posts: 51365
From: Houston, TX
Registered: Nov 1999

posted 03-04-2023 07:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If by SRB release, you mean a shuttle-style hold-down post (with frangible nut and bolt), then my understanding is there isn't one.

While the space shuttle was light enough that the ignition of the three main engines set the vehicle into motion — necessitating a hold-down system until SRB ignition — SLS is heavy enough that the only thing holding down the vehicle on launch day is gravity.

There is a hold-down system for SLS while the vehicle is being rolled out from (or rolled back to) the Vehicle Assembly Building, but it is manually operated.

GACspaceguy
Member

Posts: 2999
From: Guyton, GA
Registered: Jan 2006

posted 03-04-2023 12:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GACspaceguy   Click Here to Email GACspaceguy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
With that information I wonder what is going on here at the former hold down locations?

Jim Behling
Member

Posts: 1851
From: Cape Canaveral, FL
Registered: Mar 2010

posted 03-04-2023 01:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jim Behling   Click Here to Email Jim Behling     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Where is that photo from? I don't see anything in the new video link at the holddown locations.

GACspaceguy
Member

Posts: 2999
From: Guyton, GA
Registered: Jan 2006

posted 03-04-2023 02:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GACspaceguy   Click Here to Email GACspaceguy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It is a close up snagit from the video.

Robert Pearlman
Editor

Posts: 51365
From: Houston, TX
Registered: Nov 1999

posted 04-14-2023 04:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
NASA released a number of engineering video views of the Artemis I launch:

Robert Pearlman
Editor

Posts: 51365
From: Houston, TX
Registered: Nov 1999

posted 11-16-2023 11:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
NASA video
At 1:47 a.m. EST (6:47 UTC) on Nov. 16, 2022, NASA's Orion spacecraft launched atop the SLS (Space Launch System) rocket from historic Launch Pad 39B at NASA's Kennedy Space Center in Florida on a path to the Moon, officially beginning the Artemis I mission.

Over the course of 25.5 days, Orion performed two lunar flybys, coming within 80 miles (129 kilometers) of the lunar surface. At its farthest distance during the mission, Orion traveled nearly 270,000 miles (435,000 kilometers) from our home planet. On Dec. 11, 2022, NASA's Orion spacecraft successfully completed a parachute-assisted splashdown in the Pacific Ocean at 9:40 a.m. PST (12:40 p.m. EST) as the final major milestone of the Artemis I mission.

Artemis I set new performance records, exceeded efficiency expectations, and established new safety baselines for humans in deep space. This is a prelude to what comes next—following the success of Artemis I, human beings will fly around the Moon on Artemis II.

We have demonstrated our ability to go farther and faster than ever before, opening the door to explore Mars and other destinations throughout the solar system. This is the story of Artemis I.


This topic is 10 pages long:   1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9  10 

All times are CT (US)

next newest topic | next oldest topic

Administrative Options: Close Topic | Archive/Move | Delete Topic
Post New Topic  Post A Reply
Hop to:

Contact Us | The Source for Space History & Artifacts

Copyright 2023 collectSPACE.com All rights reserved.


Ultimate Bulletin Board 5.47a





advertisement