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Topic: Astronaut Scholarship Foundation's Autograph & Memorabilia Show 2011
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xlsteve
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posted 10-05-2011 08:18 AM
   
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Originally posted by music_space:
...That will disambiguate any spelling issues.
My skill in vocabulary has increased by one point as result of that post. |
gliderpilotuk
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posted 10-05-2011 09:03 AM
Or you could just say "clear up"  |
music_space
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posted 10-05-2011 10:51 PM
I must have seen "disambiguate" somewhere in a NASA, or related, publication. Most of my English vocabulary has come from such litterature for many years now! |
GACspaceguy
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From: Guyton, GA
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posted 10-07-2011 11:16 AM
I see where Buzz's fees are posted on the site. $400 for a basic signature. The other columns say "will be posted at signing table" |
ASF1984
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posted 10-07-2011 02:38 PM
Correct. Buzz's other fees will be displayed at the show. Everyone else's are posted on our site, except Gene Cernan. We'll have his up ASAP. |
JasonB
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posted 10-07-2011 03:02 PM
If someone was going to the show and wanted to be enterprising, or simply meet the astronauts for free, they could put listings on Ebay to get a persons item signed for the cost of the autograph. That way they can meet and get their picture with the astronaut and someone who cant go gets their item(s) signed. Just a thought. |
Hart Sastrowardoyo
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posted 10-07-2011 03:16 PM
I believe that happened in regards to the last Spacefest. I recall seeing eBay listings from someone who offered to get stuff signed a little above cost plus postage. |
Skyguy48
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Registered: Jun 2011
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posted 10-09-2011 05:02 PM
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Originally posted by Linn LeBlanc:
We really appreciate your support and all of us in the office are working hard to ensure you have the best time possible!
In April 2010, I came over especially for the Charlie Duke signing along with the Lovell and Haise talks. I was prepared to seek out every available moonwalker and come to them were ever they would be and get their signature. Then I came across the Astronaut Scholarship Foundation site by pure accident and discovered I could find most moonwalkers in one place. Thank you Linn and crew for saving me a fortune and putting together a "moonwalking heaven" for us all. |
MikeSpace
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posted 10-11-2011 08:33 PM
Anyone have any experience with astronuats signing items as 'Flown' at the ASF AAMS? Meaning, I have a flown Apollo 8 item I acquired from Spaceflori, with multiple COAs from Florian.I'd love to have Capt. Lovell sign 'Flown on Apollo 8' on the page. Inscribed as such or not, it will look awesome with his signature on it. Can't believe it's less than a month away. |
MCroft04
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posted 10-11-2011 09:04 PM
My experience is that having the COA from a respectable dealer is the ticket. If it is legit, the astro will most likley remember it. At least I hope that is the case. |
NC Apollo Fan
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posted 10-11-2011 09:17 PM
I recall reading (here on collectSPACE) that Lovell is very hit or miss when it comes to certifying items as 'flown' at autograph shows - even if you have the accompanying documentation. I believe that he refused to sign an Apollo 8 flight plan page even though it had the Spaceflori COA, etc. |
fredtrav
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From: Birmingham AL
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posted 10-11-2011 09:41 PM
If you don't ask the answer is no, so give it a try. |
David Carey
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posted 10-11-2011 11:02 PM
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Originally posted by NC Apollo Fan:
I recall reading (here on collectSPACE) that Lovell is very hit or miss when it comes to certifying items as 'flown' at autograph shows - even if you have the accompanying documentation.
You can read some of the certification signing experiences (including one of my own) here. |
alanh_7
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From: Ajax, Ontario, Canada
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posted 10-12-2011 07:23 AM
I recall at the 2009 show seeing Jim Lovell refuse to sign someones checklist. I did not catch the reason.At the same time at last years show I had a friends Apollo 13 checklist and he signed without any issues. |
AJ
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posted 10-12-2011 11:39 AM
It definitely depends on the provenance and if you have the proof with you. He is very nice about it, but obviously wants to be careful about signing something as being flown if there's a chance it hasn't been. |
ilbasso
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posted 10-12-2011 01:56 PM
For me, he signed a checklist page from Apollo 8 but would not write "flown" on it since I had not purchased it directly from him, even though I had documentation about its provenance. |
mjanovec
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posted 10-12-2011 02:16 PM
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Originally posted by NC Apollo Fan:
I believe that he refused to sign an Apollo 8 flight plan page even though it had the Spaceflori COA, etc.
I can totally understand Lovell's position on this issue. Unless the item came from his own collection and he has a clear chain-of-custody of who has owned the item since he let it go, he isn't going to assume an item is flown just because there is a third party COA with the item. This is doubly so if the artifact has been pieced apart or altered. (He might recognize a complete checklist, but may not recognize individual pages once that checklist is taken apart.) To him, a Spaceflori COA is probably meaningless. He also knows that if he signs something as "flown" that later is found not to be flown, his own reputation could take a serious hit. Simply put, the best time to get an astronaut certification for a flown item is when the astronaut releases it from their collection. |
NC Apollo Fan
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posted 10-12-2011 07:05 PM
I can understand his position as well, and I did not mean to come off as being critical in my post. He is doing a great service to all of us who own flown artifacts by being cautious. I only mentioned what I did because if you are traveling a great distance hoping to have a checklist page (etc.) certified as flown you should be aware that he may refuse to do it. |
gliderpilotuk
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posted 10-13-2011 05:57 AM
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Originally posted by mjanovec:
I can totally understand Lovell's position on this issue.
Yes, but in this case he had signed exactly the same sheets as "flown", based on the same presented evidence, for someone else at an earlier show. Whilst he's free to pick and choose what he decides to sign, the lack of consistency is irritating. |
Dave Clow
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From: South Pasadena, CA 91030
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posted 10-14-2011 12:32 PM
My two cents: I stay away from "flown" items because they tend to be overpriced and volatile in ROI. Doubts cast on one flown item affect all flown items, and if there is a vulnerability in the hobby that could negatively affect the long-term value of everything we have, it's there. I don't want to witness some scandal about questionable authenticity that compromises whole collections. |
freshspot
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posted 10-15-2011 04:03 AM
Dave Clow - compared to the "vulnerability" of questionable autographs being bought and sold, in my opinion flown items are much safer as long as you are careful. I got so fed up with the fake Armstrong police and people saying that sigs are "bad" on this forum that I sold all my autographs except a few I picked up in person at the ASF and other shows. I think that the "experts" did me a great service - they made me question why I was collecting autographs and caused me to stop completely about 5 years ago. Dave Scott (not the astronaut)
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rjurek349
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posted 10-15-2011 09:25 AM
David - very good points. I often feel the same way. On autographs -- I go more for vintage documents, and long script pieces; on flown artifacts, I go for more substantial, and iron-clad provenance pieces. All angles of the hobby -- autographs, covers, art, flown artifacts, patches, etc. have their forgeries and fakes. Just like in coin collecting, stamp collecting, art collecting -- heck, even sporting event ticket buying. Each area of collecting presents its own risks... and in a weird way, it is what makes collecting fun: learning the tricks of the trade and the nuances of the hobby. Like you, I am partial to flown artifacts (but will snap up a great historical document or vintage signed item, if the context and price are right). |
mjanovec
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posted 10-15-2011 10:51 AM
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Originally posted by freshspot:
I got so fed up with the fake Armstrong police and people saying that sigs are "bad" on this forum that I sold all my autographs except a few I picked up in person at the ASF and other shows.
Why did you get fed up with people offering opinions about autographs? Surely there are plenty of fakes out there. Should people have kept quiet about them and let them continue to be bought and sold? Would you have the same attitude about "experts" who offer their opinions about flown items? Too often the attitude around here is to shoot the messenger. Someone buys a bad autograph without advice, tries to re-sell it, finds out it's a forgery, and blames the "experts" for all of their problems. They really should be blaming themselves. |
Dave Clow
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From: South Pasadena, CA 91030
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posted 10-15-2011 11:08 AM
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Originally posted by freshspot:
Compared to the "vulnerability" of questionable autographs being bought and sold, in my opinion flown items are much safer as long as you are careful.
Given the volume of autographs being delivered with unimpeachable provenance in person at venues such as ASF and Spacefest, I'd guess that the question of forgery might have largely disappeared for the astronauts who appear regularly. Armstrong has and always will be faked because the demand always exceeds supply, but there doesn't see much point to forging an astronaut whose real signature is easily obtained for a reasonable price. To each his own; I was merely stating my own preferences as you stated yours. |
walkerj6
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posted 10-15-2011 12:39 PM
On another note... 19 days! |
xlsteve
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posted 10-16-2011 04:54 PM
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Originally posted by walkerj6:
On another note... 19 days!
Now there's something I can agree with! So, as far as the unofficial collectSPACE gathering, I'll be on Thursday, so I'm up for Thurs, Fri and/or Saturday or some combination thereof. My suggestion would be to set a time to meet in the bar/lobby, and go from there. |
Skyguy48
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posted 10-16-2011 05:49 PM
Glad you brought the subject up, I was thinking about it today. What's the deal with the name tags? Is a cS member making some or they coming from ASF? It's a great idea to get all us guys together for an intro, but since not all of us are going to arrive at same time I imagine it will be a kinda stop/start affair.I won't land till 6:30 p.m. (Thurs). By the time I get car at MCO I will probably arrive at the Cape 7:45pm like a wee lost soul in need of a friendly name tag.  |
Greggy_D
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posted 10-16-2011 06:50 PM
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Originally posted by Skyguy48:
What's the deal with the name tags? Is a cS member making some or they coming from ASF?
Wondering the same. Last I heard, the ASF is going to produce them. Is it for package buyers only? Or do single day prepaid admission buyers also get them? |
ColinBurgess
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Registered: Sep 2003
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posted 10-16-2011 08:22 PM
Just a reminder to my fellow collectSPACERs that I will be attending the ASF event in two weeks, and will happily sign - without charge - any of my books or Outward Odyssey series volumes, so bring them along. My old mate and co-author Francis French will also be there to countersign our books. The ASF has told me that they are working with the Space Shop at KSC to ensure copies of the OO books are available for sale at the AAMS, and hopefully they will also have stocks of my new book, "Selecting the Mercury Seven: The Search for America's First Astronauts." However I will NOT have any stocks of the specially-signed inserts signed by those seven Mercury candidates; these are ONLY available by contacting Steve Hankow at Farthest Reaches, and by contract can only be sold as part of a book/insert package. I will be signing all 300 copies of the book on my arrival in Los Angeles on 1 November, so Steve will begin packaging and shipping these ASAP after the signing session. Looking forward to meeting many old and new chums in a tad over two weeks. |
MCroft04
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posted 10-16-2011 09:29 PM
Colin, If I bring all of your books, the plane will not make it off the ground! Looking forward to seeing you there, |
walkerj6
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posted 10-16-2011 11:03 PM
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Originally posted by xlsteve:
My suggestion would be to set a time to meet in the bar/lobby, and go from there.
I'm getting in a little bit later - Will not be at the hotel until about 6 p.m. Friday night. I'm flying into Tampa Friday afternoon then driving from there. |
Nigel Mc
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posted 10-17-2011 09:43 AM
Any word on Gene Cernan's fee? |
Daugherty54
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posted 10-17-2011 10:15 AM
Cernan has been at $175 for some time. I assume it will remain at that... |
Skyguy48
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Registered: Jun 2011
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posted 10-17-2011 05:34 PM
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Originally posted by benfairfax:
Does anyone have ideas on the best autographs to get?
I have been in agony trying to decide who and what to get signed.  |
Skyguy48
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posted 10-17-2011 06:01 PM
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Originally posted by Greggy_D:
Last I heard, the ASF is going to produce them.
Not really sure how it goes with who gets tags and who does not, but I would imagine it would be quite a task to supply everyone with a tag whoever is making them up. Between all the packages and all the single day tickets that would be more than a few hundred people. So I would guess it would be only the package tickets for tags. |
MikeSpace
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posted 10-17-2011 10:26 PM
The ASF had our names on the tags at the Apollo 15 40th anniversary event. The ASF said they will have names on the tags of at least some of the levels, I imagine Platinum Plus and Platinum. I do not see, anywhere, however, anything about the ASF making tags having anything to do with ID-ing those from collectSPACE. Please correct me if wrong. I suggest, when in groups, which is often, speak up and ask, any collectSPACE people here? |
xlsteve
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posted 10-18-2011 08:01 AM
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Originally posted by MikeSpace:
I suggest, when in groups, which is often, speak up and ask, any collectSPACE people here?
Maybe we could all wear crimson ascots or something. |
music_space
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posted 10-18-2011 08:03 AM
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Originally posted by xlsteve:
Maybe we could all wear crimson ascots or something.
... or wear "Max Peck" nametags? |
ASF1984
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posted 10-18-2011 09:12 AM
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Originally posted by Skyguy48:
So I would guess it would be only the package tickets for tags.
ASF will be making badges for all platinum plus and platinum package holders. |
Nigel Mc
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posted 10-18-2011 10:06 AM
Any word on when/where/how we pick up tickets? It's just I am leaving in six days for this and will not have guaranteed internet access to check. Thank you very much. |
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