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posted 08-16-2013 09:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LM-12     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You can see in photo 8512 that the spotlight was in the deployed position at SM separation. The spotlight was located on the opposite side of the SM from the damaged area, but it might have struck debris if the spacecraft was rotating in the passive thermal control (PTC) roll mode at the time of the explosion.

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posted 08-31-2013 01:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LM-12     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In Apollo 13 photo 8526, you can see three objects that form a triangle: the moon, the SM after separation, and a white object that may or may not be a piece of debris drifting away. It looks like a piece of debris to me.

There are similar white objects in photos 8516, 8536 and 8538.

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posted 09-11-2013 11:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LM-12     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Apollo 10 mobile launcher was on pad B when Apollo 11 rolled out to pad A. Apollo 10 had launched two days earlier.

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Oh, the days when you could prepare two vehicles at once...

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posted 09-12-2013 04:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LM-12     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There is a LIFE magazine photo showing the same rollout from a different angle.

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posted 10-31-2013 12:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LM-12     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Is that the bubble helmet of Neil Armstrong in the LM overhead rendezvous window in NASA photo AS11-44-6568?

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Here is an enlarged image to make it easier to see:

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Could be Armstrong in the rendezvous window, the lighting on the "bubble helmet" in from the right direction.

I have always been convinced I can see Armstrong in his window in Apollo image AS11-44-6598HR but I'm yet to convince anyone, lol. The lower part in the window could either be the window blind or part of Armstongs suit, then Armstrong behind it.

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posted 11-01-2013 09:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LM-12     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That's a tough one. I see what looks like the window shade, but I can't make out anything else in the window. And thanks for posting the close-up, jimsz.

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posted 11-02-2013 11:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LM-12     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Earth with the Apollo 8 S-IVB third stage almost out-of-frame at right.

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The Apollo 10 mobile launcher was on pad B when Apollo 11 rolled out to pad A. Apollo 10 had launched two days earlier.
It would have been so great to see two Saturn Vs outside the VAB at the same time. Was AS-506 intentionally kept inside the VAB until AS-505 launched?

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It was probably a good idea to keep Apollo 11 inside until Apollo 10 was safely launched.

I think photo S69-27089 is incorrectly identified as Apollo 10. ML-2 can be seen in the photo. Apollo 10 was on ML-3.

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posted 11-07-2013 07:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for One Big Monkey     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I recently came across this one taken in orbit by Apollo 16 when I was looking for something.

I got a much higher quality version from here to see what the distant speck was and got this:

Looks like an ascent module saying goodbye!

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Here is frame 19537 from Apollo 16, so I would agree that frame 19555 probably is the LM ascent stage at a distance.

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Here is a high-res photo of the Apollo 10 LM ascent stage in lunar orbit. One of the gold covers on the hatch door is open and you can see the door latch handle.

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The Apollo 13 SPS engine nozzle, high-gain antenna and some debris can be seen at top left and almost out-of-frame in high-res photo AS13-59-8508.

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Looks like Dave Scott did not have the red CDR stripes on his backpack.

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I think the stripes on his backpack are in fact velcro.

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Hard to tell in the black and white photos. I don't think there is a good colour photo showing that area of his backpack.

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I would imagine Dave Scott's backpack stripes (had he any) would have been the same as John Young's on Apollo 16. They were pretty unmistakable... either side of stars and stripes.

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posted 11-18-2013 12:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LM-12     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Alan Shepard did not have the red CDR stripes on his backpack either.

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Gemini 7 photo S65-63771 was taken on Dec 12 at 187:28 GET as the spacecraft flew over Cape Canaveral on orbit 118. Borman and Lovell were passing over the Cape when the Gemini 6 abort occurred.

From the mission commentary transcripts:

Flight: Hey 7 this is Houston Cap Com. Can you give us an account of what you actually saw during the attempt of GT-6 launch?

S/C: ... garbled ...

Flight: Roger. Can you again give us a short account of what you saw during GT-6 attempted launch?

S/C: Roger. We were right over the Cape area. We saw everything go, ignition and everything. We were just photographing with the 16 mm and the 70 mm ... garbled.

Flight: Roger, Jim.

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On Apollo 17, the right-rear fender extension of the LRV was accidentally broken off during EVA-1. That was at the LM site.

The right-rear fender extension also broke off the LRV on Apollo 16. It seems to have broken off during EVA-2 somewhere between Station 8 and Station 9.

Photo 17669 shows the fender extension still attached at Station 8. Photo 17728 shows the fender extension missing at Station 9.

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Looking at those 13 pics. there are a LOT of details when zooming in!

The debris on Aquarius is DEFINITELY some kind of deposit on the area around the right-side antennas because the matter casts shadows. Doubtful given the spray-like dispersion pattern that it is just a peeling paint type thing. The photo of the spotlight pole actually shows some kind of fibrous material that has wrapped around the pole, it almost certainly has to be debris from the explosion like wiring or insulation that has shredded and gotten entangled on the stub of the pole.

Also... photos showing the inside of the SPS bell show a surprising amount of wear and exhaust residue, to my untrained eyes anyway, given that that engine was only fired once or twice for midcourse correction burns. It looks more like an engine that had sustained a long firing (LOI). It would be interesting to compare those 13 shots with some taken from a LM at rendezvous where the inside of the bell after an LOI firing is visible.

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You can see debris around the LM S-band steerable antenna in the Apollo 13 LM jettison photo that I linked earlier.

When the CSM and LM are docked, I think that the LM S-band antenna and the damaged SM bay 4 are on the same side.

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Which Apollo 12 moonwalker is seen in frame 7010, and what object at the MESA is reflecting his image?

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Looks like a red name tag on the front of the suit on 7010 so I'd say Conrad.

Also a lot of the preceding images were a pan featuring Conrad and that frame 7011 was taken from the LM looking out, and Bean entered first.

It may not be an object reflection, just two accidental shutters releases as Bean climbed the ladder.

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It looks to me like a reflection because the flag is on his right shoulder.

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Looking further into the transcripts, you may be right regarding the reflection. Conrad was at the MESA at the time closing up the first "rock box" sample return container. It may be a reflection from the MESA thermal covering that the crew unfolded earlier in the EVA? Bean then dumps the camera in the transfer bag to be returned to the LM.

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Here is an Apollo 12 EVA training photo that shows a sample return container. Note the mirror-like surface of the container.

So I would say that frame 7010 shows the reflection of Conrad in the metallic cover of the Apollo Lunar Sample Return Container.

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Each lunar landing used two sample return containers. Some of the containers were re-used on later flights.


  • ALSRC #1009 was used on Apollo 12 and Apollo 16
  • ALSRC #1006 was used on Apollo 14 and Apollo 17
  • ALSRC #1007 was used on Apollo 14 and Apollo 17

This catalog has a detailed list of the lunar surface tools and containers.

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What other Apollo items were re-used and flown on later flights?

Not sure if the Sample Collection Bags were re-used, but the catalog shows some of the serial numbers on more than one flight:

  • SCB #1 on Apollo 15 16 and 17
  • SCB #4 on Apollo 16 and 17
  • SCB #5 on Apollo 15 and 17
  • ESCB #6 on Apollo 16 and 17
  • ESCB #8 on Apollo 16 and 17

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Am I right in thinking that the rescue vehicle 2 that can be seen in the Gemini 3 photo may be of the same sort used for Space Shuttle launch ops?
Here is one of the new MRAP rescue vehicles that will replace the M-113 armored personnel carriers.

Editor's note: Discussion of the MRAP vehicles can be found here.

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On Apollo 17, the right-rear fender extension of the LRV was accidentally broken off during EVA-1.
The loss of the rear fender extension was serious. Moon dust would be thrown up in a rooster-tail effect, covering the men, their visors, electronic gear and camera equipment. It had to be repaired or EVA 2 and 3 would be endangered.

During their rest period, Mission Control devised a fix using the limited materials available in the LM. John Young radioed instructions on how a temporary fender could be made. Cernan wrote instruction notes on the blank 50th page of his cuff checklist;

15 x 19 TAPE
BOTH SIDES - TAPE X
ROLL ON LONG AXIS - TAB
UTILITY CLAMPS
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OF AXLE - OUTBOARD
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It worked!

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When the Apollo 17 LRV was parked at the end of EVA-3, that repaired section of the right-rear fender was missing. The left-rear fender extension was also missing. That can be seen in frame 21933.

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To quote a display at the Kansas Cosmosphere:
At the conclusion of the Apollo 17 mission, Commander Gene Cernan removed these fenders from the LRV and returned them back to Earth.
And to quote a display at the National Air and Space Museum:
This is a substitute fender extension made by astronauts Eugene Cernan and Harrison Schmitt after the original fender on the lunar roving vehicle broke during the Apollo 17 mission in December 1972. The fender was made by taping four lunar maps together as a replacement for the broken fender to prevent large quantities of lunar soil from covering the astronauts and the vehicle while in use.

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The Apollo 15 LRV lost the left-front fender extension on EVA-1. This can be seen in frame 11602.

The photo also shows a good view of the ALSRC at the MESA.

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An armrest was one of the items jettisoned from the LM cabin on Apollo 17 and left on the lunar surface. It can be seen in this photo taken from the LMP window after EVA-3. It looks like a right armrest.

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John Young has a four-leaf clover on his spacesuit in this Apollo 16 training photo taken at KSC in April 1972. Photo number is 72-H-427.

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Why did Apollo 12 seem to take so many pictures in black and white compared to the other missions?

I believe I remember reading somewhere that black & white film was specifically requested by geologists because it shows variations in the the lunar soil much better than color film. That's why Apollo 12 used B&W film on EVA 2 and Apollo 15 used B&W film on EVA 1. I believe everyone exccept the Apollo 11 crew used B&W during their EVA's. Some used it more than others.

Yes, they oould have just printed the color photos in B&W, but that's not the same thing. They needed the geologic variations to show up in the film itself to get a truer understanding of what was actually there. Such details would not have shown up in color film.


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