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mjanovec
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posted 02-06-2008 02:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mjanovec   Click Here to Email mjanovec     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Robert Pearlman:
A Beta cloth flag would not, but a nylon flag, like the type typically seen on flown flag presentations, would. The GT-IV crew did not wear embroidered U.S. flags.
Which begs the question... did the Gemini IV crew specifically have someone make up the flags for this mission... or did they just utilize some flags that were already available for other purposes for wearing on their spacesuits?

Bill Hunt
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posted 02-07-2008 02:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bill Hunt   Click Here to Email Bill Hunt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by mjanovec:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Beta cloth never flew on Gemini. So it would hardly be a suitable substitution.
Of course, you're right. You get my point though. All that's required is to find out what material the flag that WAS flown was made of - perhaps nylon - and you've got the best approximation. An embroidered flag wouldn't be an accurate replica. As such, my feeling was that the embroidered patch that's on display in McDivitt's showcase at Michigan's Own Military & Space Museum would be more appropriate for the GT4 part of the embroidered patch replica project, much like the Molly Brown patch was for GT3.

Perhaps we can research the flag that was flown on their spacesuits, and try to find an accurate replica, to accompany the embroidered patches as part of this effort?

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posted 02-07-2008 02:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GoesTo11   Click Here to Email GoesTo11     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree with Bill. I really like the GT-4 emblem shown earlier on this thread. Anyone who wants to substitute a US flag, in a framed display for example, could do so quite easily.

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posted 02-17-2008 08:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TheHammer2   Click Here to Email TheHammer2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This sounds like a worthy venture, please add my name to the list of purchasers, thank you.

astroborg
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posted 04-24-2008 06:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for astroborg   Click Here to Email astroborg     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Any news to report on the Gemini set?

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posted 04-24-2008 12:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NAAmodel#240   Click Here to Email NAAmodel#240     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This may have been covered previously but are we satisfied that there is a reasonable way to distinguish these repros from the real thing? In the age of eBay I cringe when I see the Apollo 12 checklist repro or Riser fake space event covers. How about a red rubber stamp on the back that says "join collectSPACE today"?

KSCartist
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posted 05-28-2008 03:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KSCartist   Click Here to Email KSCartist     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The question begs to be asked:

What does this do to the cS Gemini patch project? Luc, what do you think?

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posted 05-28-2008 04:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for spaced out   Click Here to Email spaced out     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't see that it makes any difference. Rather it neatly fills a gap, just like the Molly Brown patch did.

Neither of these patches is a replica of an original Gemini crew patch (the original Molly Brown patch having been created after the fact) so the project still remains to be started.

What these two patches have shown is that AB Emblem are apparently capable of doing a good job at creating a limited edition patch run so they seem like a good candidate for doing the work.

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posted 05-29-2008 08:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KAPTEC   Click Here to Email KAPTEC     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by KSCartist:
What does this do to the cS Gemini patch project?
I like the Novaspace patch but... it wasn't the Gemini 4 patch. They only used the American Flag as their own one. And that is the real thing.

In the Gemini cS Collection (it's only my opinion, beg your pardon) GT-4 must be represented by the Stripes and Stars patch.

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posted 06-04-2008 05:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for embangloy   Click Here to Email embangloy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by spaced out:
I don't see that it makes any difference. Rather it neatly fills a gap, just like the Molly Brown patch did.
Although not initially used as the patch and a coin minted with the same liking of the image, my two cents is that this would be the supplemental "fill in" for the Gemini set. What more could be asked, Gen. McDivitt praises the patch and seems to endorse it. CPT. John Young's Gemini 3 patch manifested itself in the same way.

My note to the purist, if those that want the American Flag patch, more power to you. They are available.

Space Emblem Art
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posted 09-25-2008 07:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Space Emblem Art   Click Here to Email Space Emblem Art     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Any status for us on this project? Has it died?

embangloy
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posted 10-06-2008 07:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for embangloy   Click Here to Email embangloy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Space Emblem Art:
Any status for us on this project? Has it died?
Seems so. It seems that more collectors are into the commemorative patches (IMHO). As far as replicas, I would be happy if the project went as far as only the Gemini 7, 9, and 10 were faithfully made to the original specs.

lucspace
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posted 10-13-2008 08:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lucspace   Click Here to Email lucspace     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Still alive! But time has this annoying tendency to get away from you...

I still want to produce these reproductions, but I would like to know if there's any point in including Gem 3 and 4 in 'our' set as these have been beautifully reproduced recently, and I don't see how we can improve on those.

Also, I would like to propose producing the set patch by patch, like Tim is doing. Otherwise it would entail quite a risk prefinancing the lot.

Any opinions?

KAPTEC
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posted 10-13-2008 09:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KAPTEC   Click Here to Email KAPTEC     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Tim's way of doing his NASA's 50 years series, patch by patch, is in my opinion better and more secure than making complete series.

(And I believe they must begin on Gemini 5.)

KSCartist
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posted 10-13-2008 11:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KSCartist   Click Here to Email KSCartist     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Good to hear the Gemini set is still alive. I agree one patch at a time is the way to go. Postage is higher as you have multiple mailings but like Jorge said above offering it as a set would be harder financially.

IMHO the GT-3 and GT-4 patches recently offered are not worth re-creating in your set.

What about the Richard Gordon endorsed GTA-11 set that came out in 2006 - will you be re-doing that one?

I'm still in for YOUR set. Looking forward to the progress reports.

Harald Kraenzel
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posted 10-13-2008 12:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Harald Kraenzel   Click Here to Email Harald Kraenzel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Great news.

I agree having no GT-3 and GT-4 patches. We should have the american flag as GT-4 patch as often mentioned.

And it would be more easier managing a one by one patch production.

I am still with you on that series.

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posted 10-13-2008 03:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Space Emblem Art   Click Here to Email Space Emblem Art     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm glad to know the project is still alive. I know what you mean about time getting away from you. That darn real life just gets in the way of our hobbies.

I agree with the others about no need to re-do Gemini 3 and 4. Just start with Gemini 5 through 12. Also, I agree that it would be better to do one patch at a time. It will be easier to pay for all around, particularly in today's (and forseeable) economies around the world. Easier to pay a small amount every so often than to come up with a lump sum.

Please keep us all posted as you continue.

justin13
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posted 10-13-2008 06:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for justin13   Click Here to Email justin13     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'll add my voice to the crowd, and agree on all points. I have a GT-3 patch I'm happy with already, and have an American flag that I prefer for GT-4. Getting Gemini 5-12 one at a time sounds great to me!

Robert Pearlman
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posted 10-13-2008 06:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So if each is to be offered individually, then GT-5 would be the first in the series. Besides being the first crew-designed patch, it also holds the famous distinction of having been altered before launch (covering "8 Days or Bust" with plain cloth).

Not to complicate matters too much and thus feel free to ignore the suggestion, but might there be a way to acknowledge this history by having either a piece of cloth that can be lifted to reveal the slogan underneath, or could the wagon be covered in a translucent gauze-like fabric, thus you could see the red text beneath while still showing that it was hidden for the flight?

GoesTo11
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posted 10-14-2008 12:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GoesTo11   Click Here to Email GoesTo11     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Glad to hear this project is still kicking. I have the GT-3 patch as well as the Novaspace GT-4 commemorative, so I'm fine with starting with GT-5. (Interesting ideas for that one BTW, Robert. Although I suspect either might complicate things considerably, but I don't know much about the manufacturing process. Either way, I'll go with the group decision.)

I like the idea of one patch at a time, esp. given that I don't have nearly as much discretionary income to devote to my collection as I'd like. I'd still pay for the set up front if necessary, but this seems to be a popular idea.

Thanks again for making this happen!

mjanovec
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posted 10-14-2008 09:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mjanovec   Click Here to Email mjanovec     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My personal recommendation is to reproduce the Gemini V patch the way the astronauts intended it to look. Buyers can then choose to add their own cover to the patch, if they so prefer.

That way, things are much less complicated.

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posted 10-15-2008 11:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for astroborg   Click Here to Email astroborg     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for the update. I'm also in favor of the suggestion of continuing with GT-5, and going one-by-one, paying as we go.

Bill Nelson
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posted 12-01-2008 09:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bill Nelson   Click Here to Email Bill Nelson     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here is my suggestion for what patches to make for the Gemini patch set:
  • Gemini 5
  • Gemini 6: two patches, one GTA 6 with the Gemini and Agena on them as they were to wear on their original mission, and Gemini 6 patch with two Geminis on it that they wore on their flight
  • Gemini 7 both prime crews patch and 'Got a Light' backup patch
  • Gemini 8
  • Gemini 9
  • Gemini 10
  • Gemini 11 prime crew patch and backup patch
  • Gemini 12 patch and Trick or Treat backup patch

lucspace
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posted 02-04-2009 01:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lucspace   Click Here to Email lucspace     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
News about Gemini reproductions expected soon from an unexpected source... stay tuned.

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Will AB Emblem be making new ones? When should we be expecting another update?

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I'm a new guy here and I've been collecting space patches a long time. I would like to add my name list for the Gemini set patches.

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I'd like to know when these are ever going to come out? There's been no updates at all.

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Are there any updates on the Gemini patches? Are they still in the making, will they be available soon?

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posted 03-19-2010 01:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gilbert   Click Here to Email Gilbert     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Did anything ever happen with this project?

lucspace
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posted 03-19-2010 02:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lucspace   Click Here to Email lucspace     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
According to a party that has requested to remain undisclosed, something is to come up within a few months...

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Please put me down for a set when ready! Cheers.

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posted 03-22-2010 10:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Go4Launch   Click Here to Email Go4Launch     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I note this Reproduction Gemini 10 Patch now on eBay. Seller says ten are available.

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I note this Reproduction Gemini 10 Patch now on eBay.
Got 2... Thanks for the heads-up! I'm still in for the cS Gemini set if/when it happens, though.

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I note this Reproduction Gemini 10 Patch now on eBay. Seller says ten are available.
While the design is about right the finish is just that of a typical modern patch.

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posted 03-23-2010 01:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KSCartist   Click Here to Email KSCartist     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That's the challenge isn't it. If the person selling it tried to recreate the stitch of the original patch, he or she might be accused of trying to sell something vintage.

It is a beautiful reproduction but a bit small at 3" isn't it?

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posted 03-23-2010 08:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KAPTEC   Click Here to Email KAPTEC     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Very near to the real one except the Agena, the "X" extremities... and the size, of course.

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posted 03-23-2010 08:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Go4Launch   Click Here to Email Go4Launch     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The actual Gemini X patch is 2 and 15/16" in diameter; I just measured mine.

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I've come late to this thread but my understanding is that a 'patch expert' in the States is in close collaberation with AB Emblems to recreate the Gemini patches and that they will be in production in the not too distant future.

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posted 03-24-2010 11:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kyra   Click Here to Email kyra     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
All 10 in the first batch went in one day! I found another by the same seller.

The Gemini 10 patch is my favorite of all the space patches

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posted 03-24-2010 11:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Another ten were just listed...


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