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Topic: Gemini quality reproductions
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Robert Pearlman
Editor Posts: 13943
From: Houston, TX
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted February 06, 2008 12:56 PM
   
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Originally posted by mjanovec:
Beta cloth never flew on Gemini.
Correct: Beta cloth came into use as a direct result of the Apollo 1 fire. quote:
So it would hardly be a suitable substitution.
A Beta cloth flag would not, but a nylon flag, like the type typically seen on flown flag presentations, would. The GT-IV crew did not wear embroidered U.S. flags.IP: Logged |
mjanovec
Member Posts: 2232
From: Midwest, USA
Registered: Jul 2005
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posted February 06, 2008 02:12 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Robert Pearlman:
A Beta cloth flag would not, but a nylon flag, like the type typically seen on flown flag presentations, would. The GT-IV crew did not wear embroidered U.S. flags.
Which begs the question... did the Gemini IV crew specifically have someone make up the flags for this mission... or did they just utilize some flags that were already available for other purposes for wearing on their spacesuits?IP: Logged |
Bill Hunt
Member Posts: 252
From: Irvine, CA
Registered: Oct 2002
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posted February 07, 2008 02:12 PM
quote:
Originally posted by mjanovec:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Beta cloth never flew on Gemini. So it would hardly be a suitable substitution.
Of course, you're right. You get my point though. All that's required is to find out what material the flag that WAS flown was made of - perhaps nylon - and you've got the best approximation. An embroidered flag wouldn't be an accurate replica. As such, my feeling was that the embroidered patch that's on display in McDivitt's showcase at Michigan's Own Military & Space Museum would be more appropriate for the GT4 part of the embroidered patch replica project, much like the Molly Brown patch was for GT3.Perhaps we can research the flag that was flown on their spacesuits, and try to find an accurate replica, to accompany the embroidered patches as part of this effort? ------------------
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GoesTo11
Member Posts: 128
From: Denver, CO USA
Registered: Jun 2004
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posted February 07, 2008 02:15 PM
I agree with Bill. I really like the GT-4 emblem shown earlier on this thread. Anyone who wants to substitute a US flag, in a framed display for example, could do so quite easily.IP: Logged |
TheHammer2
New Member Posts: 1
From: Queen Valley, AZ USA
Registered: Feb 2008
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posted February 17, 2008 08:41 PM
This sounds like a worthy venture, please add my name to the list of purchasers, thank you.IP: Logged |
astroborg
Member Posts: 112
From: Woodbridge, VA, USA
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted April 24, 2008 06:41 AM
John Berry & Luc:Any news to report on the Gemini set, gentlemen? Rich IP: Logged |
NAAmodel#240
Member Posts: 56
From: Charleston, SC USA
Registered: Jun 2005
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posted April 24, 2008 12:43 PM
This may have been covered previously but are we satisfied that there is a reasonable way to distinguish these repros from the real thing? In the age of eBay I cringe when I see the Apollo 12 checklist repro or Riser fake space event covers. How about a red rubber stamp on the back that says "join collectSPACE today"?IP: Logged |
KSCartist
Member Posts: 1435
From: Titusville, FL USA
Registered: Feb 2005
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posted May 28, 2008 03:40 PM
The question begs to be asked:What does this do to the cS Gemini patch project? Luc, what do you think? Tim IP: Logged |
spaced out
Member Posts: 1447
From: Paris, France
Registered: Aug 2003
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posted May 28, 2008 04:22 PM
I don't see that it makes any difference. Rather it neatly fills a gap, just like the Molly Brown patch did.Neither of these patches is a replica of an original Gemini crew patch (the original Molly Brown patch having been created after the fact) so the project still remains to be started. What these two patches have shown is that AB Emblem are apparently capable of doing a good job at creating a limited edition patch run so they seem like a good candidate for doing the work. IP: Logged |
KAPTEC
Member Posts: 197
From: Madrid, Spain
Registered: Oct 2005
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posted May 29, 2008 08:20 PM
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Originally posted by KSCartist:
What does this do to the cS Gemini patch project?
I like the Novaspace patch but... it wasn't the Gemini 4 patch. They only used the American Flag as their own one. And that is the real thing.In the Gemini cS Collection (it's only my opinion, beg your pardon) GT-4 must be represented by the Stripes and Stars patch. Regards.
Jorge.
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embangloy
Member Posts: 33
From: Hendersonville, TN, USA
Registered: Aug 2007
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posted June 04, 2008 05:24 PM
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Originally posted by spaced out:
I don't see that it makes any difference. Rather it neatly fills a gap, just like the Molly Brown patch did.
Although not initially used as the patch and a coin minted with the same liking of the image, my two cents is that this would be the supplemental "fill in" for the Gemini set. What more could be asked, Gen. McDivitt praises the patch and seems to endorse it. CPT. John Young's Gemini 3 patch manifested itself in the same way.My note to the purist, if those that want the American Flag patch, more power to you. They are available. IP: Logged |
Space Emblem Art
Member Posts: 94
From: Citrus Heights, CA - USA
Registered: Jan 2006
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posted September 25, 2008 07:29 PM
Any status for us on this project? Has it died? Thanks,Bill IP: Logged |
embangloy
Member Posts: 33
From: Hendersonville, TN, USA
Registered: Aug 2007
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posted October 06, 2008 07:11 PM
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Originally posted by Space Emblem Art:
Any status for us on this project? Has it died?
Seems so. It seems that more collectors are into the commemorative patches (IMHO). As far as replicas, I would be happy if the project went as far as only the Gemini 7, 9, and 10 were faithfully made to the original specs.IP: Logged |
lucspace
Member Posts: 164
From: Hilversum, The Netherlands
Registered: Oct 2003
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posted October 13, 2008 08:51 AM
Still alive! But time has this annoying tendency to get away from you...I still want to produce these reproductions, but I would like to know if there's any point in including Gem 3 and 4 in 'our' set as these have been beautifully reproduced recently, and I don't see how we can improve on those. Also, I would like to propose producing the set patch by patch, like Tim is doing. Otherwise it would entail quite a risk prefinancing the lot. Any opinions? IP: Logged |
KAPTEC
Member Posts: 197
From: Madrid, Spain
Registered: Oct 2005
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posted October 13, 2008 09:03 AM
I agree with you Luc. Tim's way of doing his NASA's 50 years serie, patch by patch, is in my opinion better and more secure than making complete series.
(And I believe they must beguin on Gemini 5)Cheers.
Jorge. IP: Logged |
KSCartist
Member Posts: 1435
From: Titusville, FL USA
Registered: Feb 2005
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posted October 13, 2008 11:47 AM
Hey Luc-Good to hear the Gemini set is still alive. I agree one patch at a time is the way to go. Postage is higher as you have multiple mailings but like Jorge said above offering it as a set would be harder financially. IMHO the GT-3 and GT-4 patches recently offered are not worth re-creating in your set. What about the Richard Gordon endorsed GTA-11 set that came out in 2006 - will you be re-doing that one? I'm still in for YOUR set. Looking forward to the progress reports. Tim IP: Logged |
Harald Kraenzel
Member Posts: 150
From: Dinslaken,Germany
Registered: Nov 2005
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posted October 13, 2008 12:13 PM
Hi Luc, great news.I agree having no GT-3 and GT-4 patches. We should have the american flag as GT-4 patch as often mentioned. And it would be more easier managing a one by one patch production. I am still with you on that series,
Harald IP: Logged |
Space Emblem Art
Member Posts: 94
From: Citrus Heights, CA - USA
Registered: Jan 2006
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posted October 13, 2008 03:28 PM
Luc,I'm glad to know the project is still alive. I know what you mean about time getting away from you. That darn real life just gets in the way of our hobbies. I agree with the others about no need to re-do Gemini 3 and 4. Just start with Gemini 5 through 12. Also, I agree that it would be better to do one patch at a time. It will be easier to pay for all around, particularly in today's (and forseeable) economies around the world. Easier to pay a small amount every so often than to come up with a lump sum. Please keep us all posted as you continue. Thanks again, Bill
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justin13
New Member Posts: 7
From: Wichita, KS, U.S.A.
Registered: Aug 2005
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posted October 13, 2008 06:18 PM
I'll add my voice to the crowd, and agree on all points. I have a GT-3 patch I'm happy with already, and have an American flag that I prefer for GT-4. Getting Gemini 5-12 one at a time sounds great to me!IP: Logged |
Robert Pearlman
Editor Posts: 13943
From: Houston, TX
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted October 13, 2008 06:42 PM
So if each is to be offered individually, then GT-5 would be the first in the series. Besides being the first crew-designed patch, it also holds the famous distinction of having been altered before launch (covering "8 Days or Bust" with plain cloth). Not to complicate matters too much and thus feel free to ignore the suggestion, but might there be a way to acknowledge this history by having either a piece of cloth that can be lifted to reveal the slogan underneath, or could the wagon be covered in a translucent gauze-like fabric, thus you could see the red text beneath while still showing that it was hidden for the flight? IP: Logged |
GoesTo11
Member Posts: 128
From: Denver, CO USA
Registered: Jun 2004
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posted October 14, 2008 12:49 PM
My 2c...Glad to hear this project is still kicking. I have the GT-3 patch as well as the Novaspace GT-4 commemorative, so I'm fine with starting with GT-5. (Interesting ideas for that one BTW, Robert. Although I suspect either might complicate things considerably, but I don't know much about the manufacturing process. Either way, I'll go with the group decision.) I like the idea of one patch at a time, esp. given that I don't have nearly as much discretionary income to devote to my collection as I'd like. I'd still pay for the set up front if necessary, but this seems to be a popular idea. Thanks again for making this happen! Kevin IP: Logged |
mjanovec
Member Posts: 2232
From: Midwest, USA
Registered: Jul 2005
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posted October 14, 2008 09:45 PM
My personal recommendation is to reproduce the Gemini V patch the way the astronauts intended it to look. Buyers can then choose to add their own cover to the patch, if they so prefer.That way, things are much less complicated. IP: Logged |
astroborg
Member Posts: 112
From: Woodbridge, VA, USA
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted October 15, 2008 11:26 AM
Luc:Thanks for the update. I'm also in favor of the suggestion of continuing with GT-5, and going one-by-one, paying as we go. -Rich IP: Logged |
Bill Nelson
Member Posts: 16
From: Lakewood, Colorado U.S.A.
Registered: Jul 2006
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posted December 01, 2008 09:04 PM
Here is my suggestion for what patches to make for the Gemini patch set: - Gemini 5
- Gemini 6: two patches, one GTA 6 with the Gemini and Agena on them as they were to wear on their original mission, and Gemini 6 patch with two Geminis on it that they wore on their flight
- Gemini 7 both prime crews patch and 'Got a Light' backup patch
- Gemini 8
- Gemini 9
- Gemini 10
- Gemini 11 prime crew patch and backup patch
- Gemini 12 patch and Trick or Treat backup patch
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