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Robert Pearlman
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posted 02-12-2008 11:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
An HD DVD version has been announced for Region 2 (UK) to be released at the same time as their DVD on March 31.

There's been no word yet (to my knowledge) on a Region 1 version (in either HD DVD or Blu Ray).

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posted 02-13-2008 02:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jay Chladek   Click Here to Email Jay Chladek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Okay, locally in my region (Bellevue, NE) Best Buy did not have it (only available on the website), but Borders bookstores are stocking it for a normal price of $19.99 and a sale sticker that says $16.99. So at least one major distribution chain has it on the shelf.

I picked up a copy. I haven't watched it yet as I was taping the stuff on PBS and the Science Channel tonight instead, but I will. I did watch the film in theaters though (great film).

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Any known on-line retailers that have the DVD in stock?

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I can also confirm the Borders in Roseville, MN had one copy on the shelves (but only one). It was in the "Documentary" section.

I can't vouch for how many copies each store got, but it probably isn't more than a couple of copies per store.

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posted 02-14-2008 12:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jay Chladek   Click Here to Email Jay Chladek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Borders in my area had about 5 or 6 copies, so in the Midwest, they got a few.

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posted 02-14-2008 07:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jacques van Oene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello, is it possible that someone who has this retail DVD can scan its cover for me at HR and then e-mail it to me. I have this DVD now for several months but I have no cover.

Thank you very much!

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posted 02-15-2008 12:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tegwilym   Click Here to Email tegwilym     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Jay Chladek:
The Borders in my area had about 5 or 6 copies, so in the Midwest, they got a few.

I guess I know where I'm going during my lunch break! Maybe I'll get lucky and find my copy.

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posted 02-15-2008 02:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mjanovec   Click Here to Email mjanovec     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
For those willing to wait until the official March release date, Deep Discount has the DVDs for a very low price of $10.31 each (with free shipping to US addresses). I have ordered from these guys in the past and have had good luck with them. Plus, the price is pretty hard to beat!

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Originally posted by mjanovec:
For those willing to wait until the official March release date, Deep Discount has the DVDs for a very low price of $10.31 each

I've bought a lot of DVDs from them. You might check DVDPriceSearch.com for prices from different online vendors.

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posted 02-18-2008 10:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Saturn V     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I purchased the DVD at Best Buy on Saturday. If you can stomach the mis-represented film footage, the interviews are grand and worth the price - $14.99.

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posted 02-18-2008 03:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mjanovec   Click Here to Email mjanovec     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Saturn V:
If you can stomach the mis-represented film footage, the interviews are grand and worth the price - $14.99.

Note that the only truly mis-represented footage that I'm aware of is the film from a Saturn I staging to stand in for the lack of TLI footage.

Elsewhere in the film, the film-makers did substitute footage from different missions to stand in for Apollo 11 (such as lunar liftoff), where footage from Apollo 11 either did not exist or was in-complete. I would not say this was mis-representation, however, since the film-makers did put a disclaimer in the credits noting that substitutions did take place.

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posted 02-19-2008 07:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for garymilgrom   Click Here to Email garymilgrom     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks to knowledge gained on this forum I found a copy of this film at an Atlanta-area Borders Books yesterday and watched it last night.

What a FANTASTIC film this is!! There might be too much emphasis on Mike Collins, but all the astronauts come across as deeply caring people who were moved by their experience. Aldrin in particular talks very honestly and personally about his experiences. Don't miss this film!

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Dittos from me. Due to the tip here on cSpace, I was able to secure a copy at my local Borders. Thanks for the information!

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posted 02-19-2008 03:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for capoetc   Click Here to Email capoetc     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by garymilgrom:
There might be too much emphasis on Mike Collins, ...

I suspect that there is a LOT of film on the cutting room floor (I wish I could get a raw unedited copy of the interviews!), but I am sure they took the best stuff they had. Collins has a very descriptive way of speaking, so ... there's lots of Collins stuff. Certainly ok by me, although I wonder why they didn't also get Mattingly, Gordon, Cunningham, Anders, Stafford, Haise, or Worden to interview? Does anyone know if they asked?

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posted 02-19-2008 11:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mjanovec   Click Here to Email mjanovec     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by capoetc:
Certainly ok by me, although I wonder why they didn't also get Mattingly, Gordon, Cunningham, Anders, Stafford, Haise, or Worden to interview? Does anyone know if they asked?

It appears they concentrated almost solely on the moonwalkers. Only two of the interviewees were non moon-walkers: Jim Lovell and Mike Collins. Lovell was essential, because he could talk about both Apollo 8 and Apollo 13 (plus he's a good interview). Collins was used to represent the CMPs...and since the film focused more on the Apollo 11 than the other missions, they probably wanted the A11 CMP above all others.

I think Collins dominates the film so much because he gave them so much great interview material to work with. In a way, I'm glad about that...since I didn't have a lot of Collins interview footage in my collection before I got this DVD.

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posted 02-20-2008 01:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Blackarrow     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I got confirmation today in my local HMV store that they have 6 copies of the standard DVD on order, for release on 31st March. There will also be a HD-DVD version. I wonder if it's also coming out in Betamax??

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posted 02-22-2008 10:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for nojnj   Click Here to Email nojnj     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If you have Sam's Clubs (similar to Costco, etc.) in your area, you may want to check there. I purchased a copy about a week ago-they had about 15-20 available. It is very well done!!

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posted 02-22-2008 01:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for garymilgrom   Click Here to Email garymilgrom     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If this wonderful movie DOES release on HD-DVD I may buy a player just for it. Yes, it's THAT good!

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Just bought ITSOTM at Sam's Club in the western Chicago suburbs. $12.88 !!!!!!

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posted 02-24-2008 04:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for John Youskauskas     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bonus features:
  • Introduction: Ron Howard
  • Trailer gallery
  • Audio Commentary: David Singleton, Director; David Fairhead, Editor; Chris Riley, Archive Producer
  • Behind The Scenes 'Making Of'
  • Deleted and Extended Scenes: Over 60 minutes of stories from the astronauts and footage from Apollo Missions
  • Featurettes: "Never Before Seen NASA Footage," "Scoring Apollo with composer Philip Sheppard"
The U.S. version that I have does not have the "never before seen" featurette or the "Behind the Scenes." Where did you see this info Robert?

All things considered, this was an extremely well done film. Great interviews and music. Some footage that I, for one, had "never before seen", such as the quick B&W interior shot from Gemini 10 of Young and Collins, and the photo op of Gemini 8 with Armstrong and Scott in their suits outside by the tracking station.

The painstaking task of syncing the audio to the MCC film for Apollo 11 was perfect. You see Duke, Lovell, Slayton, and Haise at the moment of touchdown, one controller start to go nuts, and Slayton motioning for him to "settle down."

The bonus scenes are essentially an entire second half of the film that I'm glad they included.

I hope they do put out more material in the future as past posts have indicated. This film together with "The Wonder of it All" will likely be the last and the best of these types of documentaries.

A worthy project for the next film maker might be to get all of the CMPs together and get the story from their perspective.

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posted 02-24-2008 04:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by John Youskauskas:
The U.S. version that I have does not have the "never before seen" featurette or the "Behind the Scenes." Where did you see this info Robert?
It was among the information released by THINKFilm.

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Since there isn't any "never before seen footage," this isn't a surprise, just more misinformation as before.

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posted 02-25-2008 12:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Saturn V     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I would not say this was mis-representation, however, since the film-makers did put a disclaimer in the credits noting that substitutions did take place.
Does using urine dump footage to represent oxygen leakage for the Apollo 13 portion of the film constitute mis-representation? I would think it would be better to just do a computer graphic to show items where no actual film footage exists. Don't get me wrong, it was a great movie. I personally just had trouble stomaching some of the substituted film footage - I think perhaps I have seen too much film footage and therefore am more critical. My statement was meant for other people with the same experience as I have had.

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Does using urine dump footage to represent oxygen leakage for the Apollo 13 portion of the film constitute mis-representation?

You are correct...I forgot about that bit. The film makers do cite that this was a waste dump from an earlier mission, if you listen to the commentary. But I agree that I would rather not have one event being used to represent something totally different.

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The problem with this sort of thing is that it supposes that the presentation is more important than the substance. The film could have been just as powerful from a presentation perspective and could have still been accurate. By making different editorial decisions nothing would have been lost in the power of the film.

A rather small disclaimer in the end credits does not excuse the misrepresentation of footage in a documentary. Nor does a track discussing the inaccuracy of their own film in the commentary on the DVD!

These are better than nothing, but the only acceptable option to me would have been to remain completely accurate in the first place, and simply make your editorial decisions around the dictum that only accurate representations would be made.

Because of these issues, in my opinion, the film is highly flawed, which is too bad, given the raw material with which they had to work.

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It would have been better to state "this is a movie based on a true story".

A documentary is supposed to be about the facts, not a director or producers artistic license (as discussed in the commentary). That is my issue with the movie.

Still a great item to own and watch.

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I just like the interviews. I wish they would release a special edition with all the raw interviews -- I'd be all over that!

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I think that this is a great film. Anything that records the words of these amazing men for future generations is totally essential. Neil A missed an amazing opportunity when he chose not to be a part of this film. I also respect people's views regarding the accuracy of some of the sequences but they do come clean in the film maker commentary, and for general public viewing the use of other missions to highlight key parts of the whole Apollo journey is illuminating.

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The best part of the DVD in my mind are the bonus features, specificly the portions of footage that did not make it into the film.

Cernan describing how he turned the Apollo 10 mission into an x-rated flight with his verbal slip was great.

Also, of special note for us collectors, Collins verbalizes his notion of not understanding autograph fans. He really makes it clear that he is not a fan of autograph seekers. He puts it just as eloquent as it was in his book, but this time around you can get to see him say it.

During his missive, the filmmakers cut away to candid footage of the A11 crew signing autographs at a post-flight dinner. It is great to watch Neil and his crew-mates happily give out signatures, but sad to hear Collins voice over the tape just killing signature collectors.

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Looking at that scene, the crew was swarmed with autograph seekers.

What a mess!

With all of the 'inconsistencies' pointed out about this film, it is truly one of the very best about Apollo.

Not many films get a huge round of applause at the end.

Its just a shame that Armstrong didn't make an appearance.

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posted 03-16-2008 06:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TRS   Click Here to Email TRS     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
David Sington was interviewed on Radio New Zealand yesterday morning. The interview is available here for download.

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I picked this up over the week-end at Best Buy, and I loved it! Looking at COL Collins, I'm glad they got to interview these men, their ages are beoming apparent. I especially loved the bonus interviews, the "Moon Bunnies" interview with Al Bean and Dave Scott was priceless. And I was glad that Apollos 9 and 10 were included in the bonus material. All in all a great film!

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I really was not bothered by the use of alternate footage throughout the film, aside from some obvious ones (Urine dump, TLI) I really felt like this was NOT a film about Apollo 11, or any one mission, but that it was only used as a framework for the experiences of all the astronauts in the film. I thought the overall DVD was brilliant, and even some of the footage was not overly familiar to me. That says something, as I thought I had seen most of it. Great getting game show footage of Armstrong's parents - that I had never seen. I did find it interesting that it was rated PG for (among other things) "incidental smoking"...

hmmm...

A must see!

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I fell in love with the music to the film straightaway and I didn't realise that it was already available on CD . I found out last week and I brought the soundtrack CD from Amazon straight away....WOW !!! It is wonderful. Very emotional. I recommend it to those who loved the film.

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"In the Shadow of the Moon" will be shown by Channel 4 in the UK on Saturday May 31st at 8pm. I haven't seen it and am really looking forward to it.

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For all UK members the TV debut of "In the Shadow of the Moon" is tomorrow night (Saturday 31st May) on Channel 4 starting 8pm to 10pm.

Dont miss it!!!!!

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Discovery HD is showing this movie in high definition Monday June 23. This is a unique chance to see the movie in HD (in your home) because it has not been released on Blu ray disk yet.

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I encourage people to go to amazon.com and check out one of the most recent "reviews" of this DVD. It was posted by a "hoaxer". When you read the review you can report it and recommend that it be removed. It just takes one click of the mouse to do it.

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I hate to say this Mike, but I think that amazon review should stay, for the following reasons...

1) Free speech - we don't want to fall into the trap of being accused of suppressing opinions, however mad they may be.

2) It won't affect the star rating - 81 five star votes against this lone one star.

and 3) it's hilarious

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I noted that this reviewer has chosen to post three reviews on Amazon.com - this one, one reviewing Jesse Ventura's book (in which the reviewer warns Jesse that the "elite" are the real enemy, not the terrorists), and a review of a book called "Endgame: Blueprint for Global Enslavement."

I would love to see this guy's reading list, and I pity his family!


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