Space News
space history and artifacts articles

Messages
space history discussion forums

Sightings
worldwide astronaut appearances

Resources
selected space history documents

Websites
related space history websites

  collectSPACE: Messages
  Autographs
  Signing history and experience: Buzz Aldrin (Page 2)

Post New Topic  Post A Reply
profile | register | preferences | faq | search


This topic is 6 pages long:   1  2  3  4  5  6 
next newest topic | next oldest topic
Author Topic:   Signing history and experience: Buzz Aldrin
SpaceSteve
Member

Posts: 338
From: San Antonio TX, USA
Registered: Apr 2004

posted 02-22-2009 02:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SpaceSteve   Click Here to Email SpaceSteve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You are correct Rick.

It's a "bait-and-switch". Buzz Aldrin baited collectors to come to the show expecting to pay a certain fee, which they were presumably willing to pay, and most importantly to me anyway, were able to plan for. Once they got there and were a "captive audience", he significantly raised the price.

At that point, collectors had the option of going home empty-handed, having already spent in many cases significant money just to be there, or to fork over the extra cash to get the autograph.

If I was one of the collectors affected, I would have been highly upset.

As it is, I am very glad I got his autograph at the UACC Show in San Antonio a few years ago. At his current prices, I won't be back for more, as I flat-out can not afford it!

poofacio
Member

Posts: 268
From: United Kingdom
Registered: Oct 2006

posted 02-22-2009 02:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for poofacio   Click Here to Email poofacio     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Apologies Rick, I wholeheartedly agree, moving the goal posts is bang out of order, I should have read the whole thread more carefully.

StarDome
New Member

Posts:
From:
Registered:

posted 02-22-2009 05:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarDome   Click Here to Email StarDome     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What is Robert's take on it?

Robert was with Buzz in 2005 at Autographica in London (the first time I met both of them) and Robert was at his side during the signing phase taking notes and cash, so must have an idea on who decided what Aldrin charged then compared to what he charges now.

Robert was also with Aldrin in his lecture directing the Q&A session.

Robert Pearlman
Editor

Posts: 28757
From: Houston, TX
Registered: Nov 1999

posted 02-22-2009 05:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I will not break confidences, but I can share that I suggested and/or provided feedback about the fees based on what I thought was both fair to collectors and advantageous for Aldrin.

At the shows where we represented Buzz Aldrin, we did not to charge a multi-signature fee for anyone else in the room, but there was always a charge for partial and full completions. This being the first (and as advertised, only) event where Collins was also present would have most certainly resulted in a conversation with regards to the previously established fees.

I believe Rick is correct, and were it possible to advertise in advance that the partial completion fee was going to apply, then perhaps some of the objections could have been avoided.

StarDome
New Member

Posts:
From:
Registered:

posted 02-22-2009 05:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarDome   Click Here to Email StarDome     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And the full fee then went to Aldrin? or was there a percentage split btween those parties involved?

Is it true then that the more people/agents/organisers there are involved the higher the fee becomes?

Just want to get my head around where all my ££ & $$ have gone over the years

Robert Pearlman
Editor

Posts: 28757
From: Houston, TX
Registered: Nov 1999

posted 02-22-2009 09:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by StarDome:
Just want to get my head around where all my ££ & $$ have gone over the years.
I apologize, but how the astronaut chooses to spend his/her money after it has been paid is really no one's business but their own.

With regards to representation, Dr. Aldrin did not have any handlers at Spacefest this year. He was helped by his personal staff. (And contrary to what had been posted earlier, his daughter-in-law did not attend.)

mjanovec
Member

Posts: 3622
From: Midwest, USA
Registered: Jul 2005

posted 02-22-2009 10:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mjanovec   Click Here to Email mjanovec     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Robert Pearlman:
I apologize, but how the astronaut chooses to spend his/her money after it has been paid is really no one's business but their own.

While I agree with your statement, I don't think StarDome was asking how the astronauts spend their personal earnings...but was instead asking about the breakdown of the fees, including how much goes to agents, event organizers, etc.

While that's likely a private matter between the parties involved, it isn't prying into the astronaut's personal uses for their fees.

Robert Pearlman
Editor

Posts: 28757
From: Houston, TX
Registered: Nov 1999

posted 02-22-2009 10:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by mjanovec:
...but was instead asking about the breakdown of the fees, including how much goes to agents, event organizers, etc.
But that is, in part, how the astronaut has chosen (or agreed) to spend his/her own fees. Those are people s/he hires or enters into business with, and the nature of those details are not the business of the collector.

DChudwin
Member

Posts: 1017
From: Lincolnshire IL USA
Registered: Aug 2000

posted 02-23-2009 12:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DChudwin   Click Here to Email DChudwin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The main item I wanted to get signed was the Paul Calle print of a footprint on the Moon. At SpaceFest, there was one astronaut from each of the landing missions (Aldrin 11, Bean 12, Mitchell 14, Scott 15, Duke 16 and Cernan 17). My plan was to get the print signed by each.

All of the moonwalkers except Aldrin charged me their base fees and added their missions for free,

Aldrin's assistant told me that it would be $50 to add "Apollo 11" and another $100 for a mutli-signed item. I protested to no avail. In the end I decided to forgo the mission inscriptio, but pay the remaining $450 because the print is a unique item. However, I will never give a cent to Aldrin again. He is fleecing collectors, but the market will eventually work since items signed by him fetch a lot less than his $350 base fee.

StarDome
New Member

Posts:
From:
Registered:

posted 02-23-2009 06:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarDome   Click Here to Email StarDome     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's quite obvious the we're not going to get any sort of breakdown of how much the fee is split, you're right in that this is a personal thing between the parties involved. However, if agents/handlers/organisers, etc. were not asking for their cut, the signing fee the astronauts ask for may well be lower.

Lets hope they never become football agents!

And as pointed out I wasn't asking what the astronaut did with my ££ or $$ more what the breakdown of the fee's paid were.

xlsteve
Member

Posts: 376
From: Holbrook MA, USA
Registered: Jul 2008

posted 02-23-2009 09:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for xlsteve   Click Here to Email xlsteve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by StarDome:
Whilst people bemoan the fact his fee has increased and this new incredible fee for "possible other signature space" I can't help but feel perhaps now the time has come for people to vote with their feet.

I agree, however, I don’t see that happening. Maybe folks who where in attendance last week can say whether or not the lines for Dr. Aldrin were down, but I suspect they weren’t appreciably. And as long as people will pay them, those fees will be charged. Given Dr Aldrin’s choice to market himself as much as he does, why would his signing fees be inconsistent with that? I’m sure it’s one of the more profitable areas of promotion for him, and I suspect it’s the main reason he’s even at the event rather than to promote space awareness. I mean, he’s “preaching to the choir” on that score at Spacefest isn’t he? I agree that adding the ‘potential’ completion fee at the last minute could have been communicated ahead of time (that is assuming that the organizers were given a heads up in time enough to do so), and I understand people’s frustration.

Given the respect and admiration we have for these men and women, the issue of fees can be very emotionally charged, and I think that is where the problem lies. But as others have stated here, the autograph room is a business transaction at it’s core. If some astronauts choose to be liberal with their fees and time, it is their choice. I salute them for that choice, but I also can not fault others for knowing the value of their signature and capitalizing on it if possible. I may not agree with that choice or the motivation behind it, but I agree they have the right to make it and that it’s good business, and I still respect them and what they’ve achieved. I just won’t be queuing up for their signature any time soon, which is my choice. I think that some people get turned off when it is put in those terms, but it is what it is. The dealers who are only autographmongers and who know next to nothing about the history, missions or the people (and not all dealers are like that by any means) can be much more pragmatic about the whole thing as they are also approaching it as a business.

HellBake
New Member

Posts:
From:
Registered:

posted 02-23-2009 01:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for HellBake   Click Here to Email HellBake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I hate to jump on the Buzz is less than delightful bandwagon... but, wow... is this guy special.

I had a NASA 5th Anniversary print that I sent to Armstrong when I was a kid in 1980 and he signed... so this was my opportunity to get both Collins and Aldrin. Finally a completion after 30 years. I was mentally prepared for the cost, $550 though when his female assistant said $600 we had a bit of a discourse to no avail. I felt like I was in the Soup Nazi line... dreading a "no autograph for you" declaration. I paid up and he signed. I had my girlfriend go over near his individual retention area for a photo, which was delayed as his Blackberry went off and he had to take two minutes to type something back to whomever... I GET IT BUZZ - you are more important than everyone else...

Collins, though $500 was at least polite, well mannered and made a good effort. It's nice to have the set completed and hopefully over time I will not look at it at only remember how Aldrin behaved.

jamato99
Member

Posts: 143
From: Leesburg, VA USA
Registered: Apr 2003

posted 02-23-2009 02:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jamato99   Click Here to Email jamato99     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We all agree Buzz Aldrin is free to charge whatever he wants for his autograph. There is a distinct line, however, between Aldrin charging what he believes is fair market value (or slightly above) for his signature and seeing how much he can get for his signature by drastically raising the price and throwing in last-minute changes to his fees. That's simply gouging and it shouldn't be tolerated by anyone. That type of greed is despicable.

The problem is, people are still paying Aldrin's outrageous fees and putting up with his obnoxious behavior. I didn't attend SpaceFest, but I can't imagine how frustrated and annoyed I would have been to arrive and face those kinds of charges. Having already committed so much money to making the trip and paying the admission fee, Aldrin and Schweickart put everyone in really tough position by changing their fees at the last minute. It would disgust me to look at a picture on my living room wall signed by Aldrin a know how badly I got ripped off in obtaining it.

This type of behavior will only go away when people stop paying (and, thus, rewarding) the Aldrins of the world for their greedy tactics. Let me repeat: STOP PAYING THESE CRAZY FEES!!! Just the few stories I've read so far probably made Aldrin's crazy price hike and last-minute fees worthwhile for him. Any business lost was probably more than made up for by those who were willing to pay. I tremble when I think of what his next price tier is and what other ridiculous fees he'll come up with ($50 for eye contact with Buzz, etc.)

Show promoters should be more sensitive to this in the future, and anyone attending shows needs to be aware of this possibility. As was stated earlier, people should plan to attend these shows in the future as part of a vacation or some other travel plans rather than investing all your time and money into a show that could very easily cost far more that originally expected.

It would be far easier to tolerate if these guys were donating a portion, no matter how small, to charity or some non-profit. I haven't heard anything to that effect, so I can only guess that they're pocketing every cent they pull in. And didn't these guys make their living and reputation on government dollars? Way to give back by ripping off your biggest fans and those who look up to you the most. I'd almost consider paying $350 for Aldrin's autograph if I knew a (reasonable) percentage of that was going to charity.

I paid $150 for Aldrin and $150 for Dave Scott at the 2004 show in Burbank and remembered thinking at the time that Scott's price was ridiculous and Aldrin's at worst tolerable. Less than five years later, the piece I got signed would have cost me $400 more to have Aldrin sign it and only $15 more for Scott. I have to say, I'm impressed with Scott's modest price increase (though I hope I don't eat my words this Fall!)

I honestly feel bad for young kids or those just getting into the hobby who will only know these current-day fees. It's a fine line... we want the show promoters to get the biggest, best names but we don't want to pay outrageous fees. There's a compromise somewhere in the middle, but it starts with the collectors refusing to pay. Until then, prices will continue to rise and the hobby will suffer as a result.

mjanovec
Member

Posts: 3622
From: Midwest, USA
Registered: Jul 2005

posted 02-23-2009 02:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mjanovec   Click Here to Email mjanovec     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by HellBake:
Collins, though $500 was at least polite, well mannered and made a good effort

Did you have Collins sign it before or after Buzz? I think Collins was only charging $500 for completions, so technically your item wasn't a completion unless Buzz had already signed it.

Anyway, I'm just asking, because I was wondering if Collins also had a pre-completion fee or not. (It doesn't sound like it, from other reports I heard.) If not, you could have maybe saved yourself $250 by having Mike sign it first.

Hart Sastrowardoyo
Member

Posts: 2365
From: Toms River, NJ,USA
Registered: Aug 2000

posted 02-23-2009 02:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hart Sastrowardoyo   Click Here to Email Hart Sastrowardoyo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by jamato99:
It's a fine line... we want the show promoters to get the biggest, best names but we don't want to pay outrageous fees. There's a compromise somewhere in the middle, but it starts with the collectors refusing to pay.
Don't groan at the comparison, but I foresee a shakeup similar to what happened with Star Trek conventions. At first I was paying $20 per day for a two-day weekend to hear someone or someones talk and get an autograph... the last time I paid it was more like $250 for the weekend.

At that point I said enough is enough, and evidently, so did other fans. Now actors like Rene Auberjonois - who comes from a theater background - and Marina Sirtis, who once commanded a convention by themselves are sharing tables with guest stars and extras (not that Auberjonois and Sirtis precipitated this, mind you.)

I did the same thing with astronaut autographs. Some of it has to do with my moving around a lot and other real life issues, but I've learned to be more discriminate in what I'll pay for. Case in point: I'd love a Jim Lovell auto in my Space Shuttle: 20 Years book, as he wrote the foreword, but is it worth my paying a mid-three figures, (as I was quoted for a multisigned piece?) No, and neither is paying three figures for John Young's signature. If the price was say, $50, I'd be interested. But it's not so I've learned to do without.

AJ
Member

Posts: 511
From: Plattsburgh, NY, United States
Registered: Feb 2009

posted 02-23-2009 03:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AJ   Click Here to Email AJ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
First of all, hello, this is my very first post here.

Secondly, I was at Spacefest and I was pretty disappointed in everything I heard/saw regarding Buzz. A lot of people admire the guy (or at least used to) and the Spacefest experience definitely had the air of a business deal for Buzz. I feel bad for the people who were charged way more than is acceptable (especially regarding the incomplete completions!), but I agree with all those who have said that the answer is to simply not pay it. I went into Spacefest knowing I couldn't afford Buzz's fees, period, and I was okay with that. Now I'm glad it wasn't even an option for me. I would rather get to meet and get autographs from a lot of other astronauts, rather than just Buzz. It was especially disappointing to realize that he upped the "per word" fee at the show, because the sign was clearly changed from $30 to $50. Either way, I think it's unfair. Plus, he was mad that Mike Collins had a "better" spot and even moved to it on Saturday, which kind of made him look like a kid who didn't the bike he wanted for Christmas. Basically, a lot of stuff that went on this weekend with Buzz seemed very petty. The vast majority of the people I met at Spacefest were engaging and friendly, not too busy on a cell phone or calculator. Buzz just didn't seem to want to engage with people and at this point he knows what these shows are like and what to expect. I think that ultimately it is very sad that so many people who have admired Buzz are left with such a bad impression. In the long run he is only hurting himself, but I really do feel that people need to stop buying from him. By paying the huge fees Buzz is being validated and will continue to increase his fees and play the bad guy.

mjanovec
Member

Posts: 3622
From: Midwest, USA
Registered: Jul 2005

posted 02-23-2009 04:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mjanovec   Click Here to Email mjanovec     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by AJ:
It was especially disappointing to realize that he upped the "per word" fee at the show, because the sign was clearly changed from $30 to $50.
He pulled the same trick at the ASF show, though I think he changed it from $20 per word to $50 per word. So this isn't the first time he's done that. Apparently, prices are set on the fly when it comes to Buzz. He apparently must assess the crowd and adjust prices accordingly to maximize his profits.

stsmithva
Member

Posts: 1423
From: Fairfax, VA, USA
Registered: Feb 2007

posted 02-23-2009 05:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for stsmithva   Click Here to Email stsmithva     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We've covered the multi-signABLE fee, but I've read something in a couple of posts on this topic and I just want to make sure I understand: Aldrin charged $600 for anything already signed by Armstrong? Even though the highest fee, still on the Spacefest website, is "Apollo 11 multi-signed $550"? Well... huh. Wasn't Armstrong on Apollo 11?

Also, didn't Aldrin charge the multi-signed fee for items signed by ANY other astronaut, not just those on Apollo 11?

DChudwin
Member

Posts: 1017
From: Lincolnshire IL USA
Registered: Aug 2000

posted 02-23-2009 06:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DChudwin   Click Here to Email DChudwin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As to the last question, I had personal experience. Aldrin charged an extra $100 (in addition to his $350 base fee) if the item had been signed by ANY other astronaut.

He charged even more if the other astronaut was Collins or Armstrong.

Rick Mulheirn
Member

Posts: 2611
From: England
Registered: Feb 2001

posted 02-23-2009 06:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rick Mulheirn   Click Here to Email Rick Mulheirn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think it safe to say, the "Buzz experience" has now been well covered and it is time to move on.

That said, might I suggest that the organisers of any future events nail down the fees in advance and ask the attending astronauts to stick to them?

It is not rocket science. And it casts something of a shadow over what was otherwise an excellent event; a shadow not of the organisers making.

swedwards1960
New Member

Posts:
From:
Registered:

posted 02-23-2009 07:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for swedwards1960   Click Here to Email swedwards1960     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I certainly agree that he may charge whatever he wishes (even the add-on stuff), but I'm pretty miffed at this whole notion of something that MAY have a possibility of being multi-signed in the FUTURE. I'd be interested to know if anyone in any area of endeavor (sports, whatever) has ever applied this same approach. It's patently ludicrous. I mean, does he charge on that basis for that of most iconic images (the visor shot on the moon) because Armstrong is visible in the visor and it cannot be absolutely guaranteed that it cannot be possible that someday Neil Armstrong changes his mind and decides to sign something -- even if that one thing for one person, ever?

That said, my observation was that the lines for Dr. Aldrin were way down from prior events. Part of this would certainly be explained by people wanting to take part in the one-time possibility for Mike Collins. However, even when that died down, I noted on a couple of walk-buys that Buzz had no customers while others (most notably Alan Bean) still had a decent number. Perhaps the drop in business may lead to some re-evaluation in the pricing and attitude on things such as this. What was also interesting to me (particularly in seeing some of the comments regarding his demeanor) was that he seemed to be in a pretty good mood.

In addition, at his late Saturday Mars Cycler talk, Buzz seemed engaged and genuinely interested in presenting his ideas to the crowd. Though somewhat disjointed in presentation style, he showed enthusiasm and conviction related to his subject. Also, though I had to leave in order to change for the banquet, he stayed well beyond the established time of the talk and even kept on for questions after telling those who had to leave that they could. I don't know how much longer he kept at it, but I had the impression he was willing to hang on to address interested questioners until done.

Overall, I'd also like to point out that even though we all have this (deserved) disgust for some of these pricing/add-on methods, I wouldn't want him to stop attending these events. Many of us have already obtained signatures from Buzz, but there are others (such as locals to the event location) who have not and I'd certainly want them to have the same opportunity to do so if they are willing to pay what he's charging at that time.

ilbasso
Member

Posts: 1501
From: Greensboro, NC USA
Registered: Feb 2006

posted 02-23-2009 10:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ilbasso   Click Here to Email ilbasso     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's easy to say we should boycott Buzz. It's not that easy in practice, though. The simple facts are that he IS the second man to walk on the Moon, and he is not getting any younger.

The reason I decided to go to Spacefest this year is that all of the Apollo astronauts are looking at 80 from one side or the other. No matter how good shape you're in at that age, you might not wake up some morning, or you could get wiped out in a random accident like our dear departed Pete Conrad. I felt I couldn't wait any longer to meet these extraordinary gentlemen. True, I wish I had thought to get their autographs years ago when they were cheaper, but this is now, and it may have been my only opportunity. So, I felt compelled to take advantage of it, no matter how financially painful.

I left Spacefest with a lifetime's worth of memories, some great stories, and signatures on my favorite items in my collection. Once my bank account recovers, I'll look back and say "Buzz was Buzz" and have a good laugh.

HellBake
New Member

Posts:
From:
Registered:

posted 02-24-2009 09:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for HellBake   Click Here to Email HellBake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by mjanovec:
Did you have Collins sign it before or after Buzz?
I had Buzz sign first, but knowing that I could obtain Collins he charged a "multi-signed" fee. Mike was also charging a flat fee of $500 for "multi-signed" - but as I said before, at least he was polite & friendly.

machbusterman
Member

Posts: 1659
From: Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland
Registered: May 2004

posted 02-24-2009 01:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for machbusterman   Click Here to Email machbusterman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by mjanovec:
He pulled the same trick at the ASF show, though I think he changed it from $20 per word to $50 per word.
You're spot on Mark... and here's the photo I took of his fee list at the ASF show:

xlsteve
Member

Posts: 376
From: Holbrook MA, USA
Registered: Jul 2008

posted 02-24-2009 01:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for xlsteve   Click Here to Email xlsteve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So if you bring a him a book that he authored, you're plunking down $250? I'm assuming that this isn't charged at a regular book signing.

Spacefest
Member

Posts: 1092
From: Tucson, AZ USA
Registered: Jan 2009

posted 02-24-2009 01:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Spacefest   Click Here to Email Spacefest     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Buzz definitely does not follow the laws of supply and demand. Only our influence stopped him from doubling his prices AGAIN.

Grouse all you want, but Buzz has an endless supply of goodwill and people who will pay for his autograph whatever it costs, so be happy you got yours before the price inevitably goes up. If you're waiting for the crash, well...

AJ, we made no different "deal" with Buzz than anyone else-10% of gross, and his fees were on the website for all to see, like everyone else's. Still are. Rusty's the one who moved the goalposts.

Buzz is in the unique position of being the only Apollo 11 moonwalker who signs publicly.

albatron
Member

Posts: 2159
From: Stuart, Florida, USA
Registered: Jun 2000

posted 02-24-2009 01:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for albatron   Click Here to Email albatron     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Robert Pearlman:
I will not break confidences, but I can share that I suggested and/or provided feedback about the fees based on what I thought was both fair to collectors and advantageous for Aldrin.

As a former (and current in some cases) "agent" myself, and the autograph show side producer for Spacefest, I can attest these guys are their own men. You can suggest, argue, point out, anything you want and when the dust settles they'll do as they wish.

Period.

Some listen, some do not.

That being said, while most would agree his $350 base fee is exorbiant, he had no shortage of customers. Many people who I've seen get other stuffed signed in the past, many times. As long as people pay it, he'll charge it. We can be our own worst enemies.

At Spacefest, we had no input to his or any other astronauts fee. Buzz is a popular guest, so to NOT bring him is not the answer.

Rusty's increase was a total suprise to me. In fact I was not even aware until someone mentioned it to me. I told them "nah he'd tell us first". He did not. But he too had no shortage of customers.

So there's the story mates.

Spacefest
Member

Posts: 1092
From: Tucson, AZ USA
Registered: Jan 2009

posted 02-24-2009 02:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Spacefest   Click Here to Email Spacefest     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by xlsteve:
So if you bring a him a book that he authored, you're plunking down $250? I'm assuming that this isn't charged at a regular book signing.
No, in fact, it's free, but that is when a book is new, and being promoted by the publisher. Once the tour is over...

machbusterman
Member

Posts: 1659
From: Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland
Registered: May 2004

posted 02-24-2009 03:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for machbusterman   Click Here to Email machbusterman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Spacefest:
...his fees were on the website for all to see, like everyone else's.
Kim, according to the website Buzz's advertised fee's (prior to the show were thus):
  • Personalization free (with autograph purchase)
  • Base fee $350
  • inscriptions $30/word
  • Apollo 11 multi-signed $550
As I understand it Buzz charged $50 per word for personalization and $50 per word inscription. Also the Apollo 11 multi-signed fee one would not have assumed that applied to items that COULD be signed by another Apollo 11 crew member after Buzz had signed?

I understand supply and demand but the way Buzz has treated collectors is pretty poor. I do hope the other astronauts don't go along the same route...

Spacefest
Member

Posts: 1092
From: Tucson, AZ USA
Registered: Jan 2009

posted 02-24-2009 03:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Spacefest   Click Here to Email Spacefest     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by machbusterman:
As I understand it Buzz charged $50 per word for personalization and $50 per word inscription. Also the Apollo 11 multi-signed fee one would not have assumed that applied to items that COULD be signed by another Apollo 11 crew member after Buzz had signed?
You're right, Derek. I guess he feels like calling audibles is acceptable.

Spacefest
Member

Posts: 1092
From: Tucson, AZ USA
Registered: Jan 2009

posted 02-24-2009 05:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Spacefest   Click Here to Email Spacefest     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ATTENTION:

We have a contract that specifies Buzz' charges at Spacefest.

We need names of:

  • People who were actually charged for a personalization (i.e. to Tom and Nancy Driscoll);

  • People who were actually charged a $550 multi-signed completion fee for an Apollo 11 item with only 1 signature;
Please let me know: kim@novaspace.com

stsmithva
Member

Posts: 1423
From: Fairfax, VA, USA
Registered: Feb 2007

posted 02-24-2009 06:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for stsmithva   Click Here to Email stsmithva     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello Kim, thank you for the responsible follow-up.

I didn't get any Aldrin autographs, but could you clarify for others: are you referring to his charging $550 for items that had no other signatures yet?

MCroft04
Member

Posts: 1250
From: Smithfield, Me, USA
Registered: Mar 2005

posted 02-24-2009 06:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MCroft04   Click Here to Email MCroft04     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This post has really got me to thinking. While not taking any side, I know some of the folks who have posted their complaints here, and they are great people. I also believe that all the astronauts are beyond reproach, and many are heroes to us. But here we are in a peeing contest between very smart people whom I respect. I wonder what kinds of disagreements might arise on long duration missions to Mars between smart and perfectly logical people? If not on the first missions, then on later routine missions.

Spacefest
Member

Posts: 1092
From: Tucson, AZ USA
Registered: Jan 2009

posted 02-24-2009 06:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Spacefest   Click Here to Email Spacefest     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by stsmithva:
I didn't get any Aldrin autographs, but could you clarify for others: are you referring to his charging $550 for items that had no other signatures yet?
That would certainly qualify.

mjanovec
Member

Posts: 3622
From: Midwest, USA
Registered: Jul 2005

posted 02-24-2009 10:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mjanovec   Click Here to Email mjanovec     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by MCroft04:
I wonder what kinds of disagreements might arise on long duration missions to Mars between smart and perfectly logical people? If not on the first missions, then on later routine missions.

While we're straying a little from the topic at hand, I think the simple answer is that there is a well-established pecking order on any mission, whether it's among the crew or among the mission control members. For the crew, the commander has the final say. For the mission in general, the flight director has the final say.

RPF09
New Member

Posts:
From:
Registered:

posted 02-25-2009 03:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for RPF09   Click Here to Email RPF09     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well I am disappointed to hear about some of the signing experiences and fees that people have experienced at this show. It is not one I have been to myself, I am based in the UK.

I gave up collecting autographs in August 2007 due to the price. I had been to all the Autographica shows in the UK up until that time, and the fees for many Astronauts and Cosmonauts were relatively fine. Indeed many of the Cosmonauts represented excellent value for money, £10 to £20; and the earlier appearances by the Astronauts were also good, around £40 as I recall. Things got rather pricey when Buzz Aldrin made his first appearance and an autograph cost £95 or thereabouts – and remembers that this was a time when a UK Pound was worth about 1.5 to 2 US Dollars. I dread to think what would happen if Buzz Aldrin came to the UK now and continued his recent price policy, particularly as the exchange rate has come down. I think you would find that very people would make such a purchase as there are far fewer and less eager collectors in the UK – in my view. It would be a very short queue indeed.

Of course it is a business and I understand that; but these guys have a reputation to and that reputation is cultivated in many ways. How much they charge for a few minutes of time to write their name and a photograph is one of them; but an important one, as it is the average Joe (to coin an American phrase) that is meeting them on that occasion. And as so many average Joes are meeting them, or have done so on these types of occasions, then this is where the foundations of a reputation are laid.

I’ve had some great experiences with these guys, Dick Gordon and Charlie Duke especially, and many of the Russian cosmonauts. How could I forget giving Sergei Krikalev a lift in my car, I loved it when he told me that the different use of measurements on the ISS (US = Imperial, Russia = Metric), drove him mad!

Whilst the prices in the UK were not too bad to begin with (and many are still fair enough), it was the likes of Buzz Aldrin in 2006 that made it too much for me. Also I must admit, I wondered what to do with all the photographs I had obtained – put them on the wall and they might fade, how long with the sharpie pen last, where can I find room to put them all anyway, what if it gets damaged? All those things played on my mind as well. And as I looked at the box file of carefully stored pictures that I was too scared to open in case I damaged them, wondered what would happened to them in the future, and thought about the cost (around £1000), I thought that I would rather spend the money on going somewhere, perhaps NASA one day for a visit.

After all when I am on my deathbed, will I prefer a collection of autographs that have barley seen the light of day, or would I rather remember that wonderful trip to the USA… Well I digress somewhat on to another subject here, but it all helped me make my mind up to stop.

So I simply gave them all away. Now I just stick with photographs I have taken, going to the lectures and a hand shake if I can… Cost, very little, memories, priceless.

I’m not trying to suggest that you should give up collecting, or that collecting is not such a good idea in anyway. Indeed, if you like it and it is important to you – then do it! But what I do hope is that one or two Astronauts see some sense here and think about you – the fan, the collector, the enthusiast - some more and come to a reasonable evaluation about what they charge.

xlsteve
Member

Posts: 376
From: Holbrook MA, USA
Registered: Jul 2008

posted 02-25-2009 09:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for xlsteve   Click Here to Email xlsteve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by mjanovec:
For the crew, the commander has the final say. For the mission in general, the flight director has the final say.
I think I would get along just fine as long as I wasn't charged a "completion fee" as I was being strapped in to get started on the journey. At least wait until we get there.

NovaRob
Member

Posts: 60
From: Tucson, Arizona, USA
Registered: Nov 2008

posted 02-25-2009 05:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NovaRob   Click Here to Email NovaRob     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by AJ:
Plus, he was mad that Mike Collins had a "better" spot and even moved to it on Saturday, which kind of made him look like a kid who didn't the bike he wanted for Christmas.
I'd like to clarify that the change of booths was not Buzz's idea, nor done out of selfishness, but was Novaspace's plan all along, even before Spacefest began. Originally, Collins was going to sign on Friday only, and we planned to move him back to the art show area on Saturday, so that he could show his art and talk with attendees away from the signing area. We placed Collins and Buzz at opposite ends of the row for Friday, so that their lines could spread out without interfering with the other signers or each other. Even though Collins decided late Friday afternoon that he would sign on Saturday too, we decided to stick with our original plan, and we moved Collins to the art exhibit area, and Buzz to the booth nearer to where attendees would be walking. After several people asked us on Saturday if, and where, Collins was signing, we decided to put him in the photo booth where people could see him easily. Please don't read anything else into the moves or locations.

leslie
Member

Posts: 208
From: Surrey, England
Registered: Aug 2005

posted 02-26-2009 08:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for leslie   Click Here to Email leslie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by mjanovec:
Anyway, I'm just asking, because I was wondering if Collins also had a pre-completion fee or not. (It doesn't sound like it, from other reports I heard.) If not, you could have maybe saved yourself $250 by having Mike sign it first.
I can confirm there was no pre-completion fee at the Collins desk. The set fee for his final signature was $500.

AJ
Member

Posts: 511
From: Plattsburgh, NY, United States
Registered: Feb 2009

posted 02-27-2009 01:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AJ   Click Here to Email AJ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by NovaRob:
I'd like to clarify that the change of booths was not Buzz's idea, nor done out of selfishness, but was Novaspace's plan all along, even before Spacefest began.
Sorry about that. I had heard at the show that he was unhappy with his location, thus the move. I stand corrected.


This topic is 6 pages long:   1  2  3  4  5  6 

All times are CT (US)

next newest topic | next oldest topic

Administrative Options: Close Topic | Archive/Move | Delete Topic
Post New Topic  Post A Reply
Hop to:

Contact Us | The Source for Space History & Artifacts

Copyright 1999-2014 collectSPACE.com All rights reserved.


Ultimate Bulletin Board 5.47a





advertisement