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kr4mula
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posted 08-28-2012 12:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kr4mula   Click Here to Email kr4mula     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I saw the Clear Channel billboard yesterday along I-75 between Cincinnati and Dayton, just south of Neil's former home in Lebanon. I thought it was very tastefully done and wondered who had paid for it, as there was not even a small credit at the bottom (which I also thought was even more fitting).

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posted 08-28-2012 01:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for drjeffbang   Click Here to Email drjeffbang     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by mikepf:
It looks like the Moon will be paying it's own tribute to Neil Armstrong on Friday. It will be a Blue Moon.

That's true; how appropriate.

I'm curious, when was the Apollo 11 crew officially together for the last time?

onesmallstep
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posted 08-28-2012 03:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for onesmallstep   Click Here to Email onesmallstep     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That would have been three years ago on July 20, 2009 celebrating the 40th anniversary of Apollo 11 at the White House.

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posted 08-28-2012 05:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glint   Click Here to Email Glint     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Did anyone else notice that the phase of the moon on Saturday, the evening that he died, was almost identical to that on the evening of the day he touched down at Tranquility Base?

Mike Isbell
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posted 08-28-2012 06:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mike Isbell     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by drjeffbang:
I'm curious, when was the Apollo 11 crew officially together for the last time?
The Apollo 11 crew was together last November, along with John Glenn, at a ceremony at the U.S. Capitol to receive the Congressional Gold Medal.

Fra Mauro
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posted 08-28-2012 08:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fra Mauro   Click Here to Email Fra Mauro     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The best tribute to Mr. Armstrong for our nation to create a lunar base named after him. Can ya hear me you politicians?

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posted 08-29-2012 12:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rob Joyner   Click Here to Email Rob Joyner     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A little something I posted on Facebook late that night.

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posted 08-29-2012 08:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ApolloAlex   Click Here to Email ApolloAlex     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The world has lost a true hero, I think we have all done plenty of toasting and tributes in our own ways, I spent the last few days looking at the Moon thinking when will we return to add to the historic foot prints left by Neil and the other 11.

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I have just made a small donation to one of the worthy causes mentioned in the family's statement regarding memorials.

A really nice idea and a nice way to honour a great hero. I'm so glad I got the chance to meet this great man in Dublin 2003! Great memories of a great night...

Godspeed Neil Armstrong...

davidcwagner
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posted 08-29-2012 07:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for davidcwagner   Click Here to Email davidcwagner     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Great editorial cartoon tributes to Neil.

Is anyone good enough at Photoshop to create the American Flag on the Moon at half staff? See great example by Nate Beeler of Columbus Dispatch.

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posted 08-29-2012 08:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Chariot412   Click Here to Email Chariot412     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My Facebook profile picture is the lunar flag at half-mast. Feel free to copy it or befriend me.

Also, was blessed to spend the evening with Neil at the Explorer's Club a few months ago - there's a pretty good picture of Armstrong, Cernan, and Lovell with some guy smiling like a kid at Christmas!

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posted 08-29-2012 09:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dss65   Click Here to Email dss65     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Class and dignity. RIP.

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Props to presidential challenger Mitt Romney for his stirring homage to Neil Armstrong during his speech at the Nomination Convention in Tampa, Florida Thursday night.

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Fezman92
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posted 08-31-2012 08:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fezman92   Click Here to Email Fezman92     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I had to write to my local paper for them to get them to mention Neil's death or was that just me?

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posted 08-31-2012 11:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fra Mauro   Click Here to Email Fra Mauro     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Daily News had the nerve to put Snooky's name on the front cover with Neil's!

Jay Chladek
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posted 08-31-2012 06:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jay Chladek   Click Here to Email Jay Chladek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Henry Heatherbank:
I know we on this post are biased, but I ask this question: was there a more iconic figure in the 20th century?

That could be kind of difficult to say since there were so many iconic figures to come along in the past 100 years. Those of us who are alive today experienced maybe up to half of the 20th Century at most and a lot of things came before Neil's famous footprint. "Icon" is also not something I like to use as a term as while its possible definition as being "larger than life" could be a good description, it also implies so much additional baggage.

Charles Lindberg flew solo across the Atlantic and became an icon that way (and Neil followed in his footsteps in a sense in terms of how to deal with "fame" and what it can do to you when one factors in the kidnapping and death of his baby). Edmond Hillary and Tenzig Norgay climbed Everest and lived to tell the tale the first time and in so doing, helped to bring a new industry to the people of the region. Jacques Cousteau helped give under sea exploration and conservation a world audience during the time of Apollo and a little after. Many would also bring up John Kennedy for helping to verbalize a commitment to the moon, without which, Armstrong wouldn't have been able to set foot.

That being said, indeed Neil's "small step" after a great feat of piloting would indeed be on the top 10 list since for the first time, the entire world looked up and took notice of one person of the two that were up there stepping out onto the surface of an alien world for the first time and were transfixed by what they saw. But what guys like Armstrong, Cousteau, Hillary, Norgay and Lindberg tried to do was not so much capitalize on their fame after the event that made them famous for selfish goals, but rather use it for the betterment of others. I suppose in that sense, "icon" might work as a term. But even Neil wouldn't accept it as he would say he was just a guy doing the job he was assigned and that thousands of others built the machines that got him, Buzz and Mike safely to the moon and back.

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posted 09-01-2012 04:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for YankeeClipper   Click Here to Email YankeeClipper     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Jay Chladek:
That could be kind of difficult to say since there were so many iconic figures to come along in the past 100 years.
From a broad perspective, if one considers the combined multiplier effect of event/historical/technological/evolutionary significance, scale of broadcast/print media impact, global population audience, and legacy, then Neil and Buzz are probably the two most iconic figures of the 20th Century. Neil through his first step captured on TV/Radio, and Buzz through TV/Radio and one of the most iconic photographs ever taken.

Their principal achievement and lives happen to have occurred at a period in history where the technology to communicate their achievement was sufficiently advanced to bring that seminal event to an ever-increasing number of people. No other event so singularly captured and held global attention as it actually happened. Although Adolf Hitler's impact was global in nature, he could not command a live global audience.

The achievements of the other pioneers mentioned all occurred on earth and have been replicated and surpassed many times since. The relative rarity of the lunar landings plus their transformative nature in bridging two worlds sets the first lunar footsteps apart.

The Moon itself is an extremely iconic celestial entity, visible not only to ancient civilisations throughout history but also to people all across the planet. Nearly every human being in the 20th Century would have seen the Moon at some point in their lives with their own eyes, unlike Everest, New York/Paris, or the ocean/bottom of the ocean.

The fascinating novelty of space exploration, the tension and drama of two rival superpower nations racing each other over the entire decade of the 1960s, culminating in a live spectacular breath-taking event of enormous audacity and monumental import have secured Neil and Buzz's primacy as the premier icons of the 20th Century.

Rick Boos
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posted 09-02-2012 12:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rick Boos   Click Here to Email Rick Boos     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have read alot of articles on Neil's private service in Cincinnati, but none of which actually states where (or if) he was buried. Could be have been cremated. Does anyone know for sure?

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posted 09-02-2012 12:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The details of Armstrong's interment have not been made public, but according to NASA, it has not yet occurred.

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posted 09-06-2012 10:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rick Boos   Click Here to Email Rick Boos     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just heard on the radio that Neil is to buried at sea. No other details were released.

Robert Pearlman
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posted 09-06-2012 11:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Neil Armstrong, who stood on moon's Sea of Tranquility, to be buried at sea

The late astronaut Neil Armstrong, first man to step on the moon, will be buried at sea, NASA has confirmed.

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posted 09-06-2012 04:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SpaceAngel   Click Here to Email SpaceAngel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Why bury Armstrong at sea? Isn't that disrespectful to do that sort of thing?

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posted 09-06-2012 04:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NavySpaceFan   Click Here to Email NavySpaceFan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Not at all! I participated in several of burials during my time in the service.

ETA: Description of the service from Wiki

The United States Navy has performed many burials at sea in its history, with wartime burials as recently as World War II, and peacetime burials still common. Enemy deaths received the same ceremony as Americans or allies. Most other armed forces also perform burials at sea, such as the British Royal Navy and the Royal Canadian Navy.

If the deceased died on land or has been returned to shore after death, the remains may be brought aboard either in a coffin or in an urn after cremation. The ceremony is performed while the ship is deployed, and consequently civilians are not allowed to be present. In the USA, people eligible for a free Navy burial at sea are:

  • Active-duty members of the uniformed services
  • Retirees and honorably discharged veterans
  • Military Sealift Command U.S. civilian marine personnel
  • Family members of the above
In preparation, the officer of the deck calls All hands bury the dead, and the ship is stopped (if possible). The ship's flags are lowered to half mast. The ship's crew, including a firing party, casket bearers and a bugler, are assembled on the deck. The crew stands at parade rest at the beginning of the ceremony. The coffin is covered with a flag, and is carried feet first on deck by the casket bearers. The casket is placed on a stand, with the feet overboard. In case of cremated remains, the urn is brought on deck and placed on a stand.

The ceremony is divided into a military portion and a religious portion. The religious part is specific to the religion of the deceased, and may be performed by a Navy chaplain, or by the commanding officer if no chaplain of the appropriate faith is available. A scripture is read and prayers are said.

After the religious ceremony, the firing party is ordered Firing party, present arms. The casket bearers tilt the platform with the casket, so that the casket slides off the platform into the ocean. The flag which was draped over the casket is retained on board. For cremated remains, there is the option to bury the remains using the urn in a similar fashion to the procedure used for caskets. Alternatively, the urn can be opened, and the remains scattered in the wind. In this case, the wind direction has to be taken under consideration before burial to ensure a smooth procedure.

The firing party fires a three volley salute, the bugler plays Taps, and flowers may also be dropped into the ocean. After the flag is folded, the ceremony ends. The relatives will be informed of the time and location of the burial, and given photos and video recordings if available.

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posted 09-06-2012 04:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Blackarrow     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How could it be disrespectful? You can be sure that if Neil Armstrong is to be buried at sea, it was Neil Armstrong's wish. We should respect it.

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According to a family spokesman, the family are following Armstrong's own desires with regards to his interment.

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posted 09-06-2012 05:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rick Mulheirn   Click Here to Email Rick Mulheirn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I suspect the thought of his grave becoming some kind of shrine was sufficient motivation for Armstrong's choice of buriel.

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posted 09-06-2012 05:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dabolton   Click Here to Email dabolton     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I cant think of a more appropriate burial for any sailor. God Bless Neil Armstrong.

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Armstrong won't be the first astronaut buried at sea. Wally Schirra was cremated and then buried at sea...

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posted 09-06-2012 08:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jay Chladek   Click Here to Email Jay Chladek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As were Al and Louise Shepard if I recall correctly (after they were also cremated).

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Thank you Mr. Armstrong for your service to our Nation as a Naval Aviator and Nasa Astronaut.

May God bless your family during this difficult time.

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According to NASA's history office, in addition to Alan (and Louise) Shepard and Wally Schirra, STS-51L crewmates Greg Jarvis and Judith Resnik were both buried at sea.

Jarvis' ashes were scattered in the Pacific Ocean and Resnik's in the Atlantic, near the area where she died aboard space shuttle Challenger.

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I hope to see an aircraft carrier named for Neil in my lifetime.

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The US Navy has one ship named for an astronaut, USNS Wally Schirra (T-AKE-8).

That would be a fitting ship to perform Armstrong's interment.

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A nice plaque at the Naval Air Museum...

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Originally posted by PeterO:
The US Navy has one ship named for an astronaut...
They also have the USNS Alan Shepard (and the USNS John Glenn is under construction now).

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Thanks for updating me, Robert. I didn't know about Shepard and Glenn.

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I hadn't seen that plaque commemorating Armstrong's achievements before - it's a shame his likeness is depicted so poorly; in my opinion it bears scant resemblance to Mr. Armstrong.


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