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RISPACE
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posted 04-26-2013 01:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RISPACE     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am wondering if anyone has any info on the possible repair and restoration of the Saturn 1B (SA-109) in the rocket garden at the Kennedy Space Center Visitor Center. Is anything planned?

I was there recently and it is in somewhat bad shape - birds living within, cracked paint, mold and mildew build up, etc. Reminds me of the days when the Saturn V was displayed outside the Vehicle Assembly Building.

mode1charlie
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posted 04-26-2013 11:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mode1charlie   Click Here to Email mode1charlie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That's...alarming.

I checked the article on Wikipedia, and it is SA-209, which was the standby that would have launched a notional Skylab 4 and later Apollo-Soyuz rescue CSM-119. It also would have launched the cancelled CSM mission to lift Skylab workshop's orbit until the Space Shuttle ready to fly. The article notes that "Due to severe corrosion, the first stage engines and Service Module were replaced with fabricated duplicates in 1993–1994."

So this would seem to be the only remaining (formerly) fully launch-ready Saturn IB.

J.L
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posted 04-26-2013 11:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for J.L   Click Here to Email J.L     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Not from 1993-94, but this photo shows the same Saturn 1B (SA-209) being fitted with mock engines before being shipped to Japan in 1978 for the Space Expo.

GACspaceguy
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posted 04-27-2013 05:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GACspaceguy   Click Here to Email GACspaceguy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Take a look at this thread I started in 2009 on this subject. In the pictures you can see the Saturn 1B. While peeling paint and mildew are ugly, it is the significant amount of exfoliation corrosion happening on the lower hat section stingers that have me concerned. The last time I was there I saw even more corrosion on some of the main fittings. I can not even imagine what is going on top side, in places where water can pool after the rain.

I trust they will do something about it at some point and I hope it is not just a pressure wash and a coat of paint.

Robert Pearlman
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posted 04-27-2013 08:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
From what I understand, the Kennedy Space Center Visitor Complex's 10-year master plan, which includes the construction of the Space Shuttle Atlantis exhibit, the recently completed new entranceway into the complex, and the new Rocket Garden restaurant opposite the Rocket Garden, also includes work on the Rocket Garden itself.

I don't have many details to share yet, but will inquire what can be said publicly during the next press event.

mode1charlie
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posted 04-27-2013 06:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mode1charlie   Click Here to Email mode1charlie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Fred, thanks for linking to that other thread with the pics.

Where is the Apollo LUT swing arm now? I've been to KSC 3 times in the last 18 months and haven't seen it - did I somehow miss it, or was it moved?

Robert, I look forward to hearing your updates as you find out from the folks at KSC.

Robert Pearlman
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posted 04-27-2013 07:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Apollo LUT arm is still there, located near the nose of the Saturn IB, as seen in this NASA photo taken on April 21, 2013.

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posted 04-27-2013 07:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SpaceKSCBlog   Click Here to Email SpaceKSCBlog     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've heard that some of the artifacts in the Rocket Garden actually belong to the Smithsonian, which would complicate matters as it would be their responsibility to fix them, not KSCVC.

Robert, any insights on that?

Robert Pearlman
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posted 04-27-2013 08:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
To the best of my knowledge, the rockets in the garden are NASA property and do not involve the Smithsonian. But I can check on that...

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posted 04-27-2013 08:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SpaceKSCBlog   Click Here to Email SpaceKSCBlog     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
When the Mercury-Atlas was replaced last year by the replica, I was told the Smithsonian had recalled the original. So yes, please check on it. Thanks.

mode1charlie
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posted 04-28-2013 06:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mode1charlie   Click Here to Email mode1charlie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Robert Pearlman:
The Apollo LUT arm is still there, located near the nose of the Saturn IB, as seen in this NASA photo taken on April 21, 2013.
Wow, I can't believe I somehow didn't see that. I must have been looking up all the time. Thanks.

RISPACE
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posted 04-28-2013 08:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RISPACE     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Robert Pearlman:
I don't have many details to share yet, but will inquire what can be said publicly during the next press event.

Thanks for the reply Robert. Hope they have some good news on this.

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