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RISPACE
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posted 04-26-2013 01:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RISPACE     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am wondering if anyone has any info on the possible repair and restoration of the Saturn 1B (SA-109) in the rocket garden at the Kennedy Space Center Visitor Center. Is anything planned?

I was there recently and it is in somewhat bad shape - birds living within, cracked paint, mold and mildew build up, etc. Reminds me of the days when the Saturn V was displayed outside the Vehicle Assembly Building.

mode1charlie
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posted 04-26-2013 11:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mode1charlie   Click Here to Email mode1charlie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That's...alarming.

I checked the article on Wikipedia, and it is SA-209, which was the standby that would have launched a notional Skylab 4 and later Apollo-Soyuz rescue CSM-119. It also would have launched the cancelled CSM mission to lift Skylab workshop's orbit until the Space Shuttle ready to fly. The article notes that "Due to severe corrosion, the first stage engines and Service Module were replaced with fabricated duplicates in 1993–1994."

So this would seem to be the only remaining (formerly) fully launch-ready Saturn IB.

J.L
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posted 04-26-2013 11:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for J.L   Click Here to Email J.L     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Not from 1993-94, but this photo shows the same Saturn 1B (SA-209) being fitted with mock engines before being shipped to Japan in 1978 for the Space Expo.

GACspaceguy
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posted 04-27-2013 05:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GACspaceguy   Click Here to Email GACspaceguy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here are photos I took in 2009:

While peeling paint and mildew are ugly, it is the significant amount of exfoliation corrosion happening on the lower hat section stingers that have me concerned. The last time I was there I saw even more corrosion on some of the main fittings. I cannot even imagine what is going on top side, in places where water can pool after the rain.

I trust they will do something about it at some point and I hope it is not just a pressure wash and a coat of paint.

Robert Pearlman
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posted 04-27-2013 08:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
From what I understand, the Kennedy Space Center Visitor Complex's 10-year master plan, which includes the construction of the Space Shuttle Atlantis exhibit, the recently completed new entranceway into the complex, and the new Rocket Garden restaurant opposite the Rocket Garden, also includes work on the Rocket Garden itself.

SpaceKSCBlog
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posted 04-27-2013 07:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SpaceKSCBlog   Click Here to Email SpaceKSCBlog     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've heard that some of the artifacts in the Rocket Garden actually belong to the Smithsonian, which would complicate matters as it would be their responsibility to fix them, not KSCVC.

Robert Pearlman
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posted 04-27-2013 08:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
To the best of my knowledge, the rockets in the garden are NASA property and do not involve the Smithsonian.

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posted 04-27-2013 08:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SpaceKSCBlog   Click Here to Email SpaceKSCBlog     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
When the Mercury-Atlas was replaced last year by the replica, I was told the Smithsonian had recalled the original.

Robert Pearlman
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posted 02-09-2014 10:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Astronaut Tom Jones shared this photo on Facebook this week:
The Saturn IB booster here at the Kennedy Space Center Visitor Complex is newly refurbished and looks ready to carry an Apollo to orbit. Come visit!

GACspaceguy
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posted 02-09-2014 11:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GACspaceguy   Click Here to Email GACspaceguy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I trust it was reworked and not just painted. I hope to go to KSC shortly and have a look for myself.

tegwilym
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posted 02-09-2014 01:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tegwilym   Click Here to Email tegwilym     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was there before Christmas this year. They had a crew out there painting some of the rockets in the rocket garden. They looked pretty good!

dabolton
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posted 02-09-2014 04:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dabolton   Click Here to Email dabolton     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What was in the shroud that held the lunar module on the Saturn V launches? Was it a mass simulator?

Robert Pearlman
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posted 02-09-2014 05:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
On most Saturn IB flights, the shroud (known as the Spacecraft Launch Adapter, or SLA) was empty, serving as a "structural interstage between the instrument unit atop the S-IVB stage and the service module" (to quote the Apollo 7 press kit).

On Apollo 5, the SLA surrounded the first lunar module to fly in space.

Ronpur
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posted 02-09-2014 06:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ronpur   Click Here to Email Ronpur     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And Apollo 5 had a nosecone atop the SLA and no CSM.

ASTP had a docking module inside its SLA.

contra
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posted 02-10-2014 11:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for contra   Click Here to Email contra     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Took some photos during my last trips in October and again in December 2013.
October 2013; construction fence visible

October 2013; close up of first stage

December 2013; construction fence gone

December 2013; construction fence gone

garymilgrom
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posted 02-10-2014 01:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for garymilgrom   Click Here to Email garymilgrom     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Anyone know what happened to the white room and the walkway leading to it?

xlsteve
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posted 02-10-2014 02:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for xlsteve   Click Here to Email xlsteve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Perhaps in Robert's apartment with the the ISS hatch and shuttle deck plates?

Robert Pearlman
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posted 02-10-2014 03:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I believe it is still where it has always been. During the Saturn IB restoration, the climb-in capsule was moved back to allow for the fencing, but then moved back into place afterwards.

In the fourth photo above, the LUT arm and white room would be behind and to the left of the photographer (Stefan).

(I've already got a white room and access arm kindly stored for at the Rocket Park just outside Johnson Space Center.)

sev8n
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posted 02-10-2014 03:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sev8n     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Looking at the satellite view on Goggle maps, it's still there. It looks like they have re-arranged things a bit.

Ronpur
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posted 03-05-2014 08:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ronpur   Click Here to Email Ronpur     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I took quite a few close ups of the Saturn IB today. It looks very good. I wonder how long the paint will last. The Orion Escape Tower that hasn't been out there very long is very faded since I saw it in November! Florida sun and weather is harsh... just ask my car.

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