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Moonpaws
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posted 10-25-2005 03:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moonpaws   Click Here to Email Moonpaws     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just got around to seeing the list of over 300 items missing from the Cosmosphere. It is tragic. Most of those items will probably stay hidden in someones closet for fear of being confiscated.

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posted 10-25-2005 03:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Of the items that were listed as missing, three boxes of artifacts were turned over by Max Ary's attorney on behalf of him before the case against him began.

Winning bidders for the items auctioned by Superior Galleries were contacted by NASA's Office of the Investigator to turn them over as evidence.

Other items have since been identified as having been loaned to other museums.

The artifacts that may truly go missing for a lack of knowledge are those that were loaned to Universal Studios for the filming of "Apollo 13". If they were not already discarded, they could very well be sitting in prop boxes in a studio warehouse, mixed in among the replicas.

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posted 10-25-2005 04:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jake   Click Here to Email Jake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bummer of a list...!

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posted 10-26-2005 09:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MrSpace86   Click Here to Email MrSpace86     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Robert Pearlman:
The artifacts that may truly go missing for a lack of knowledge are those that were loaned to Universal Studios for the filming of "Apollo 13".
So they gave actual Apollo 13 hardware for the movie?

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posted 10-26-2005 09:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
According to the list (which is available at the link listed above), no Apollo 13 hardware went missing from the filming of "Apollo 13" (though that doesn't rule out that hardware from that flight wasn't used). Among the "props" missing are a CM locker flown on Apollo 15, a beta cloth duct flown on Apollo 9, a couch stowage strap flown on Skylab 2 and CCU cables flown on Apollo 10.

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posted 10-26-2005 03:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ray Katz   Click Here to Email Ray Katz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That Apollo 15 flown command module locker was auctioned at Christie's a few years ago. I remember because I wished more than anything that I could afford it...

I think it sold for $15K...

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posted 10-26-2005 04:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SRB   Click Here to Email SRB     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What is still missing is the $60,000 to $65,000 Max Ary received from selling items in the Superior sales that didn't belong to him. While the Government has gotten back many of the items Ary sold, I don't think any collector has gotten back any money that went to Ary.

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posted 10-26-2005 08:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gimbal_Lock   Click Here to Email Gimbal_Lock     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How do you know the items did not belong to Mr. Ary? Everything is alleged at this point, nothing has been proven.

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posted 10-26-2005 09:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SRB   Click Here to Email SRB     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If you read the press reports here on collectSPACE you will see that Ary's defense to the crime of knowingly taking and selling property that belonged to the Smithsonian and the Kansas Cosmosphere is that he did so by mistake since he thought they were part of his collection, not that he really owns all the items that clearly were part of the museums' collections.

While he may claim that a flag or two were given to him by the astronauts, he is not claiming that all of the dozens of items that he sold and the additional dozens that he had in his house that were "voluntarily" turned over to the court all belong to him. As for his guilt or innocence of the crimes he is charged with, that is still for the jury to decide.

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posted 10-26-2005 10:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MrSpace86   Click Here to Email MrSpace86     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That is true. It sucks that no one is getting back the money they paid for items they have given back. They should be awarded at least a small portion for cooperating.

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posted 10-27-2005 05:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ray Katz:
That Apollo 15 flown command module locker was auctioned at Christie's a few years ago. I remember because I wished more than anything that I could afford it...
I am away on travel right now, so I do not have the catalogs handy to reference, but I believe the particular locker offered was from (ironically/coincidentally) Apollo 13.

Indeed, from our own article covering the 1999 sale:

an equipment stowage locker flown on Apollo 13 (lot 161), estimated at $20,000 - 30,000, closed at $35,000;

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posted 10-27-2005 10:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SRB   Click Here to Email SRB     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Both Ray and Robert are correct. In Christie's 1999 sale a CM A8 locker was sold from the Apollo 13 mission. However, in Christie's 2001 sale a CM A8 locker was sold from the Apollo 15 mission for a hammer price of $15,000, $17,625 with commissions.

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posted 10-27-2005 11:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you Steve, for the clarification. For what it is worth, according to the Cosmosphere inventory, the only "missing" locker from Apollo 15, identied as having been loaned for the filming of "Apollo 13", was an "A1".

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posted 04-22-2008 12:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for snf13   Click Here to Email snf13     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Has anyone gone back to look at their auction catalogs from these years?

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