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stsmithva
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posted 01-28-2017 06:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for stsmithva   Click Here to Email stsmithva     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by David C:
Does anyone know a good source of high resolution color X-15 photos?
Several years ago I made this photo collage in the hope of a Joe Engle signing. I searched for my favorite X-15 images so it shows each stage of an X-15 mission, ending with Engle standing next to the ship.

I will admit that mixing the three different aircraft is a little sloppy aviation-history-wise, but I can't wait to get a 16x24 print made for him to sign. Please feel free to download it if you like.

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posted 01-30-2017 11:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for albatron   Click Here to Email albatron     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by albatron:
I've been working with Joe Henry's lovely wife about this.
I think my post was misinterpreted, Mrs. Engle is spot on top of things, and don't want it to sound otherwise.

Also, please be advised, there will be no mail in for Engle. Sorry.

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posted 01-30-2017 01:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aztecdoug   Click Here to Email Aztecdoug     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by David C:
Does anyone know a good source of high resolution color X-15 photos?
Here are some from the source; scroll down to the bottom for the X-15 program.

David C
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posted 01-31-2017 10:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for David C     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks, got those already. I was thinking of stuff more like what Dennis Jenkins managed to unearth for his books.

albatron
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posted 02-01-2017 04:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for albatron   Click Here to Email albatron     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There has been some confusion over my statement regarding mail in items for Engle. Gen. Engle will not be signing items at Spacefest that would be mailed in. There are no plans for a mail in signing in the future either.

Please contact me direct for further clarity if need be.

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posted 02-02-2017 07:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Daugherty54   Click Here to Email Daugherty54     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Any rough ideas on Engle's signing fees?

albatron
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posted 02-03-2017 09:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for albatron   Click Here to Email albatron     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Not yet - sorry.

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posted 02-03-2017 01:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for JasonB   Click Here to Email JasonB     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My guesstimate is in the $200 range. That's what I'm planning on budgeting.

David C
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posted 02-09-2017 01:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for David C     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Clay Anderson has been added.

David C
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posted 02-11-2017 07:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for David C     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Engle's fees are up. In summary:
  • Base fee: $150
  • Inscriptions: $10 per word
  • X-15 "completion" (already 3+ signatures): $300
More details on the Spacefest site.

Lev M
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posted 02-11-2017 03:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lev M   Click Here to Email Lev M     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Am I the only one who experiences problems to open the Spacefest website? My desktop browsers complain about its certificate.

rgarner
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posted 02-11-2017 03:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for rgarner   Click Here to Email rgarner     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lev, the problem appears when you try to enter the secure version of the site, i.e. httpS. Try entering it without the S and you should be fine. They are aware of the problem, there is no security threat.

On edit: I just checked and it appears that they fixed the issue. The problem you're seeing will be caused by your browser cookies and cache. Clear them both then reopen the page and you should be fine.

Robert Pearlman
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The Spacefest site remains inaccessible in Firefox (Mac), even after clearing cache. Removing the 's' from https simply redirects back to the secure version of the page, which remains blocked.
The page you are trying to view cannot be shown because the authenticity of the received data could not be verified.
The site is reachable in Safari and Chrome.

rgarner
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posted 02-11-2017 04:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for rgarner   Click Here to Email rgarner     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Robert, I'll pass this on.

Lev M
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posted 02-11-2017 04:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lev M   Click Here to Email Lev M     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Chrome on Mac works okay. Chrome, Firefox, IE on Windows have issues. For example, this is what I get in Firefox:
Peer's Certificate has been revoked.
Probably something wrong with the cert or the way it was installed on the server.

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posted 02-12-2017 11:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randy@astro   Click Here to Email Randy@astro     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm looking into the certificate problem. I had the site up with Firefox and Chrome (Windows) before I left on Friday. It's okay on my phone (Android with Chrome), okay on Chromebook. I used a website to check the certificate, it all reports okay.

I do have the site redirecting from http to https. Http doesn't work well on the site.

Spaceflyer
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posted 02-12-2017 11:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Spaceflyer   Click Here to Email Spaceflyer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Same certificate problem on my computer using Chrome.

Randy@astro
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posted 02-12-2017 12:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randy@astro   Click Here to Email Randy@astro     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Discovered the certificate had been revoked. Ugh! A couple minutes with support and a few minutes installing a new certificate and it should be all ok now. I've tested with Win10 IE and Chrome and ran it through a ssl checker website (better than the last one I used). It all reports ok now. Thanks for your patience and your reports!

Robert Pearlman
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posted 02-12-2017 12:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Indeed, now accessible from all browsers. Thanks Randy.

Steve Zarelli
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posted 02-13-2017 03:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Steve Zarelli   Click Here to Email Steve Zarelli     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It was a huge win for Al H and the team to bring in General Engle. No knock on the effort, but the fees are a big disappointment.

I understand there is a "premium" for the opportunity to meet and shake hands, but at some point you have to assess if it makes financial sense.

Adding the General to multi-signed items would be the driver to much of the interest. At $300 a pop, I suspect many people will pass. I have several items I had planned to send that will now go without. Just not a wise use of collecting funds. If it boils down to dollars and cents, his signature will never add $300 of value to an item unless it was literally an X-15 completion item that already had the other 11 signatures.

When I see stuff like this I wonder how we expect to attract new collectors into the hobby. And if we don't, who is going to be a buyer when it comes time to sell a few years down the road?

David C
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posted 02-13-2017 03:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for David C     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It probably doesn't make sense financially, much like the prices paid for Aldrin's in person signings in recent years. I have a bunch of the General's autographs, most recently on a model of his F-100 from the 474th FS that only cost $22 extra for the signature, and that was just two years ago.

But sometimes it's not just the money. For me, it's a chance to meet the last X-15 pilot, and a chance to get items inscribed - previously impossible. I'm a big believer in inscriptions (but not personalisations) to produce a unique item. Is it a wise investment? Probably not, but I'll enjoy it.

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posted 02-13-2017 05:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for JasonB   Click Here to Email JasonB     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think a few guys are overpriced, but it also depends on the item you're getting signed. If you're getting a basic photo it's overpriced, but when you add in getting a photo and conversation with them it's almost always worth it. Also I've found that a lot of guys add extra stuff for free or don't always follow their fee schedule at shows. They tend to shave off charging for extra words. It's not something you can count on but it's a nice surprise and no one but astronauts do it.

Also the prices at other cons have really skyrocketed with separate charges and lines for autographs and photos. We're very fortunate astronauts tend to do both for one fee. I wish some people were cheaper in certain areas but it could be a lot worse. I think Engle's basic fee of $150 is reasonable.

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posted 02-13-2017 05:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hart Sastrowardoyo   Click Here to Email Hart Sastrowardoyo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Steve Zarelli:
If it boils down to dollars and cents, his signature will never add $300 of value to an item unless it was literally an X-15 completion item that already had the other 11 signatures.
Many fees do not add a corresponding 1:1 value to an item. Buzz Aldrin's $600 fee to a photo of just himself on the moon? Even the shuttle astronauts charging $40, $50 a signature do not add that to a signed photo of theirs. I have a photo showing and signed by both Seddon and Gibson — will it sell for their combined fee? I don't think so.

Don't get me wrong, if Engle were charging $50 I'd probably get three items signed instead of choosing just one at $150. Or I'd get other stuff signed at Spacefest, not just from Engle.

But I for one am happy Engle is signing, at a fee that doesn't cause me too much pain — and having lost an item I sent to him years ago. It also fills a gap in my collection, even more so since I've met him once and seen him a second time.

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posted 02-14-2017 08:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Daugherty54   Click Here to Email Daugherty54     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The fees for autographs are generally higher than what you could get for the item on the market but... with that said, these are my items and have personal value as my collectible. I don't expect to ever really profit from my hobby.

I wrote to General Engle a couple years ago and he refused to signed due to sellers on eBay and suggested I just buy one off eBay. I elected to pass so getting a X-15 model and his portrait signed is worth it (even though I agree it is a bit high).

By way of comparison check this out. This makes Engle look cheap.

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posted 02-14-2017 10:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hart Sastrowardoyo   Click Here to Email Hart Sastrowardoyo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by JasonB:
Also the prices at other cons have really skyrocketed with separate charges and lines for autographs and photos.
One of many reasons why I got out of collecting Star Trek autographs was not the fee to have a photo taken with someone, but of someone. $5. I was so stunned I took the photo and paid the fee just so I'd be sure I wasn't dreaming.

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Yeah, a lot of cons won't even let you take a picture of the person signing your item. Also they charge extra for literally everything.

Astronaut shows are far more loose and easy going than any other show I've ever attended. If you haven't attended one you better go and enjoy it because these are the last celebrities you will ever have this much freedom with.

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posted 02-25-2017 03:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SpaceyInMN   Click Here to Email SpaceyInMN     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Have the signing fees for Michael Collins been posted yet? Does he charge less to sign a book that he authored, as some astronauts do? Also, does he charge extra for a mission inscription (i.e. Apollo 11 CMP)?

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Advise on transporting models with you while flying? I have three models that I hope to take to Spacefest for signing. My current plan is to use a box less than 9 inches high that will fit under a seat, with adequate packing to protect them from shifting.

Experiences with issues, problems or disasters while transporting like this?

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posted 02-26-2017 06:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for stsmithva   Click Here to Email stsmithva     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This wouldn't work for all models, but I came home from the ASF weekend one year with two models wrapped in my clothes in my suitcase. Lots of room and padding.

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I took a solid resin 1/144 scale RealSpace Models' Skylab workshop model from Savannah to San Diego for Spacefest 2009. No issues going, but once signed I almost was not allowed to bring it home. TSA was not going to let it on in my carry on, until someone with some higher rank and model knowledge let me pass, whew.

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What does Ron Woods generally charge to sign? And does he have any restrictions (such as "no covers", "no index cards", "no SpaceShots cards", etc.)?

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posted 03-02-2017 08:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for albatron   Click Here to Email albatron     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We're not ready yet to post fees.
quote:
Originally posted by rlobinske:
Experiences with issues, problems or disasters while transporting like this?
I've taken models — I've found it's much easier to box them in styrofoam or other similar packaging, and ship them to the resort. Address it to you (and in paren Guest Arriving with the date) at the resort. They'll hold it for you. Bring return postage and they'll ship it back out.

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posted 03-02-2017 08:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just to add to what Al wrote, the Starr Pass has a UPS Store on premises, so you can arrange return shipping without having to worry about bringing proper postage with you.

One thing to note though, the Starr Pass (through the UPS Store, which handles all of its packages, regardless of postal service used) charges an additional handling fee (based on the weight of the package) for all packages incoming to the resort.

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posted 03-02-2017 08:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for albatron   Click Here to Email albatron     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A couple of housekeeping items:
  1. Dennis Jenkins should be attending. What would the demand be for his new book on the shuttle? I ask because it's a three-volume set and pricey. This tells us how many, if any, to order. This isn't your standard size book. Please email your reply.

  2. Stay tuned - two more astronaut guests to be announced, just fine tuning the details as we type. As soon as I know I'll post it.

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posted 03-02-2017 09:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for albatron   Click Here to Email albatron     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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...charges an additional handling fee (based on the weight of the package) for all packages incoming to the resort.
Thanks - I wasn't aware of that but I used USPS as opposed to UPS, so I was never charged a fee. You do have to go to the shipping dock out back to pick it up and leave USPS items.

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If using FedEx Ground, you can send your package to a FedEx Office and pick it up at no extra charge. Doing this is called "Hold At Location," I believe.

The UPS Store at the hotel wants about $10 per package.

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posted 03-03-2017 08:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The schedule for Spacefest 8 is now online.
It's all filled except for book signings. We'll get those posted on Monday. This should help in making your travel and weekend plans. Times and speakers shown for talks and panels have all been confirmed, but are subject to change or cancellation.

Some things are out of our hands. While we cannot absolutely guarantee all times and talks, this is close to the final schedule for Movies, Talks, and Panels. Times for both luncheons, the banquet, VIP Reception, Movies, Art Show, Exhibitor, and Astronauts are firm.

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posted 03-04-2017 09:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for albatron   Click Here to Email albatron     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Announcing new autograph guest and Shuttle/MOL panel member Karol "Bo" Bobko. We spoke last night and ironed out the details.

Bobko as you know, was an MOL selectee, then transferred to NASA and was pilot for the first flight of Challenger (STS-6), and mission commander for the first flight of Atlantis (STS-51J) and commander for STS-51D.

Also a little known fact: He was a member of the very first class of the USAF Academy, class of 1959.

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Thomas Stafford has been confirmed as attending.

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I'm planning to send a WSS litho with another cS member to get signed at Spacefest. Regarding an extra inscription, do astronauts typically care how many words are in the inscription? I would guess not, since I'd be paying per word, but I just thought I'd better ask first rather than assume.


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