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Topic: Spacefest 8, June 2017, Starr Pass (Tucson)
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stsmithva
Member Posts: 1933
From: Fairfax, VA, USA
Registered: Feb 2007
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posted 01-28-2017 06:59 AM
   
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Originally posted by David C:
Does anyone know a good source of high resolution color X-15 photos?
Several years ago I made this photo collage in the hope of a Joe Engle signing. I searched for my favorite X-15 images so it shows each stage of an X-15 mission, ending with Engle standing next to the ship. I will admit that mixing the three different aircraft is a little sloppy aviation-history-wise, but I can't wait to get a 16x24 print made for him to sign. Please feel free to download it if you like.  |
albatron
Member Posts: 2732
From: Stuart, Florida
Registered: Jun 2000
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posted 01-30-2017 11:07 AM
quote:
Originally posted by albatron:
I've been working with Joe Henry's lovely wife about this.
I think my post was misinterpreted, Mrs. Engle is spot on top of things, and don't want it to sound otherwise. Also, please be advised, there will be no mail in for Engle. Sorry. |
Aztecdoug
Member Posts: 1405
From: Huntington Beach
Registered: Feb 2000
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posted 01-30-2017 01:45 PM
quote:
Originally posted by David C:
Does anyone know a good source of high resolution color X-15 photos?
Here are some from the source; scroll down to the bottom for the X-15 program. |
David C
Member Posts: 1015
From: Lausanne
Registered: Apr 2012
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posted 01-31-2017 10:23 AM
Thanks, got those already. I was thinking of stuff more like what Dennis Jenkins managed to unearth for his books. |
albatron
Member Posts: 2732
From: Stuart, Florida
Registered: Jun 2000
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posted 02-01-2017 04:34 PM
There has been some confusion over my statement regarding mail in items for Engle. Gen. Engle will not be signing items at Spacefest that would be mailed in. There are no plans for a mail in signing in the future either. Please contact me direct for further clarity if need be. |
Daugherty54
Member Posts: 591
From: Cabot, Arkansas, USA
Registered: Sep 2010
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posted 02-02-2017 07:33 PM
Any rough ideas on Engle's signing fees?
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albatron
Member Posts: 2732
From: Stuart, Florida
Registered: Jun 2000
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posted 02-03-2017 09:17 AM
Not yet - sorry. |
JasonB
Member Posts: 1091
From:
Registered: Sep 2003
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posted 02-03-2017 01:35 PM
My guesstimate is in the $200 range. That's what I'm planning on budgeting. |
David C
Member Posts: 1015
From: Lausanne
Registered: Apr 2012
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posted 02-09-2017 01:23 PM
Clay Anderson has been added. |
David C
Member Posts: 1015
From: Lausanne
Registered: Apr 2012
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posted 02-11-2017 07:43 AM
Engle's fees are up. In summary: - Base fee: $150
- Inscriptions: $10 per word
- X-15 "completion" (already 3+ signatures): $300
More details on the Spacefest site. |
Lev M
Member Posts: 139
From: Canada
Registered: Nov 2012
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posted 02-11-2017 03:03 PM
Am I the only one who experiences problems to open the Spacefest website? My desktop browsers complain about its certificate. |
rgarner
Member Posts: 1193
From: Shepperton, United Kingdom
Registered: Mar 2012
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posted 02-11-2017 03:12 PM
Lev, the problem appears when you try to enter the secure version of the site, i.e. httpS. Try entering it without the S and you should be fine. They are aware of the problem, there is no security threat.On edit: I just checked and it appears that they fixed the issue. The problem you're seeing will be caused by your browser cookies and cache. Clear them both then reopen the page and you should be fine. |
Robert Pearlman
Editor Posts: 42988
From: Houston, TX
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 02-11-2017 03:59 PM
The Spacefest site remains inaccessible in Firefox (Mac), even after clearing cache. Removing the 's' from https simply redirects back to the secure version of the page, which remains blocked. The page you are trying to view cannot be shown because the authenticity of the received data could not be verified. The site is reachable in Safari and Chrome. |
rgarner
Member Posts: 1193
From: Shepperton, United Kingdom
Registered: Mar 2012
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posted 02-11-2017 04:08 PM
Thanks Robert, I'll pass this on. |
Lev M
Member Posts: 139
From: Canada
Registered: Nov 2012
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posted 02-11-2017 04:51 PM
Chrome on Mac works okay. Chrome, Firefox, IE on Windows have issues. For example, this is what I get in Firefox: Peer's Certificate has been revoked. Probably something wrong with the cert or the way it was installed on the server. |
Randy@astro
Member Posts: 44
From: Tucson, AZ USA
Registered: Jul 2004
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posted 02-12-2017 11:17 AM
I'm looking into the certificate problem. I had the site up with Firefox and Chrome (Windows) before I left on Friday. It's okay on my phone (Android with Chrome), okay on Chromebook. I used a website to check the certificate, it all reports okay.I do have the site redirecting from http to https. Http doesn't work well on the site. |
Spaceflyer
Member Posts: 194
From: Nauheim, Germany
Registered: Jan 2003
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posted 02-12-2017 11:25 AM
Same certificate problem on my computer using Chrome. |
Randy@astro
Member Posts: 44
From: Tucson, AZ USA
Registered: Jul 2004
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posted 02-12-2017 12:43 PM
Discovered the certificate had been revoked. Ugh! A couple minutes with support and a few minutes installing a new certificate and it should be all ok now. I've tested with Win10 IE and Chrome and ran it through a ssl checker website (better than the last one I used). It all reports ok now. Thanks for your patience and your reports! |
Robert Pearlman
Editor Posts: 42988
From: Houston, TX
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 02-12-2017 12:55 PM
Indeed, now accessible from all browsers. Thanks Randy. |
Steve Zarelli
Member Posts: 731
From: Upstate New York, USA
Registered: Mar 2001
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posted 02-13-2017 03:08 PM
It was a huge win for Al H and the team to bring in General Engle. No knock on the effort, but the fees are a big disappointment.I understand there is a "premium" for the opportunity to meet and shake hands, but at some point you have to assess if it makes financial sense. Adding the General to multi-signed items would be the driver to much of the interest. At $300 a pop, I suspect many people will pass. I have several items I had planned to send that will now go without. Just not a wise use of collecting funds. If it boils down to dollars and cents, his signature will never add $300 of value to an item unless it was literally an X-15 completion item that already had the other 11 signatures. When I see stuff like this I wonder how we expect to attract new collectors into the hobby. And if we don't, who is going to be a buyer when it comes time to sell a few years down the road? |
David C
Member Posts: 1015
From: Lausanne
Registered: Apr 2012
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posted 02-13-2017 03:54 PM
It probably doesn't make sense financially, much like the prices paid for Aldrin's in person signings in recent years. I have a bunch of the General's autographs, most recently on a model of his F-100 from the 474th FS that only cost $22 extra for the signature, and that was just two years ago.But sometimes it's not just the money. For me, it's a chance to meet the last X-15 pilot, and a chance to get items inscribed - previously impossible. I'm a big believer in inscriptions (but not personalisations) to produce a unique item. Is it a wise investment? Probably not, but I'll enjoy it. |
JasonB
Member Posts: 1091
From:
Registered: Sep 2003
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posted 02-13-2017 05:01 PM
I think a few guys are overpriced, but it also depends on the item you're getting signed. If you're getting a basic photo it's overpriced, but when you add in getting a photo and conversation with them it's almost always worth it. Also I've found that a lot of guys add extra stuff for free or don't always follow their fee schedule at shows. They tend to shave off charging for extra words. It's not something you can count on but it's a nice surprise and no one but astronauts do it.Also the prices at other cons have really skyrocketed with separate charges and lines for autographs and photos. We're very fortunate astronauts tend to do both for one fee. I wish some people were cheaper in certain areas but it could be a lot worse. I think Engle's basic fee of $150 is reasonable. |
Hart Sastrowardoyo
Member Posts: 3445
From: Toms River, NJ
Registered: Aug 2000
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posted 02-13-2017 05:17 PM
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Originally posted by Steve Zarelli:
If it boils down to dollars and cents, his signature will never add $300 of value to an item unless it was literally an X-15 completion item that already had the other 11 signatures.
Many fees do not add a corresponding 1:1 value to an item. Buzz Aldrin's $600 fee to a photo of just himself on the moon? Even the shuttle astronauts charging $40, $50 a signature do not add that to a signed photo of theirs. I have a photo showing and signed by both Seddon and Gibson — will it sell for their combined fee? I don't think so.Don't get me wrong, if Engle were charging $50 I'd probably get three items signed instead of choosing just one at $150. Or I'd get other stuff signed at Spacefest, not just from Engle. But I for one am happy Engle is signing, at a fee that doesn't cause me too much pain  — and having lost an item I sent to him years ago. It also fills a gap in my collection, even more so since I've met him once and seen him a second time. |
Daugherty54
Member Posts: 591
From: Cabot, Arkansas, USA
Registered: Sep 2010
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posted 02-14-2017 08:39 AM
The fees for autographs are generally higher than what you could get for the item on the market but... with that said, these are my items and have personal value as my collectible. I don't expect to ever really profit from my hobby. I wrote to General Engle a couple years ago and he refused to signed due to sellers on eBay and suggested I just buy one off eBay. I elected to pass so getting a X-15 model and his portrait signed is worth it (even though I agree it is a bit high). By way of comparison check this out. This makes Engle look cheap. |
Hart Sastrowardoyo
Member Posts: 3445
From: Toms River, NJ
Registered: Aug 2000
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posted 02-14-2017 10:37 AM
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Originally posted by JasonB:
Also the prices at other cons have really skyrocketed with separate charges and lines for autographs and photos.
One of many reasons why I got out of collecting Star Trek autographs was not the fee to have a photo taken with someone, but of someone. $5. I was so stunned I took the photo and paid the fee just so I'd be sure I wasn't dreaming. |
JasonB
Member Posts: 1091
From:
Registered: Sep 2003
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posted 02-14-2017 01:20 PM
Yeah, a lot of cons won't even let you take a picture of the person signing your item. Also they charge extra for literally everything. Astronaut shows are far more loose and easy going than any other show I've ever attended. If you haven't attended one you better go and enjoy it because these are the last celebrities you will ever have this much freedom with. |
SpaceyInMN
Member Posts: 355
From: Andover, MN
Registered: Dec 2013
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posted 02-25-2017 03:00 PM
Have the signing fees for Michael Collins been posted yet? Does he charge less to sign a book that he authored, as some astronauts do? Also, does he charge extra for a mission inscription (i.e. Apollo 11 CMP)? |
rlobinske
Member Posts: 148
From: Crawfordville, FL
Registered: Oct 2014
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posted 02-26-2017 06:08 PM
Advise on transporting models with you while flying? I have three models that I hope to take to Spacefest for signing. My current plan is to use a box less than 9 inches high that will fit under a seat, with adequate packing to protect them from shifting. Experiences with issues, problems or disasters while transporting like this? |
stsmithva
Member Posts: 1933
From: Fairfax, VA, USA
Registered: Feb 2007
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posted 02-26-2017 06:31 PM
This wouldn't work for all models, but I came home from the ASF weekend one year with two models wrapped in my clothes in my suitcase. Lots of room and padding. |
GACspaceguy
Member Posts: 2476
From: Guyton, GA
Registered: Jan 2006
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posted 02-26-2017 08:28 PM
I took a solid resin 1/144 scale RealSpace Models' Skylab workshop model from Savannah to San Diego for Spacefest 2009. No issues going, but once signed I almost was not allowed to bring it home. TSA was not going to let it on in my carry on, until someone with some higher rank and model knowledge let me pass, whew. |
Mike_The_First
Member Posts: 436
From: USA
Registered: Jun 2014
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posted 03-01-2017 10:19 PM
What does Ron Woods generally charge to sign? And does he have any restrictions (such as "no covers", "no index cards", "no SpaceShots cards", etc.)? |
albatron
Member Posts: 2732
From: Stuart, Florida
Registered: Jun 2000
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posted 03-02-2017 08:33 AM
We're not ready yet to post fees. quote:
Originally posted by rlobinske:
Experiences with issues, problems or disasters while transporting like this?
I've taken models — I've found it's much easier to box them in styrofoam or other similar packaging, and ship them to the resort. Address it to you (and in paren Guest Arriving with the date) at the resort. They'll hold it for you. Bring return postage and they'll ship it back out. |
Robert Pearlman
Editor Posts: 42988
From: Houston, TX
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 03-02-2017 08:47 AM
Just to add to what Al wrote, the Starr Pass has a UPS Store on premises, so you can arrange return shipping without having to worry about bringing proper postage with you.One thing to note though, the Starr Pass (through the UPS Store, which handles all of its packages, regardless of postal service used) charges an additional handling fee (based on the weight of the package) for all packages incoming to the resort. |
albatron
Member Posts: 2732
From: Stuart, Florida
Registered: Jun 2000
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posted 03-02-2017 08:51 AM
A couple of housekeeping items: - Dennis Jenkins should be attending. What would the demand be for his new book on the shuttle? I ask because it's a three-volume set and pricey. This tells us how many, if any, to order. This isn't your standard size book. Please email your reply.
- Stay tuned - two more astronaut guests to be announced, just fine tuning the details as we type. As soon as I know I'll post it.
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albatron
Member Posts: 2732
From: Stuart, Florida
Registered: Jun 2000
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posted 03-02-2017 09:29 AM
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Originally posted by Robert Pearlman:
...charges an additional handling fee (based on the weight of the package) for all packages incoming to the resort.
Thanks - I wasn't aware of that but I used USPS as opposed to UPS, so I was never charged a fee. You do have to go to the shipping dock out back to pick it up and leave USPS items. |
JasonIUP
Member Posts: 282
From: PA
Registered: Apr 2004
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posted 03-02-2017 10:58 AM
If using FedEx Ground, you can send your package to a FedEx Office and pick it up at no extra charge. Doing this is called "Hold At Location," I believe. The UPS Store at the hotel wants about $10 per package. |
Robert Pearlman
Editor Posts: 42988
From: Houston, TX
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 03-03-2017 08:12 PM
The schedule for Spacefest 8 is now online. It's all filled except for book signings. We'll get those posted on Monday. This should help in making your travel and weekend plans. Times and speakers shown for talks and panels have all been confirmed, but are subject to change or cancellation.Some things are out of our hands. While we cannot absolutely guarantee all times and talks, this is close to the final schedule for Movies, Talks, and Panels. Times for both luncheons, the banquet, VIP Reception, Movies, Art Show, Exhibitor, and Astronauts are firm. |
albatron
Member Posts: 2732
From: Stuart, Florida
Registered: Jun 2000
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posted 03-04-2017 09:28 AM
Announcing new autograph guest and Shuttle/MOL panel member Karol "Bo" Bobko. We spoke last night and ironed out the details. Bobko as you know, was an MOL selectee, then transferred to NASA and was pilot for the first flight of Challenger (STS-6), and mission commander for the first flight of Atlantis (STS-51J) and commander for STS-51D. Also a little known fact: He was a member of the very first class of the USAF Academy, class of 1959. |
Robert Pearlman
Editor Posts: 42988
From: Houston, TX
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 03-10-2017 03:06 PM
Thomas Stafford has been confirmed as attending. |
SpaceyInMN
Member Posts: 355
From: Andover, MN
Registered: Dec 2013
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posted 03-27-2017 12:52 PM
I'm planning to send a WSS litho with another cS member to get signed at Spacefest. Regarding an extra inscription, do astronauts typically care how many words are in the inscription? I would guess not, since I'd be paying per word, but I just thought I'd better ask first rather than assume. |
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