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Penney Kols
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posted 08-20-2009 12:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Penney Kols     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Regency-Superior continues to celebrate the 40th Anniversary of America's first trip to the Moon with our second Aviation and Space Memorabilia Auction this year. This auction is scheduled for Wednesday, October 7th in Beverly Hills, California, and includes 770 space lots. There is literally something for everyone. Items from early Aviation are complemented by items from all periods of Space exploration with many artifacts that have never been offered before.

From the early aviation era, Regency-Superior is offering an extremely rare flown cover from Jeanette Piccard's 1934 Stratospheric Balloon Flight (lot 13). This cover is signed by Jeanette and her husband Jean (aide). This was her attempt to become the 'First Woman in Space' (as acknowledged later by Valentina Tereshkova). This cover is the Rolls Royce among ballooning covers, and is in pristine condition.

The Mercury and Gemini sections are loaded with great autograph lots, as well as flown and unflown items. Notable is an unusual Mercury 7 cover (lot 88) signed by all seven astronauts who added their ranks below their signatures. There is also a U.S.S. Lake Champlain Prime Recovery Ship cover for Alan Shepard's flight (lot 102). Gemini highlights include a great color photo signed by 13 different Gemini astronauts (lot 126), an Ed White & Jim McDivitt signed photo (lot 135), and a flown U.S. flag from GT-5 (lot 139).

The Apollo section includes many scarce and important items, including:

  • Lunar Module Landing Strut Assembly from Grumman (lot 174)
  • Lunar Module Landing Gear, Upper Segment (lot 175)
  • nine different single signed Neil Armstrong items
  • seven different Apollo 11 complete crew signed items
  • Apollo 12 flown mission patch (lot 273)
  • Apollo 13 flown and signed Beta Cloth patch (lot 289)
  • Apollo 14 flown mission patch (lot 305)
  • Apollo 16 flown flag (lot 340)
  • Apollo 17 flown Lunar Surface Checklist (lot 352)
  • plus thousands of covers and photographs
The ASTP section is highlighted by an incredible 1975 flown Table Medal (lot 389). This 2-1/4" table medal is made of two pieces, one of which flew on Soyuz, and the other on Apollo! It was then assembled after both spacecraft docked in space. The original case and plaque are included.

The entire auction is now available online for viewing and bidding at RegencySuperior.com. Free color catalogs are available by calling toll-free 1-800-782-0066.

For specific questions regarding this space auction, please contact Alan Lipkin.

Good luck with your bidding!
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spaceflori
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posted 08-22-2009 12:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for spaceflori   Click Here to Email spaceflori     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Any news re. a new live-bidding system? I can't see anything on the website.

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posted 08-22-2009 05:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for cjh5801   Click Here to Email cjh5801     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Any opinions on these two Armstrong-signed covers?

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The Hubble Solar Cell lucite offered as Lot 10 is the first such example I have seen which is serially numbered (to include the cell within my collection). Anybody else run across other HST Lucites bearing serial numbers or know what the potential significance may be in the disparity?

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posted 08-22-2009 10:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mjanovec   Click Here to Email mjanovec     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Overall, there appears to be a nice selection of lots. However, a few lots give me some concern after a quick review:

Lots 238 and 242 - The Aldrin signatures displayed don't give me a lot of confidence. They could be rushed (238) or odd due to a thick pen (242), but I don't think they make a great investment (unless other signatures in these lots can be reviewed and appear to be more typical).

Lot 246 - A few details of this autograph give me pause for concern. Any potential buyer should research this one further.

Lots 248-249 - While there may be provenance to support these two items as being authentic, I personally feel they would be a terrible investment. Should you ever have to re-sell these items someday, you'll have nothing but trouble convincing others these signatures are real.

Lot 258 - The Aldrin and Collins appear authentic (and are most likely from recent signings). But the Armstrong appears odd and is likely a forgery, in my opinion.

Lot 262 - The Armstrong here appears to match an identified secretarial style that originated from KSC...or at least appears quite similar to that style. Regardless of it's origin, it doesn't appear to match an authentic Armstrong signature style.

The above statements are my personal opinions. Anyone looking to purchase these (or any other) signatures is best advised to seek additional opinions, if possible.

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posted 08-22-2009 12:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mjanovec   Click Here to Email mjanovec     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by cjh5801:
Any opinions on these two Armstrong-signed covers?
Lot 254 looks fine to me. Lot 253 might be okay, but a larger scan is needed. There appears to be a little hesitation in the signature that concerns me.

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posted 08-22-2009 04:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cjh5801   Click Here to Email cjh5801     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was also wondering about the Alan Shepard signature in Lot 91. It appears to my untrained eye to have similarities to the secretarial signatures illustrated on Chris Spain's Astronaut Autopen Guide page.

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posted 08-22-2009 04:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for spaced out   Click Here to Email spaced out     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, the Shepard in Lot 91 looks to be a secretarial to me.

mjanovec
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posted 08-22-2009 04:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mjanovec   Click Here to Email mjanovec     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I had not seen that one on my first review of the auction. It definitely matches one of the secretarial styles...which is too bad, since the other 5 signatures appear to be fine.

Ken Havekotte
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posted 08-22-2009 09:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ken Havekotte   Click Here to Email Ken Havekotte     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'll certainly agree with "mjanovec" in that all the sigs are good except Shepard. In fact, the Shepard is an earlier NASA secretarial, while the others are of later vintage era.

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posted 08-29-2009 04:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mercurypgm   Click Here to Email Mercurypgm     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Neil Armstrong lots #248 and #249 are real. I know this for a fact as I myself got them.

Lot 248 was signed on the 13th hole of the Doug Sanders Golf Tourney in Kingwood, Texas. Just as Armstrong sat down in his golf cart on the passenger side I handed him the picture and red pen and almost at that exact moment his playing partner started the golf cart and drove off. Well, I ran about 200 yards to get the item and my pen back and what you see is the result.

Lot 249 was obtained that same day on the 18th hole as Armstrong made his way off the green exiting through the crowd which was about 20 people deep surrounding the green. They were watching the golfers and Armstrong was all but ignored. The crowd control was terrible and as he fought his way through the crowd surrounding the green I handed him the picture and pen and he literally signed it above his head which was the only place he could hold the picture.

Armstrong played numerous times at the Doug Sanders Celebrity golf tourney and living in Houston he was here numerous other times back in the good old days.

In person signatures under "difficult" situations can be tough and one never knows what may happen.

I also want to correct some comments regarding three Armstrongs that I consigned in the April auction. Lots 224 and 225 also came from me and were also obtained at the Doug Sanders by my sister. Lot 234 was one I bought on eBay. Alan Lipkins's comments were incorrect when he said that Lot 234 was an in-person. What doesn't show clearly on that lot is where the pen had skipped several times in the signature making it look a bit odd but the handwriting is Armstrong's.

I am sorry the two Armstrongs are so ugly but they are 100% authentic and that is noted on the back of the lithos. In 1992 there wasn't all this fuss over what is real and what is a forgery as there was no eBay, Armstrong still signed for people and the world was a simpler place.

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posted 09-05-2009 11:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MadSci     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just received a free catalog in the mail - which was very nice, thanks Alan! - and almost certainly indicates I am spending way too much on this hobby.

The catalog states that there will be live bidding for the auction, but not by what system. It points you to regencysuperior.com, which doesn't have specific information on it at this time that I can see.

I expect we'll hear from Alan soon.

Alan Lipkin
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posted 09-10-2009 12:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Alan Lipkin   Click Here to Email Alan Lipkin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Live bidding will be available for the Wednesday, October 7, 2009 Space Memorabilia auction. It will be on Regency-Superior's website beginning approximately September 21st for registration.

We will hold down the speed of the sale to enable potential bidders to participate as much as possible. No rushing or closing lots before activity has been allowed to both the floor and the internet.

If you have any questions about registration or the bidding process please email Cathy Skinner: cskinner@regencysuperior.com any time before the sale. To speak with her call: 1-800-782-0066 (from overseas call:1-314-361-5695) prior to sale date. On October 7, auction date she can be reached at: 1-310-553-5475.

The entire sale is now up on our website with current opening bid listed. You may currently place a bid on our "book" or wait until Sep. 21st to register to bid live.

I hope that this covers the basics. We will be moving to a complete upgrade of our auction software from a company called SimpleSite (Blue Dog Software) this will be a great improvement in all aspects of the sale. I will try to keep you up to date on the progress. The new system will be live and interactive, your bids will be immediately entered into the system. We are really looking forward to this and other innovations in the coming months.

If you have any direct questions, I will be happy to answer them, my email address is: alipkin@regencysuperior.com

Thank you all for your patience, understanding, business and friendship.

MadSci
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posted 09-12-2009 11:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MadSci     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Great news Alan.

I renew my offer to assist in a 'dry run' i.e. fake auction, if you wish to test the system. I suspect you could round up a fair number of volunteers.

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posted 09-14-2009 03:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tykeanaut   Click Here to Email Tykeanaut     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I guess there is a plausible explanation but I'm puzzled with lot #616. It's a 1969 moon landing cover signed by Elliot See.

As he passed away in 1966, perhaps he signed a blank envelope? Odd but maybe possibility?

Alan Lipkin
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posted 09-14-2009 04:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Alan Lipkin   Click Here to Email Alan Lipkin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Confused me as well! I have seen blank envelopes signed by various astronauts including See. My guess is the same as yours, the cover was cancelled at least 3.5 years after it was signed. (That should have been noted in the description).
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posted 09-14-2009 05:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SpaceSteve   Click Here to Email SpaceSteve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A similar item to the Elliot See 1969 Apollo cover, is lot #401 in R&R Auction's September auction. It's a cover postmarked Jul 16, 1976, and again Jul 20, 1979, commemorating Apollo 11. It's signed by Neil Armstrong, but the signature is Neil's X-15 days, all-letters-legible signature.

I also have a cover signed by Hollywood actress Ginger Rogers, but postmarked the day she died. The company that issued it was planning the cover to commemorate her winning the Academy Award, but before that anniversary came up, she died, and the company changed plans and had the envelopes postmarked then.

I agree that it can be confusing, but it is entirely plausible.

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posted 09-14-2009 08:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for stsmithva   Click Here to Email stsmithva     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Some celebrities won't sign blank envelopes because they think having it postmarked in some special way after they pass away is odd or even ghoulish. Gerald Ford signed several things for me back in the 1990s, but not a blank envelope upon which I was going to put a stamp commemorating him on its first day of issue. (Such a stamp would, of course, only come out after his death.) I think such things are interesting, but I can understand the opinion of someone who won't sign.

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posted 09-20-2009 02:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Philip   Click Here to Email Philip     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It looks like Regency will be changing its website tomorrow, and we'll get other login and passwords!

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posted 09-20-2009 03:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for freshspot   Click Here to Email freshspot     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I also got the email from R-S about the new website. While it is good that they are upgrading the live bidding application, it is completely and utterly insane that they force a user name on their customers.

It is bad practice to force usernames as people either a) forget them and then lose out on spur of the moment bidding or b) need to write them down which is highly non-secure.

I certainly hope that there is a facility to change the user name.

Penney Kols
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posted 09-21-2009 04:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Penney Kols     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We intended for all old passwords and log-ons to carry over to our new site, but I'm afraid that it didn't work out that way. Please use the new password that was emailed to you over the weekend. You can then change your password once you're logged in. Go to the upper right-hand corner, and click on 'My Account'. At the bottom of that page will be a selection for you to change your password.

Hope that helps. Please feel free to call toll-free w/ any other questions: 1-800-782-0066 or email: info@RegencySuperior.com

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posted 09-22-2009 08:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for benguttery   Click Here to Email benguttery     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Before anyone goes on a town hall type rampage, try it out. It is excellent.

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posted 09-22-2009 10:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mercurypgm   Click Here to Email Mercurypgm     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just wanted to let folks know that I confirmed with Reg-Sup that the commission rate for buyers is 17% regardless of how you bid. There is no longer a 5% permium for live bidding on the day of the auction. Hurray.

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posted 09-22-2009 12:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for spaceflori   Click Here to Email spaceflori     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Great news indeed with the commission!

With the ever-losing US-$ vs Euro it should be interesting for Europeans again this time. (Not that I'm too happy as a seller...)

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posted 09-23-2009 11:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Philip   Click Here to Email Philip     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, just checked the login credentials they gave me and those don't even work!

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posted 09-24-2009 07:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mercurypgm   Click Here to Email Mercurypgm     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A simple call or e-mail to Reg-Sup usually solves any problems. I was having trouble getting onto the site and was told I needed to do one of two things... One was to clear my computer cache as typing in RegencySuperior.com tried to access their old home site which no longer is accessible (my ignorance of basic computer workings). Also, if you still have any problems getting to the site you can try Regencystamps.com which brings you to the site as well. Instead of complaining, people should try working with Reg-Sup during these times of conversion.

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posted 10-03-2009 11:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for space-coins   Click Here to Email space-coins     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Penney Kols:
The ASTP section is highlighted by an incredible 1975 flown Table Medal (lot 389).
I do have one of those ASTP flown medals as well and would like to post some more pictures/information.

It is a very light weighted medal (.5oz) and 2 1/4" (56mm) in diameter. It appears to be made of some kind of plastic with a silver coloured coating.

Depending on how the auction goes I might consider selling mine as well - and retire after that.

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posted 10-03-2009 12:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Per the description of the medal by Regency, it is "made of two pieces, one of which flew on Soyuz, and the other on Apollo". Where does the medal pictured separate into two?

I own a flown medal from Alexei Leonov's collection that separates into two halves, which you can see him practicing the assembly of in NASA photo S75-24926. According to another crew member, these Apollo and Soyuz unified-in-flight coins are quite rare.

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posted 10-03-2009 01:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for space-coins   Click Here to Email space-coins     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
To confirm that the medal I have is the same one they have up for auction I asked Regency the exact same question. Here is the response:
There appear to be a separate Soyuz and a separate Apollo each glued to the circular medallion. We can see where the pieces were glued to the backing, but do not have the equipment to photo it in enough detail.

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posted 10-03-2009 01:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The auction description translates the plaque accompanying the medal as saying that this medal was "connected" in space.

So, if I am understanding this correctly, it was glued together in space?

And if you (and perhaps others) have the same medal, and you also believe yours to be flown, they glued together multiples of these medals?

(I am not calling into question the medal, just hoping that someone perhaps knows more about this previously unknown [at least to me] ASTP commemorative.)

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posted 10-03-2009 01:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for space-coins   Click Here to Email space-coins     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I also wondered about the "glued together in space" part. I can't imagine that either... They might have 'connected' the parts in space (holding them togther) but maybe they glued them together after landing.

Robert, do you have an actual picture of the medal you own?

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posted 10-03-2009 01:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The medal pictured above (both front and back of both halves) next to the archive photo of Leonov is the medal from my collection.

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posted 10-04-2009 07:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for randyc   Click Here to Email randyc     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A question for the members of collectSPACE: Was the Apollo 16 insurance cover, Lot #346, signed before the launch or after? I ask this question because the cover was signed by the astronauts using three different pens. All of the Apollo 16 insurance covers that I've seen that were signed before the launch were signed by the crew using the same pen (usually a blue felt tip type pen).

I'm not saying that this isn't an insurance cover, but I do know that some insurance covers for other missions were signed after the crew returned, or the signatures were obtained by collectors who purchased unsigned covers. Because I want an Apollo 16 cover that was definitely signed before the launch I'm not sure whether to bid on this lot.

Please let me know what your opinion is.

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posted 10-07-2009 12:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for spaceflori   Click Here to Email spaceflori     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Anybody else having trouble accessing the live module of Regency-Superior?

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posted 10-07-2009 12:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DCCollector   Click Here to Email DCCollector     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Doesn't appear to be loading for me either...

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posted 10-07-2009 12:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for space1   Click Here to Email space1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That's affirmative.

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posted 10-07-2009 12:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for spaceflori   Click Here to Email spaceflori     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
According to a friend they are having trouble... right now it seems that they are resetting the servers as the site doesn't even connect anymore.

Before I got a blank screen at least...

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posted 10-07-2009 12:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for johnraiders   Click Here to Email johnraiders     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Now it takes me to a house auction!

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Anyone know what lot number they're on?

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posted 10-07-2009 12:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for spaceflori   Click Here to Email spaceflori     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I assume (hope) they haven't started the auction yet which would be very unfair to consignors and internet bidders.


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