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SRB
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posted 03-05-2005 05:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SRB   Click Here to Email SRB     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Although it is not yet listed as an upcoming event, I was pleasantly surprised to recieve today a copy of the catalogue for the April 9th Superior Space Memorabilia sale. There seems to be over 300 lots of space related material. With Superior, Swann and Aurora all in April, it will be a test of how deep the market is for space material. I am looking forward to the exciting results of the three "head to head" sales.

Steve

[This message has been edited by SRB (edited March 05, 2005).]

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posted 03-08-2005 07:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for spaced out   Click Here to Email spaced out     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I see the catalog is online now...

Any thoughts on whether the Irwin PPK is surface flown or orbit only? http://www.regencystamps.com/code/public.php?lot=1734

Any comments on this Armstrong ISP? (the writing is all over the flag): http://www.regencystamps.com/code/public.php?lot=1694

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posted 03-08-2005 01:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for gliderpilotuk   Click Here to Email gliderpilotuk     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lot 1911 is a Shepard secretarial. Not sure about the other items in the same lot

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posted 03-09-2005 06:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Philip   Click Here to Email Philip     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Will they be sending out catalogs to 'former buyers' or do we have to order those ?

spaceflori
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posted 03-09-2005 10:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for spaceflori   Click Here to Email spaceflori     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Philip,

I got mine today in the mail as a former buyer, so you may just wait a couple days.

Very professional looking catalog except some descriptions are funny to say at least...see other thread.

Florian

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posted 03-09-2005 08:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SRB   Click Here to Email SRB     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The PPK in the auction apparently is the one listed in the A-15 LM stowage list and was presumably flown to the surface. (Two others are listed in the CM stowage list.) However, the stowage list only shows one PPK in the LM and you would think there should be at least two. Moreover, I recall Irwin reporting that when they closed out the LM in a hurry, they left behind their PPKs. Lastly, the size of the PPK in the auction is very small, 3" x 1 1/2". So, what was in this one? It is too small for any of the stamped covers they carried or any unfolded flags or patches. Nevertheless the documentation is quite good even if all the pieces don't fit neatly together.

Steve

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posted 03-10-2005 02:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for spaced out   Click Here to Email spaced out     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That size you mention is of the label. The bag is 6"x9".

Matt T
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posted 03-10-2005 03:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Matt T   Click Here to Email Matt T     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've occasionally wondered about the Apollo 15 PPKs. As mentioned above, Irwin states in his book that he and Scott lost their lunar surface PPKs when they jettisoned them in the LM. The contents included not only their own items but "some of Al's things too" as Irwin wrote.

None of the Apollo astronauts owes us any explanations, and if an astronaut says it's flown I'll take their word over anyone else's; nonetheless I would be curious to know where the Apollo 15 lunar surface items that have sold at auction came from.

There are obvious and feasible explanations. Clearly Scott had the odd item in his pockets ( ), maybe Irwin did too. Was there such a thing as a lunar surface OFK? If so it seems feasible that NASA could have shared some of their own flags, patches, etc with the crew. I'd just be curious to know what actually happened.

Of course I never considered that Irwin was mistaken, but if this IS the lunar surface PPK bag up for auction then you have to wonder. As Steve said, the pieces don't fit together.

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Matt

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posted 03-10-2005 03:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for spaceflori   Click Here to Email spaceflori     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Don't want to add oil to the fire....but wasn't there a lunar surface patch in a Superior auction that came from Mary Irwin which realized a couple thousand and a similar one in Christies that sold at 385,000....hmm

Lot 982 Spring 1999 sale
Lot 171 1999 Christies auction

Both are described to come from the PLSS and they are not the same one...from what I know only one NASA patch was attached to the PLSS....so if my logic is correct - someone please correct me here - one of the patches sold is not authentic.

Surprisingly both patches come with a certification from Mary Irwin.
Another third NASA patch was sold one year later in Christies for 450.000 I believe.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Doesn't add a lot of credibility to items coming from Mary Irwin.....but that's my opinion.

Again if someone has other information, please enlighten me.

Florian

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posted 03-10-2005 05:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for spaced out   Click Here to Email spaced out     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There was certainly a lunar surface OFK, with flag of all states and UN nations etc.

Getting back to the PPKs, where were the 300 surface-flown Sieger covers then? Surely not in the OFK, which means at least one surface PPK must have made it back.

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posted 03-10-2005 05:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Matt T   Click Here to Email Matt T     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"...tucked safely away in Scott's spacesuit pocket..."

From this article in the collectSPACE resources section.
http://www.collectspace.com/resources/profiles/profiles_a15sieger.html


Hence my smiley about Scott's pockets above.

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posted 03-10-2005 07:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for spaced out   Click Here to Email spaced out     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You're right of course. I'd forgotten that the covers were in a suit pocket too.

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