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Topic: Soyuz MS-10 launch anomaly [discussion]
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oly
Member Posts: 905
From: Perth, Western Australia
Registered: Apr 2015
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posted 11-02-2018 09:23 PM
   
Watching the onboard external launch camera details in slow motion shows that the main spacecraft experiences some dramatic pitch angle changes and the horizon moves about dramatically in the frames. The crew were lucky to survive this event and must have experienced some huge load forces. It would be interesting to know just what the rate of change and G limits were during this event. |
Henry Heatherbank
Member Posts: 244
From: Adelaide, South Australia
Registered: Apr 2005
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posted 12-03-2018 08:07 PM
I see that the announcemebt about Hague/Ovchinin being named to Soyuz MS-12 confirms that the MS-10 abort reached sufficient altitude to qualify as a spaceflight. So, is that now the record holder for shortest duration spaceflight? Hague and Ovchinin achieved enough altitude on their aborted climb to orbit to qualify for previous spaceflight status, making this Hague's second spaceflight and Ovchinin’s third. |
Robert Pearlman
Editor Posts: 42988
From: Houston, TX
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 12-03-2018 08:22 PM
The Soyuz MS-10 crew was in flight for more than 19 minutes (per Roscosmos). Alan Shepard's and Gus Grissom's suborbital Mercury missions were about four minutes shorter in duration. |
Hart Sastrowardoyo
Member Posts: 3445
From: Toms River, NJ
Registered: Aug 2000
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posted 12-06-2018 05:52 PM
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Originally posted by Henry Heatherbank:
I see that the announcemebt about Hague/Ovchinin being named to Soyuz MS-12 confirms that the MS-10 abort reached sufficient altitude to qualify as a spaceflight.
So Hague gets a gold astronaut pin but not a Maxa 26 patch? Is there a Russian spaceflight medal or a new NASA one considering the space shuttle no longer flies (and was the central element design on that medal?) |
Robert Pearlman
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From: Houston, TX
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 12-11-2018 08:18 PM
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Originally posted by Henry Heatherbank:
...the MS-10 abort reached sufficient altitude to qualify as a spaceflight.
It may have been less about altitude as it was status. From the Washington Post: Initially, NASA said in a statement to The Post that he is still considered to have made it to space because "he scraped the edge of [62 miles], which is the theoretical boundary of space."But then it backtracked, saying that Hague and Russian cosmonaut Alexey Ovchinin actually reached an altitude just short of the Karman line at approximately 93 km, or about 58 miles. It added that it considers him to be "a flown astronaut because he launched and landed in a spacecraft; he was fully trained and prepared for the launch and mission to the International Space Station." |
David C
Member Posts: 1015
From: Lausanne
Registered: Apr 2012
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posted 12-12-2018 03:55 PM
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Originally posted by Henry Heatherbank:
So, is that now the record holder for shortest duration spaceflight?
Possibly, but I'd guess that the distinction of shortest would belong to the X-15 or maybe SpaceShipOne. |
Hart Sastrowardoyo
Member Posts: 3445
From: Toms River, NJ
Registered: Aug 2000
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posted 12-12-2018 09:12 PM
It added that it considers him to be "a flown astronaut because he launched and landed in a spacecraft; he was fully trained and prepared for the launch and mission to the International Space Station." So would this retconning would also work for Mike Smith, Christa McAuliffe, and Greg Jarvis even though they didn't land?Anyway, Hague is an Air Force colonel. If he exceeded 50 miles, award him USAF astronaut wings... |
Skylon
Member Posts: 274
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Registered: Sep 2010
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posted 12-13-2018 07:19 AM
This does seem like an oddly worded statement, but it still states that the flight crossed the 50-mile boundary that NASA and the USAF use to define "space."Challenger broke up well short of the 50-mile boundary (about 9 miles based on Wikipedia). So, no they still would not qualify. This always takes me back to Mike Mullane's comment in "Riding Rockets" that such definitions struck him as somewhat arbitrary in hindsight (in spite of his prayer that nothing go wrong below 50 miles) and that rookies he believed earned their gold pin the moment the SRB hold-down bolts were blown. |
Robert Pearlman
Editor Posts: 42988
From: Houston, TX
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 12-13-2018 06:32 PM
NASA does not use the 50 mile threshold. The agency honored its X-15 astronauts in 2005, but that was a one-time exception, not a new rule. NASA goes by the FAI rule of 62 miles (100 kilometers), as evident by it citing Hague and Ovchinin "scraping 100 kilometers," but then backtracking when they acknowledged it was really 93 kilometers. |
Skylon
Member Posts: 274
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Registered: Sep 2010
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posted 12-14-2018 07:30 AM
So, it sounds like NASA is trying to be nice from a PR point of view and also by emphasizing his training using the same criteria to define ANY Astronaut (you are considered one at the conclusion of ASCAN training). Just that he has flown a spacecraft, but through circumstances didn't reach space. However, the USAF should award Hague his Military Astronaut Wings, putting him in the same class as Joe Engle before STS-2. His wings may have the Astronaut Device, but he doesn't get the shiny gold lapel pin. |
Jacques van Oene
Member Posts: 861
From: Houten, The Netherlands
Registered: Oct 2001
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posted 12-03-2019 04:02 AM
Capsule is now in front of the Roscosmos headquarters. |
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