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Robert Pearlman
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NASA History Division:
In anticipation of the 35th anniversary of the Apollo-Soyuz Test Project this summer, we have significantly augmented our website devoted to this topic.

Special thanks to Liz Suckow and Colin Fries for assembling and posting online a number of new historical documents and videos for this site.

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Space.com/collectSPACE:
Apollo-Soyuz Test Project crew reunites for 35th anniversary

The four surviving American astronauts and Soviet-era cosmonauts who flew the first international space mission, the July 1975 Apollo-Soyuz Test Project (ASTP), reunited on Thursday to celebrate the flight's 35th anniversary and introduce a commemorative edition of the watch they wore in space.

Thomas Stafford and Vance Brand, who with the late Donald "Deke" Slayton formed the American ASTP crew, met with their Russian counterparts, Alexei Leonov and Valery Kubasov at the Omega Watches Boutique in New York City...

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Roscosmos TV video release (Russian)

Also, RIA Novosti: Celebrating 35th anniversary of Apollo-Soyuz Test Project

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Does anyone know when the Russians got that Apollo in the Energia Museum!

Is it an engineering mock-up used during ASTP training, a recent replica or the real thing?

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Will the four be doing any other events in and around New York over the next few days to celebrate the anniversary?

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posted 07-16-2010 05:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mikej   Click Here to Email mikej     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by dom:
Is it an engineering mock-up used during ASTP training, a recent replica or the real thing?
According to the Field Guide, it may be CM-098, an unflown Block I CM (although he admits that it may be a model).

Clearly, the CM in the video lacks a Block I umbilical and has a Block II umbilical, but it could have potentially been altered to have a more Block II appearance.

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Originally posted by mikej:
Clearly, the CM in the video lacks a Block I umbilical and has a Block II umbilical, but it could have potentially been altered to have a more Block II appearance.
It would have required extensive modification if it was a Block 1 since those craft had no docking tunnels anyway. There was an inner tunnel, but the top was sealed off and had a cone tip on it that was jettisoned during parachute deployment.

Looking at the footage, there are too many Block 2 features on that display model for me to think it is a modified Block 1. If so, everything looks Block 2 from the service module going back to the SPS engine mount. Somebody really would have had to go to a lot of trouble to convert it since the Block 1 and 2 craft were VERY different from one another. Of course, perhaps the CM part is just a Block 1 CSM while the service module is a model/mockup.

More then likely it is a very high fidelity mockup/model built for the display. I've seen a similar one on display at the Cosmosphere. The docking adapter itself might also be a model, but the Soyuz part of the docking unit might be one of the engineering and testing hardware pieces. It is a very nice looking display piece.

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quote:
Originally posted by dom:
Is it an engineering mock-up used during ASTP training, a recent replica or the real thing?

It is Block II CM 2TV-1 (098) and SM 2TV-2 originally utilized for Pyro / Thermal vacuum shock testing...

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So it was essentially a pre-production Block 2 craft (built as a test article) as opposed to a Block 1 or a boilerplate? That would explain the number sequence as NASA and Rockwell did the same thing with the STA orbiter airframe (STA-99) which became OV-99, aka Challenger.

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Originally posted by Jay Chladek:
So it was essentially a pre-production Block 2 craft (built as a test article) as opposed to a Block 1 or a boilerplate?
Per SP-4205 Chariots for Apollo, 2TV-1 was identical to Apollo 7's CSM-101 "except for some flight-qualified equipment."

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The obvious question now is just when was it given to the Russians? Surely there would have been some problems giving them an Apollo during the 1970s...

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The Soyuz for the Smithsonian's corresponding exhibit arrived from the Soviet Union in 1976, a few months before the National Air and Space Museum opened. Originally, it was on loan. (CM-105 and the back-up docking adapter complete the DC exhibit.)

It wouldn't be unreasonable to think the U.S. provided the Apollo CSM during the same time period.


National Air and Space Museum Credit: Eric Long/NASM


Energia Museum Credit: Seiji Yoshimoto/npointercos.jp

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Originally posted by AstroAutos:
Will the four be doing any other events in and around New York over the next few days to celebrate the anniversary?
I have not heard of additional events in New York (or the U.S. in general). All four crew members will be at the Memorial Museum of Cosmonautics in Moscow (Russia) on July 19.

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There was a "by invitation only" event held at the Omega flagship store last Thursday evening. From what I was told by someone very close to the event, the Russians had control over most of the invitation power, therefore, it was never officially announced. The only place where it was referenced was at air-space.com.

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The crew members visited RSC Energia today. Photos of their visit have been published here.

Additional photographs can be found on Roscosmos' website.

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Originally posted by dom:
The obvious question now is just when was it given to the Russians? Surely there would have been some problems giving them an Apollo during the 1970s...
Wasn't a Soyuz-Apollo full-size model already shown in the Cosmos Pavillion in Moscow before it closed around 1990? I have seen it personally in 1993 (after the closure of the pavillion, we just entered the building while reconstructions were underway). Probably, the model was taken back by Energia.

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I've just notice that ASTP took place around the time of the six anniversary of Apollo 11.

Was this deliberately planned or just a coincidence!

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I was going through some old books at Marshall Space Flight Center and getting ready to throw out a bunch of old stuff pertaining to the External Tank program when, I fished out of the dumpster a book about the Apollo-Soyuz mission (I had just been reading these postings on the 35th anniversary).

I opened the book and an autographed vintage litho of the mission fell out on the ground! Needless to say I was speechless.

I think because of collectSPACE I took a second look at that book and found a treasure...

  1. Apollo-Soyuz mission 1975 (1.2 billion)

  2. The food Deke shared with Alexei ($102.00)

  3. An autographed vintage Apollo-Soyuz Litho found in the trash (Priceless)

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Sweet! Congratulations.

Steve, I just re-read this thread and saw your incredible sculpture. Outstanding job!

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President Obama recognized today's anniversary of the 1975 launch of the Apollo-Soyuz Test Project during a call to the International Space Station.
President Obama: I also understand that today marks an anniversary of sorts for us and our Russian colleagues. Thirty six years ago, we launched a U.S. Apollo spacecraft and a Soviet Union Soyuz capsule towards a rendezvous in space.

It is pretty exciting to know that American astronauts and Russian cosmonauts are not just shaking hands 36 years later but are working every day with partners from other nations to represent humankind coming together in space.

Cosmonaut Sergei Volkov: Yes Mr. President, our crew's really international right now. Here are representatives of three agencies, NASA, Roscosmos and JAXA.

We are working as one family actually. Not as a crew — we are more than just part of or representatives of each country — we are one big family.

Now those [STS-135] guys who appeared almost a week ago share with us our brilliant International Space Station.

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From International Space Station (ISS) Ground Control Officer (GC) Bill Foster (via Facebook), Gen. Stafford visited the ISS Flight Control Room today (July 17, 2012) at the Mission Control Center at Johnson Space Center in Houston.

The same control room was active 37 years ago today for the Apollo-Soyuz Test Project.

I had the privilege of bringing Apollo 10 and Apollo-Soyuz astronaut Gen. Tom Stafford into the ISS control room today. He was on a VIP tour led by my good friend David Cisco (left) from Space Center Houston Level 9 Tours. Controllers on duty were thrilled to meet such an historic figure from the US human Spaceflight program, as was I! — Bill Foster

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37 years ago! Was there anyone else from cS able to witness the "live" launch of Apollo from KSC or the Soyuz from Baykonur?

Apollo-Soyuz was one of the most memorable launch coverages of my "liftoff-viewing career," so-to-speak.

Not just the launch, but the entire mission from start to finish was filled with history-making news, local events and functions that reminded me, in some ways, of the earlier majestic Apollo era that had captivated the entire Florida Space Coast and the whole world!

For me, personally, ASTP would be a launching pad of sorts in developing and operating a space-related hobby and occupation that even continues on to this day.

With that first "live" launch viewing of mine — as a young boy — of a Delta rocket and the first manned Apollo liftoff in 1968... the passion, excitement, and thrill remains just as it was so many decades afterwards.

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cS member Geoffrey Bowman put together a marvellous account of the time he attended the Apollo launch for the ASTP mission in the Outward Odyssey book, "Footprints in the Dust." His chapter for that book was an expansion of the diary account he kept back in 1975 and makes for fascinating, on-the-spot reading.

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Thanks, Colin, for the recommendation as I would love to see a copy of Bowman's chapter of his ASTP experiences while covering the last Apollo/Saturn launch. Is there a source or place to get it online?

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37 years ago! Was there anyone else from cS able to witness the "live" launch of Apollo from KSC or the Soyuz from Baykonur?
I was there. 17 years old... drove down from Illinois.

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Is there a source or place to get it online?
Ken, I believe it's only in book form at this time, but if you contact Geoffrey directly (cS member Blackarrow) he might send you an edited copy of that particular chapter.

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First, for Colin, thanks again and I'll be contacting Geoffrey soon. Was he with the press reporting on the joint mission?

J.L., I had forgotten that you were "here" viewing the launch as well. Great pic of SA-210 on the pad and was ASTP your first "live" manned shot? Did you cover any of the earlier Apollos?

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No, Geoffrey was just a young enthusiast who desperately wanted to witness the launch of the last Apollo mission and paid his own way over to Florida. It's a really great story.

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Ken, I'd definitely recommend buying the book. Not only is it a great story, but the rest of the book is a great read too, and the proceeds go to charity, so it's a better thing to do than get a "free" chapter via email I think.

Novaspace have copies for sale signed by Colin.

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Was there anyone else from cS able to witness the "live" launch of Apollo from KSC or the Soyuz from Baykonur?
I too was at the last Apollo launch on July 15, 1975. My family and I made the trip from New York and watched it from the bank of the Indian River in Titusville.

It was the second Apollo I got to witness, having seen Apollo 15 just 4 years earlier.

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What a great time to honor Gen. Stafford, Deke Slayton, Vance Brand, Leonov and Kubasov on an amazing mission. I always re-read Deke! and NASA SP The Partnership around this time of year. So nice to see Gen. Stafford in that picture.

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Cosmonaut Oleg Artemyev, together with his Russian Expedition 40 crewmates Max Suraev and Alexander Skvortsov, paid tribute today to the 39th anniversary of the Apollo-Soyuz Test Project from onboard the International Space Station.

On his blog, Artemyev explained that the rendering of the ASTP project logo (which appears to be signed by Alexei Leonov and the late Valery Kubasov) was something he brought to space with his personal items.

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