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Robert Pearlman
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posted 03-01-2004 09:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
RE: Funds sought to restore Saturn V rocket

I highly encourage everyone reading to give as they can to funding the complete restoration of the Saturn V in Houston, Texas. As the only all-flight component vehicle surviving (as opposed to mock-ups or test equipment) the ability to appreciate this rocket by future generations will be invaluable.

Conservation Solutions, Inc., which has been contracted by The Smithsonian for the restoration and conservation of the Saturn V is dedicated to not only preserving as much of the original vehicle as possible, but also using this project as an opportunity to educate the public about the rocket, its construction and history (watch for more about that effort on collectSPACE).

If I can be so bold to suggest stop what you are doing right now, take out your check book and make a donation now to the "National Air and Space Museum Saturn V" for as much as you feel you can give.

Send your donation to:

National Air and Space Museum
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P.O. Box 23197
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The space history community can make a real difference but time is of the essence. Every day wasted is a day closer to losing this vehicle to its surroundings. Act now and save this Saturn V.

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posted 03-01-2004 10:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for aneedell   Click Here to Email aneedell     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As project leader of the NASA-JSC Saturn V preservation effort, I will try to answer as best I can questions posted here about the effort. I appreciate Robert's support and his efforts on behalf of the Saturn V.

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posted 03-01-2004 10:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for NC Apollo Fan   Click Here to Email NC Apollo Fan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you for the article, Robert - I'll be making a donation this evening when I get home.

Jonathan

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posted 03-01-2004 10:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Richard   Click Here to Email Richard     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What is the Saturn V in Huntsville composed of?

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posted 03-01-2004 11:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sts205cdr   Click Here to Email sts205cdr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We were told by Irene, the new curator at USSRC, that THEIR Saturn V is the only complete flight-ready vehicle.

--John

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posted 03-01-2004 11:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for aneedell   Click Here to Email aneedell     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Have a look at Jim Gerard's compilation.

I think that the information on the individual vehicles is largely accurate. The rocketry curator may have additional information when he returns from travel next week.

The Huntsville's Saturn V is a "Dynamic Test Vehicle" designed and used for ground testing. It is an important historic artifact in its own right, being the only unit whose stages are not mixed and matched.

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posted 03-01-2004 12:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sts205cdr   Click Here to Email sts205cdr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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It is an important historic artifact in its own right, being the only unit whose stages are not mixed and matched.
That must be what she meant. Thanks!

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AlanLawrie
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posted 03-01-2004 02:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AlanLawrie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sadly the Field Guide is not so accurate. There are several errors. Examples of these are:

The first stage at Michoud is S-IC-15 not -14. The second stage at the I-65 welcome centre is not S-IVB-201 (that's at the Space and Rocket Centre). It's a boilerplate and its mounted upside down.

Not to mention the two Saturn IB first stages which were without doubt built completely (S-IB-13 and -14) and which you never see any record of on any web site...

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posted 03-01-2004 03:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Matt T   Click Here to Email Matt T     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Alan,

I take it from your post that there are two Saturn I stages unaccounted for?

I was told by a fellow Brit collector that a Saturn first-stage was offered during the 70s through the usual NASA scrap disposal channels.

Also as I mentioned elsewhere recently, Charles Bell the famous hardware collector was reputed to have a Saturn stage in his collection (maybe the same one?).

Check the second photo. Is that a Saturn?

Cheers,
Matt

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posted 03-01-2004 03:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for eurospace   Click Here to Email eurospace     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Are there any electronic payment options (paypal, credit cards) for those residing outside the US?

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Robert Pearlman
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posted 03-01-2004 03:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by eurospace:
Are there any electronic payment options (paypal, credit cards) for those residing outside the US?

At this time, payments are only being accepted through the physical address listed above. Online payment options have been discussed and may be possible, though it may be quite a while before they are available.

In the interest of facilitating quicker donations, and only on an individual case-by-case basis, I will volunteer use of my PayPal account for monies to be transferred for which I would write a check directly to the Fund. (This would negate the person's ability to take a tax deduction, but as we are talking about international pledges, that shouldn't be a major factor.) Contact me via e-mail if this is of interest.

AlanLawrie
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posted 03-01-2004 03:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AlanLawrie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Matt,

Yes, S-IB-12 has always been regarded as lost sometime in the 70s, but the following two stages are always reported (on the web pages that list these things) as never built. However I have documentary and photographic proof that they were built and put into storage at MAF.

Alan.

AlanLawrie
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posted 03-01-2004 03:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AlanLawrie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Re my earlier post I meant to type S-IVB-211 not 201.

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posted 03-01-2004 03:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for aneedell   Click Here to Email aneedell     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by AlanLawrie:
Sadly the Field Guide is not so accurate. There are several errors. Examples of these are...
Apologies. I only meant to say that the listing of stages for the three Saturn V's seemed accurate, not to comment on the accuracy of the entire list. Again, the rocketry curator is on travel this week.

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AlanLawrie
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posted 03-01-2004 04:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AlanLawrie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Allan,

Just out of interest who is the rocketry curator? Also can you elaborate as to what records the Smithsonian holds on Saturn rockets.

Many thanks,
Alan.

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Just out of interest who is the rocketry curator?
The rocketry curator at NASM name is Frank Winter. I am curator of the Apollo collection.

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posted 03-01-2004 06:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for eurospace   Click Here to Email eurospace     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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At this time, payments are only being accepted through the physical address listed above.
The Smithsonian's depriving itself from a whole lot of valuable Euros without an electronic payment option.

Jürgen

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Robert Pearlman
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posted 03-01-2004 07:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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The Smithsonian's depriving itself from a whole lot of valuable Euro's without an electronic payment option.
It may be possible for an independent 501(c)3 to create such a system to collect donations for the fund until such time that the Smithsonian can implement their own solution. More on that soon...

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It's time for Mr. Gates and Co. to make a little donation here. This Saturn V is worth to be taken care of. It was the best first stage engine ever developed. This German scientist wonder Wernher von Braun was a genius. I believe his first stage combined 5 rocket engine provided more power than the soviet union moon rocket N1 first stage which were a cluster of approx. 25+ engines. I think the first two men on the moon should have been Armstrong and a German Astronaut for this reason.

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posted 03-01-2004 07:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ColinBurgess   Click Here to Email ColinBurgess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I also think someone should contact Mr. Tom Hanks with all the details and see if he would contribute.

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After Robert Pearlman brought to my attention the question of the Saturn stage designations on the Field Guide site, I have updated them to now reflect the currently understood status of these artifacts. When the site was being put together, there was some guesswork being done in determining stage designations, based in information on what was built and unused and where known stages resided. But these were not always correct (it was determined after inspection of the SV at KSC that some 'known' designations were false). I have had little opportunity for in field research (looking for id numbers on hardware) and obtained most of my information from books, magazine articles and the internet. I do admit that I allowed the Field Guide to grow a little stale. I'm working now to ensure updating with spacecraft the top priority and plan on including sections that include spacesuits and museum collections. As this is being done as a hobby, I'm always grateful to any individuals that pass along data that helps to keep the site as up to date as possible.

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Hi. I initially saw this news in the early a.m. at space.com. They can definitely count me in for a cash donation. I remember Apollo 11; I turned 4 (four -- yes, that young) in May 1969. I also remember Apollo 13 and subsequent missions.

I'm not into machines that much, but I sure do love the Saturn V.

Have been spreading the word to other forums I participate in.

--Cindy

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posted 03-04-2004 06:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aztecdoug   Click Here to Email Aztecdoug     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey, if you need someplace warm and dry to put that ol' Saturn V we have a couple of big hangers right here in Tustin, CA. I think one is slated to be demo'd but the other one is supposed to be saved. I had heard at one time they were going to use it as a museum too.

These are big, 300 feet wide and 1,000 feet long. (They were seen in the Pearl Harbor movie when the Doolittle Raiders first got together.) I think they also used one for a sound stage to film, "From the Earth to the Moon." So, they do have some Space History too!

I know that Houston weather can be tough on a rocket, so I just want to let you know, we got room here in SoCal, home of the Saturn V 2nd stage, 3rd stage, Apollo CSM and all those dang engines that lifted her off the pad to begin with!

(End of cheap plug to return space hardware to Southern California!)

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posted 04-05-2004 05:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pokey   Click Here to Email pokey     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Today's press release on JSC's Saturn V.

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posted 04-30-2004 06:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hawkman   Click Here to Email Hawkman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Does anyone know how much the Smithsonian has raised at it's locations for the restoration of the Saturn V? I would be curious to know if their was anyone besides this group here who gives a rat's rear end about it. I would hate like hell to see the Saturn V go the way of the LUT.

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Just to be clear on this, exactly what is the KSC Saturn 5 made up from? How many stages are "genuine" and what Apollo flights (if any) were they meant for? I was at KSC in July 1975 for the ASTP launch and at that time there was a Saturn 5 S-1C first stage sitting outside the launch control centre. I assume that's the S-1C now on display in the KSC Saturn 5 Centre, but what flight should it have been on? (Digressing slightly, I believe the S-IVB which was converted into the Skylab workshop was meant to boost Apollo 20 to the Moon. When Skylab burned up over Australia in 1979, I couldn't help thinking that it had hit the wrong planet!)

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The Saturn first stage at KSC is the S-IC-T which was a test stage last fired at 1923 CDT on 3 August 1967. The S-IVB stage used for Skylab was a 200 series rather than the 500 series used as the third stage for the Saturn V.

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It may interest folks here to know that when I received my 'thank you' letter from the Smithsonian for my donation, it mentioned that they had managed to raise enough to at least arrest the deterioration on the Saturn V. Cool.

More is still needed to do a full restoration.

My next paycheck will see another check headed their way.

Gene

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I am heading up a group of people in Texas who will be forming a 501(c)(3) within the next few weeks to raise the remaining money required to complete the JSC Saturn V restoration. We've been in close contact with NASM and JSC management for a couple of months now and are very hopeful that we will succeed in raising the needed funds in the required time (which is quite short).

One of our early goals is to set up the web infrastructure necessary to receive donations online. We hope to have the legal and technical issues to accomplish this resolved within the next couple of weeks. PLEASE be patient and hold on to your PayPal dollars, euros, etc. for the time coming soon when you can be assured your donations will be channeled directly to the NASM effort as efficiently and quickly as possible!

Thanks for your enthusiasm and we're hoping the space history community will be supportive of our effort to get the word out as quikly as possible.

Greg Burch

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posted 05-22-2004 09:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That's great news, Greg. You are more than welcome to promote your organization's efforts and initiatives, fundraisers and (if applicable) events here on collectSPACE.

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posted 06-10-2004 05:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Donations to Save the Saturn, Inc., a Texas not-for-profit corporation with a pending application for 501(c)(3) tax-exempt status, can now be made online here:

http://www.saturnrestoration.org/

All funds donated via this website will be forwarded directly to the Smithsonian National Air and Space Museum (which is unable to accept online donations). SSVI will ensure that all donors receive maximum tax deduction credit, either directly from the Smithsonian Air & Space Museum or from SSVI.

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We were told by Irene, the new curator at USSRC, that THEIR Saturn V is the only complete flight-ready vehicle.
That's news to me!! I never told anyone it was flight ready. USSRC knew all along it is/was a test vehicle. There were 2 curators prior to my taking the position 3 years ago --I can't speak for them --

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