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Topic: 370527738801: STS-61E Mission Patch
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Kevin T. Randall
Member Posts: 1082
From: Chesham, Bucks UK
Registered: Dec 2008
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posted 07-17-2011 06:13 PM
   
What looks like to me is an original STS-61E cancelled mission patch has just been listed on eBay in a lot of five AB Emblem Shuttle mission patches.The seller will only ship within the U.S. mainland.  The last time this patch came up for auction was on 19th February 2011 at the Lunar Legacies sale, lot No.456, when it fetched $750.00 + commission. |
mama04
Member Posts: 151
From: Haarlem, N-H, Netherlands
Registered: Sep 2010
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posted 07-18-2011 03:27 AM
I spotted that one as well Kevin. Looks like the real deal to me. Now, if only we can get him to open up his auction to overseas buyers as well! |
Kevin T. Randall
Member Posts: 1082
From: Chesham, Bucks UK
Registered: Dec 2008
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posted 07-18-2011 05:53 AM
Maarten, I had sent the seller an eBay message straight away before any bids were placed telling him what he could be selling. I also asked him to post an image of the back of that patch, and requesting he allow International bids on this lot.
But I've not had a reply as yet.So far there has been 6 bids from 5 bidders. The highest bidder has bid $79.85 (£49.54). I can now confirm this patch is the real deal because the boys from this forum have now placed their opening bids. Good luck. |
JFS61
Member Posts: 101
From: Bryan, Texas USA
Registered: Jun 2005
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posted 07-18-2011 07:36 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Kevin T. Randall:
The last time this patch came up for auction was on 19th February 2011 at the Lunar Legacies sale, lot No.456, when it fetched $750.00 + commission.
That seems like an incredibly steep price, especially if AB had indeed produced 200 of them as per this thread. |
hoorenz
Member Posts: 1031
From: The Netherlands
Registered: Jan 2003
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posted 07-18-2011 10:45 AM
Last time I remember I saw it on eBay (From the late Randy Wagner's collection, I believe) it went over 1000. I have seen it for sale the past 15 years only 4 times. I bought patches from eBay seller Jaxel42 overseas before, despite his statement that he only ships to US addresses, so it might not be a problem. I would not be surprised if it goes way over 1000 this time. |
Besixdouze
Member Posts: 235
From: Hebden Bridge, West Yorkshire, United Kingdom
Registered: Jan 2011
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posted 07-18-2011 11:15 AM
Anybody asked to see a shot of the back of this patch yet? |
Kevin T. Randall
Member Posts: 1082
From: Chesham, Bucks UK
Registered: Dec 2008
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posted 07-18-2011 11:51 AM
Yes, I have Mike, but I've not had a reply yet.
(See my second post on this thread above).Bidding now stands at $202.50 (£125.64) with 10 bids from 6 bidders. I have now successfully placed my first bid, lets see if it remains or if it is cancelled. |
fredtrav
Member Posts: 1673
From: Birmingham AL
Registered: Aug 2010
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posted 07-18-2011 02:25 PM
If you have trouble, let me know. I have been bidding on it, but it is about to move out of my price range. If he wont ship it overseas, have him send it to me and I will forward it to you.(assuming you win it). If that wont work, tell me your highest bid and I will place it for you and then send them on if you win. |
Kevin T. Randall
Member Posts: 1082
From: Chesham, Bucks UK
Registered: Dec 2008
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posted 07-18-2011 03:19 PM
I have sent you an e-mail Fred.
Many thanks for your reply.It has now reached $326.00 (£202.26) with 13 bids from 7 bidders. |
Joel Katzowitz
Member Posts: 808
From: Marietta GA USA
Registered: Dec 1999
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posted 07-19-2011 01:34 PM
I'm not much of a patch collector so sorry if this is a dumb question. I have a STS-61E patch in my collection, how can I tell if it's an original version? There seem to be minor variations between the patch listed on ebay and mine.Any input will be appreciated, thanks. |
george9785
Member Posts: 196
From: Burnaby, BC, Canada
Registered: Nov 2010
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posted 07-19-2011 02:11 PM
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Originally posted by Joel Katzowitz:
... how can I tell if it's an original version?
See this older thread. |
Joel Katzowitz
Member Posts: 808
From: Marietta GA USA
Registered: Dec 1999
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posted 07-19-2011 02:55 PM
Thanks for pointing me to the older thread. I own the left hand example of the two souvenir patches shown on Jacques' website. I'm guessing it ain't worth a thousand bucks, oh well, back to playing the lottery. |
Greggy_D
Member Posts: 977
From: Michigan
Registered: Jul 2006
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posted 07-19-2011 04:09 PM
For reference purpose, here is a pic of the patch from Dave Leestma's STS-61E Launch/Entry Coveralls. Closer look:  |
Kevin T. Randall
Member Posts: 1082
From: Chesham, Bucks UK
Registered: Dec 2008
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posted 07-20-2011 02:25 PM
I have just received a message from the seller Jaxel42.He has posted single patch images of both back and front of this STS-61E patch. (Yes it is 100% original patch, one of only 50 made at the time). He will accept bids from non U.S. bidders, but he will only accept the bids if the bidder has a U.S. address to send the patches to if they win. I have a member of this forum who will accept this lot if I win, and ship it to me in the U.K. Now at $405.00 (£250.96) with 14 bids from 7 bidders.
Now at $500.00 (£309.83) with 18 bids from 8 bidders.
Now at $520.01 (£318.79) with 20 bids from 9 bidders.
Now at $550.00 (£337.18) with 21 bids from 9 bidders.
Now at $610.00 (£373.96) with 22 bids from 10 bidders. |
Kevin T. Randall
Member Posts: 1082
From: Chesham, Bucks UK
Registered: Dec 2008
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posted 07-21-2011 11:41 PM
I have been in communication with the seller Jaxel42 to find out the history behind the patch lots he has, (and will be), listing on eBay. Another possible Very Rare Shuttle patch has been identified and will be listed after this one has ended. He is going to send me an image first so I can varify that it's an original and not the Randy Hunt copy. When I know which it is I will start another thread here on this forum.Anyway the history is that Jaxel42 bought a large box of assorted patches, NASA, Fire, Police, Auto, Beer patches and other 'Junk' patches from a Flea Market some 15 years ago. He was collecting Beer patches at the time. Anyway he removed the Beer patches and the rest where stored away until now. He had no idea that this box of old 'Junk' patches would hold these very rare Shuttle patches. (What else might we find within this box of old patches?). |
Kevin T. Randall
Member Posts: 1082
From: Chesham, Bucks UK
Registered: Dec 2008
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posted 07-23-2011 01:07 PM
The second of the very rare shuttle patches which will be listed by Jaxel42 next week is the STS-13 (STS-41C) 'Black Cat' patch. |
lunarrv15
Member Posts: 1355
From: Cincinnati, Ohio, Hamilton
Registered: Mar 2001
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posted 07-24-2011 02:38 PM
Were there any 61-E decals printed and what could be their value? |
Kevin T. Randall
Member Posts: 1082
From: Chesham, Bucks UK
Registered: Dec 2008
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posted 07-24-2011 05:29 PM
Finaly sold for $761.45 (£466.80) with 23 bids from 11 bidders. |
Greggy_D
Member Posts: 977
From: Michigan
Registered: Jul 2006
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posted 07-24-2011 05:34 PM
Consistent with the Lunar Legacies auction months ago. |
Kevin T. Randall
Member Posts: 1082
From: Chesham, Bucks UK
Registered: Dec 2008
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posted 11-27-2011 10:38 PM
The same seller Jaxel42 has listed another of these STS-61E cancelled mission patches. Lot No.370563610023.This one is not an original AB Emblem one, but it is a two piece full size patch which has all the characteristics of being an AB Emblem patch. He has started this sale at a high starting price, so he thinks it is another original or a variant of. What do the rest of you guys think? A reproduction or another real variant? |
mama04
Member Posts: 151
From: Haarlem, N-H, Netherlands
Registered: Sep 2010
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posted 11-28-2011 12:54 AM
I would say 'replica,' but a good one. The tab doesn't look good (too small) to me. |
hoorenz
Member Posts: 1031
From: The Netherlands
Registered: Jan 2003
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posted 11-28-2011 01:53 AM
I would say: definitely an AB Emblem. Especially because Jaxel42 is the seller - we have seen him sell more rare AB Emblem patches, including samples and crew evaluation versions.It is an interesting piece. I always wondered why the tab with Durrance and Parise did not match the artwork - it looked to me as if someone made a mistake, not realizing a tab like this should have a larger diameter than 4 inch to allign properly. Seeing this version on eBay, I now believe the tab was made "different" on purpose - the lack of metallic silver (also following the artwork, in which the silver showed up as gray) would indicate that the eBay version with the "correct" tab preceeded the one commonly known. So, my opinion: an early evaluation version, which was changed (possibly at the request of the crew) to one with a different looking tab and metallic silver thread. |
Kevin T. Randall
Member Posts: 1082
From: Chesham, Bucks UK
Registered: Dec 2008
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posted 11-28-2011 02:41 AM
Many thanks for your input Erik. I was thinking along the same lines as you are.
John the seller has only sold AB Emblem patches so far and some were as you said, 'samples and crew evaluation version' patches.Which leads me to believe this one could well be a rare 'sample' or 'evaluation' patch? |
hoorenz
Member Posts: 1031
From: The Netherlands
Registered: Jan 2003
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posted 11-28-2011 03:00 AM
If only he could find a one-piece STS-51E Baudry-only patch in that magical box... I would love to see a picture of it. I have only seen it as 3 inch a long time ago on eBay. |
Kevin T. Randall
Member Posts: 1082
From: Chesham, Bucks UK
Registered: Dec 2008
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posted 11-28-2011 08:25 AM
That is wishful thinking Erik, but considering what he has found in that 'magical box' and has listed so far, your wish may well be fulfilled? Time will tell. |
benguttery
Member Posts: 547
From: Fort Worth, TX, USA
Registered: Feb 2005
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posted 11-28-2011 01:03 PM
That 61E is stunning. It is what that patch should have looked like; not with that weirdly shaped tab. The quality of embroidery does not indicate a fake, but is the sign of a very finely made patch. Good luck, gentlemen. |
Kevin T. Randall
Member Posts: 1082
From: Chesham, Bucks UK
Registered: Dec 2008
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posted 12-04-2011 06:51 PM
This STS-61E patch sold for $523.00 with just 3 bids from 2 bidders. (One was myself). |
Hart Sastrowardoyo
Member Posts: 3445
From: Toms River, NJ
Registered: Aug 2000
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posted 12-04-2011 08:35 PM
quote:
Originally posted by benguttery:
That 61E is stunning. It is what that patch should have looked like; not with that weirdly shaped tab.
Similar to STS-35, were any of the PSs in doubt of making the flight, for medical or other reasons? That might account for the weirdly shaped apron, that the apron would be pulled and remade.The other speculation is that the 50 made with the weird apron were pre-production or evaluation versions, and if made into regular production, would look more like the versions used in the crew pic. |
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