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OV-105
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posted 03-30-2006 10:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for OV-105   Click Here to Email OV-105     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What flight patches do we know were made but never flown?

Let's leave off any flights where tabs were added for payload specialists like STS-61B's when they were 51I. Those can be made with tab removal.

Here is what I know of: STS-41F, STS-51E (Garn-Baudry), STS-51D (Jarvis-Walker), STS-61E (Astro-1), STS-42 (Carter), Shuttle-Mir (Lawrence), STS-88 (without Krikalev), STS-101, STS-113 (Loria-Thomas), Expedition 6 (Thomas), STS-114 (Expedition 6/7), Expedition 7 (three man).

I do not know if they were made but will also list pre-Columbia STS-116 and STS-117, as well as the six-person STS-121.

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posted 03-30-2006 10:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ben   Click Here to Email Ben     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Let's get this down, in list format, for reference. And let's keep this AB Emblem only from what we know:
  • STS-51E/STS-51D (41F is a 'tab removal' type)
  • STS-51D/STS-51G
  • STS-42
  • STS-88
  • STS-101
  • STS-113
  • STS-114
  • Exp. 6
  • Exp. 7 Moshenko
  • Exp. 7 Kaleri
There was no AB Emblem beyond 115 then (before Columbia), nor is there beyond 115 now.

And for cancelled missions: STS-61E

Is that it?

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posted 03-30-2006 11:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There were AB-produced STS-121 patches without Reiter but they were reportedly only released to the crew.

There are also unconfirmed reports of Reiter appearing on AB Exp. 11 and Exp. 12 patches.

And the current Exp. 13 patches without Reiter will technically fall into this category once replaced with the three crew member version.

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posted 03-31-2006 12:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for OV-105   Click Here to Email OV-105     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The STS-41F patch is larger and slight color change from the STS-51D.

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posted 03-31-2006 07:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hart Sastrowardoyo   Click Here to Email Hart Sastrowardoyo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ben:
There was no AB beyond 115 then (before Columbia), nor is there beyond 115 now.
Then who produced the STS-117 Polansky patch which one of the crew was wearing?

Harald Kraenzel
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posted 03-31-2006 10:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Harald Kraenzel   Click Here to Email Harald Kraenzel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I wrote AB sending them pictures of the two STS-85 patch versions and asking them whether they made an Ashby patch. Here is the answer:
Often there are crew changes and names are replaced. Since we are the official contractor for NASA, we make preliminary versions and sometimes go into production before the crew change. So yes, we made both, but only stock the official one at this time.

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posted 03-31-2006 10:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ben   Click Here to Email Ben     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Hart Sastrowardoyo:
Then who produced the STS-117 Polansky patch which one of the crew was wearing?
You're right, I forgot about that. In fact, I have seen two name versions in photos of that patch from what I recall.

I haven't seen any photos showing an STS-116 patch, but now I wonder.

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posted 03-31-2006 10:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ben   Click Here to Email Ben     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Often there are crew changes and names are replaced. Since we are the official contractor for NASA, we make preliminary versions and sometimes go into production before the crew change. So yes, we made both, but only stock the official one at this time.
It's nice of them to respond, but it doesn't sound like they know for sure.

How long before flight did Ashby step down, does anyone remember? Are there any photos showing them wearing the patch with Ashby?

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posted 03-31-2006 02:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tom   Click Here to Email Tom     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The first NASA shuttle status report to list Rominger as a replacement for Ashby was dated 3/21/97.

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posted 03-31-2006 08:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for nitro   Click Here to Email nitro     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Actually, the announcement came just a few days earlier. See here...

Ben
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posted 03-31-2006 09:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ben   Click Here to Email Ben     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Looks like July 17 was the original launch date. So whether they had their patches to look at yet is not a sure thing, but likely I would guess.

Robert Pearlman
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posted 03-31-2006 10:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I had forgotten about a related article to this topic that was published in 2002.

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posted 03-31-2006 10:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ben   Click Here to Email Ben     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I own Expedition 6 Thomas patches in their original AB Emblem package. They had stacks of them at the KSCVC even a year after the launch.

You can tell the AB version for Exp. 6 most easily as the ISS is in gold thread.

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posted 04-06-2006 09:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ben   Click Here to Email Ben     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was just watching the STS-51D crew presentation from post flight. They start off like all the rest showing their patch, and commander Bobko says, showing the art before the video begins,

"Of course here is our patch. it was the fourth try at a patch since our mission had been changed so many times."

This does not mean there are four cloth versions but does imply four patch designs were made. I have only seen three...does anyone know what the fourth might be?

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posted 04-07-2006 05:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jacques van Oene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
  • STS-41E/F
  • STS-51E (Baudry tab)
  • STS-51E (Baudry - Garn tab)
  • STS-51D (Walker Garn tab) Final version

Ben
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posted 04-07-2006 07:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ben   Click Here to Email Ben     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Jacques, are there AB versions with just Baudry? I have not seen any that I can recall.

Jacques van Oene
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posted 04-07-2006 05:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jacques van Oene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As far as I know, only the crew got the Baudry tab version, and up to this day I have never seen any up for sale... and that includes replicas. (Still wonder why no one ever came to that idea to make those...)

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posted 04-07-2006 06:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for OV-105   Click Here to Email OV-105     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have the 3-inch Baudry and the decal but have never seen the 4-inch.

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posted 06-22-2006 03:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for spaced out   Click Here to Email spaced out     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Can anyone tell me what is the relative scarcity of these unflown patches?
  • STS-42 Carter [v. rare; recent price $317]
  • STS-51D Jarvis-Walker [<100 exist? recent price $195]
  • STS-51E Baudry-Garn AB 1st gen (dark blue edging)
  • STS-51E Baudry-Garn AB 2nd gen (light blue edging)
  • STS-61E [<50 exist?]
  • STS-63 Ford
  • STS-85 Ashby
  • STS-88 no Krikalev [apparently very common]
  • STS-101 Lu etc. [apparently very common]
I've tried to put what little info I already have in brackets. Can anyone add more info?

OV-105
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posted 06-23-2006 05:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for OV-105   Click Here to Email OV-105     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
One thing to remember about STS-51E and STS-101 is that they were canceled within weeks of their launches so they had already been made in mass. I do not remember when Krikalev was added to STS-88. Anyone remember when that happened?

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posted 06-28-2006 07:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bill Hunt   Click Here to Email Bill Hunt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What is the complete and up-to-date listing of these cancelled mission patches? Is there a "latest" version of the list? Has anyone done an online guide with pictures of all the ones that are known to exist?

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When Jacques bought the STS-42 Carter recently on eBay, we noticed that two different versions exist. The one I found on eBay five years ago, was an evaluation version, using the same type of cloud pattern found earlier on the STS-32 patch, a blue Spacelab, a smaller orbiter and IML-I instead of IML-1. This evaluation version was made into a finalized design before Sonny Carter died. Only change made for the final patch (except Hilmers and the bright yellow star) is the color of the ESA logo in Merbold's name.

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posted 08-25-2009 06:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for spaceman   Click Here to Email spaceman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Does anyone know anything about this patch? It is based on STS-101 with different crew names. Was there ever such a possible crew configuration?

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posted 08-25-2009 08:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for OV-105   Click Here to Email OV-105     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That is the original STS-101 crew patch. When Zarya's launched got delayed part of the STS-101 crew was changed and the STS-106 mission was added.

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posted 08-26-2009 05:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Apollo-Soyuz   Click Here to Email Apollo-Soyuz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I believe it was Zvezda launch that was delayed and was eventually launched on July 12, 2000.

Jacques van Oene
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posted 08-26-2009 08:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jacques van Oene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by spaced out:
Can anyone tell me what is the relative scarcity of these unflown patches? STS-61E [<50 exist?]
Jon McBride told me last November that 200 STS-61E patches were made...

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posted 02-26-2010 01:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for dogcrew5369   Click Here to Email dogcrew5369     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wasn't the STS-118 Anderson patch produced by AB Emblem and then changed to Drew before the flight? Wouldn't this patch count just like other unflown crew change patches?

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posted 04-07-2010 04:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for butch wilks   Click Here to Email butch wilks     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have most of the patches on this post. They have been sent to me at the time by Stewart Aviation in the UK.

AB Emblem seems to have sent out a number of patches to outlets before NASA has okayed the patch for production for a time, but now they seem to hold back right up to just week or two before the launch.

I can confirm that Reiter is on AB Emblem Exp. 11 and Exp. 12 patches as I have them.

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posted 04-07-2010 05:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KAPTEC   Click Here to Email KAPTEC     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Butch, please, can you post a scan with the Expedition 11 patch with Reiter name on it? Thank you so much.

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Sorry, cannot do a scan at this time, but the patch has no sun on the left-hand side, it's replaced by Phillips' name, and Reiter's name replaces Phillips on the right side of the patch. From that point it's the same.

Harald Kraenzel
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posted 04-08-2010 02:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Harald Kraenzel   Click Here to Email Harald Kraenzel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Butch, what color does the border of that Exp. 11 Reiter patch have: golden or yellow?

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posted 04-08-2010 02:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hoorenz   Click Here to Email hoorenz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sure this Expedition 11 Reiter patch is not a Randy Hunt invention? I only know this early design by Tim.

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posted 04-08-2010 03:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Harald Kraenzel   Click Here to Email Harald Kraenzel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And here the identical patch made by Randy Hunt:

And here the Expedition 11 Reiter patch I own (also made by Randy Hunt):

The Reiter patch shows a yellow border while the AB Emblem does have a golden border:

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I can attest that Randy did not have permission to make the Krikalev, Phillips and Volkov patch, which was a late draft of the artwork. That patch is stolen property in my opinion.

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Besides STS-133, 118, 117, 113, 106, 88, 51G and 51D, did AB Emblem produce a patch for both the incorrect and correct crew? Did AB Emblem produce patches without tabs for missions STS-51C, 51F, 51J, 61A, 61B, and 51L?

Thanks for your help, my curiosity is up after reading all of these posts.

Editor's note: Threads merged.

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Don't forget STS-86. The Wolf tab was produced and sent seperately from the main patch.

"STS-61B" was produced as a patch without tab - at the time that the flight was still called 61D (and later 51I).

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What about patches from STS-133 with Tim Kopra before he was replaced by Stephen Bowen?

I haven't seen the patch yet, but there was a vendor on eBay for quite a while selling t-shirts, hats and polo shirts with the original mission patch design. I asked that vendor and was told that they were buying it in bulk from a outlet store in Texas somewhere. I have worn my incorrect mission-marked polo several times but not the t-shirt nor the hat. Not yet, anyway. I wonder how valuable any of that might be worth someday?

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posted 03-21-2012 04:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for spaceman   Click Here to Email spaceman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
AB Emblem produced both versions of STS-133 but only the Bowen version is now featured on their site.

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What about patches for STS-61F and 61G? The crews were assigned and photos taken with the patch design included. They were going to use Shuttle/Centaur to boost Ulysses and Galileo. Both missions were cancelled after Challenger.

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quote:
Originally posted by mach3valkyrie:
What about patches for STS-61G and 61H?
I have seen these embroidered on the internet, but I don't know if they were official or reproductions. I doubt they were NASA sanctioned patches.


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