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Topic: Mission patches for crews that never flew
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OV-105
Member Posts: 816
From: Ridgecrest, CA
Registered: Sep 2000
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posted 03-30-2006 10:16 PM
   
What flight patches do we know were made but never flown? Let's leave off any flights where tabs were added for payload specialists like STS-61B's when they were 51I. Those can be made with tab removal. Here is what I know of: STS-41F, STS-51E (Garn-Baudry), STS-51D (Jarvis-Walker), STS-61E (Astro-1), STS-42 (Carter), Shuttle-Mir (Lawrence), STS-88 (without Krikalev), STS-101, STS-113 (Loria-Thomas), Expedition 6 (Thomas), STS-114 (Expedition 6/7), Expedition 7 (three man). I do not know if they were made but will also list pre-Columbia STS-116 and STS-117, as well as the six-person STS-121. |
Ben
Member Posts: 1896
From: Cape Canaveral, FL
Registered: May 2000
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posted 03-30-2006 10:37 PM
Let's get this down, in list format, for reference. And let's keep this AB Emblem only from what we know: - STS-51E/STS-51D (41F is a 'tab removal' type)
- STS-51D/STS-51G
- STS-42
- STS-88
- STS-101
- STS-113
- STS-114
- Exp. 6
- Exp. 7 Moshenko
- Exp. 7 Kaleri
There was no AB Emblem beyond 115 then (before Columbia), nor is there beyond 115 now.And for cancelled missions: STS-61E Is that it? |
Robert Pearlman
Editor Posts: 42984
From: Houston, TX
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 03-30-2006 11:48 PM
There were AB-produced STS-121 patches without Reiter but they were reportedly only released to the crew.There are also unconfirmed reports of Reiter appearing on AB Exp. 11 and Exp. 12 patches. And the current Exp. 13 patches without Reiter will technically fall into this category once replaced with the three crew member version. |
OV-105
Member Posts: 816
From: Ridgecrest, CA
Registered: Sep 2000
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posted 03-31-2006 12:57 AM
The STS-41F patch is larger and slight color change from the STS-51D. |
Hart Sastrowardoyo
Member Posts: 3445
From: Toms River, NJ
Registered: Aug 2000
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posted 03-31-2006 07:08 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Ben:
There was no AB beyond 115 then (before Columbia), nor is there beyond 115 now.
Then who produced the STS-117 Polansky patch which one of the crew was wearing? |
Harald Kraenzel
Member Posts: 304
From: Dinslaken,Germany
Registered: Nov 2005
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posted 03-31-2006 10:02 AM
I wrote AB sending them pictures of the two STS-85 patch versions and asking them whether they made an Ashby patch. Here is the answer: Often there are crew changes and names are replaced. Since we are the official contractor for NASA, we make preliminary versions and sometimes go into production before the crew change. So yes, we made both, but only stock the official one at this time. |
Ben
Member Posts: 1896
From: Cape Canaveral, FL
Registered: May 2000
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posted 03-31-2006 10:18 AM
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Originally posted by Hart Sastrowardoyo:
Then who produced the STS-117 Polansky patch which one of the crew was wearing?
You're right, I forgot about that. In fact, I have seen two name versions in photos of that patch from what I recall.I haven't seen any photos showing an STS-116 patch, but now I wonder. |
Ben
Member Posts: 1896
From: Cape Canaveral, FL
Registered: May 2000
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posted 03-31-2006 10:19 AM
Often there are crew changes and names are replaced. Since we are the official contractor for NASA, we make preliminary versions and sometimes go into production before the crew change. So yes, we made both, but only stock the official one at this time. It's nice of them to respond, but it doesn't sound like they know for sure. How long before flight did Ashby step down, does anyone remember? Are there any photos showing them wearing the patch with Ashby? |
Tom
Member Posts: 1597
From: New York
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 03-31-2006 02:44 PM
The first NASA shuttle status report to list Rominger as a replacement for Ashby was dated 3/21/97. |
nitro
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posted 03-31-2006 08:58 PM
Actually, the announcement came just a few days earlier. See here... |
Ben
Member Posts: 1896
From: Cape Canaveral, FL
Registered: May 2000
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posted 03-31-2006 09:07 PM
Looks like July 17 was the original launch date. So whether they had their patches to look at yet is not a sure thing, but likely I would guess. |
Robert Pearlman
Editor Posts: 42984
From: Houston, TX
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 03-31-2006 10:48 PM
I had forgotten about a related article to this topic that was published in 2002. |
Ben
Member Posts: 1896
From: Cape Canaveral, FL
Registered: May 2000
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posted 03-31-2006 10:50 PM
I own Expedition 6 Thomas patches in their original AB Emblem package. They had stacks of them at the KSCVC even a year after the launch.You can tell the AB version for Exp. 6 most easily as the ISS is in gold thread. |
Ben
Member Posts: 1896
From: Cape Canaveral, FL
Registered: May 2000
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posted 04-06-2006 09:17 PM
I was just watching the STS-51D crew presentation from post flight. They start off like all the rest showing their patch, and commander Bobko says, showing the art before the video begins,"Of course here is our patch. it was the fourth try at a patch since our mission had been changed so many times." This does not mean there are four cloth versions but does imply four patch designs were made. I have only seen three...does anyone know what the fourth might be? |
Jacques van Oene
Member Posts: 861
From: Houten, The Netherlands
Registered: Oct 2001
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posted 04-07-2006 05:01 AM
- STS-41E/F
- STS-51E (Baudry tab)
- STS-51E (Baudry - Garn tab)
- STS-51D (Walker Garn tab) Final version
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Ben
Member Posts: 1896
From: Cape Canaveral, FL
Registered: May 2000
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posted 04-07-2006 07:04 AM
Thanks Jacques, are there AB versions with just Baudry? I have not seen any that I can recall. |
Jacques van Oene
Member Posts: 861
From: Houten, The Netherlands
Registered: Oct 2001
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posted 04-07-2006 05:15 PM
As far as I know, only the crew got the Baudry tab version, and up to this day I have never seen any up for sale... and that includes replicas. (Still wonder why no one ever came to that idea to make those...) |
OV-105
Member Posts: 816
From: Ridgecrest, CA
Registered: Sep 2000
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posted 04-07-2006 06:24 PM
I have the 3-inch Baudry and the decal but have never seen the 4-inch. |
spaced out
Member Posts: 3110
From: Paris, France
Registered: Aug 2003
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posted 06-22-2006 03:53 AM
Can anyone tell me what is the relative scarcity of these unflown patches? - STS-42 Carter [v. rare; recent price $317]
- STS-51D Jarvis-Walker [<100 exist? recent price $195]
- STS-51E Baudry-Garn AB 1st gen (dark blue edging)
- STS-51E Baudry-Garn AB 2nd gen (light blue edging)
- STS-61E [<50 exist?]
- STS-63 Ford
- STS-85 Ashby
- STS-88 no Krikalev [apparently very common]
- STS-101 Lu etc. [apparently very common]
I've tried to put what little info I already have in brackets. Can anyone add more info? |
OV-105
Member Posts: 816
From: Ridgecrest, CA
Registered: Sep 2000
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posted 06-23-2006 05:27 PM
One thing to remember about STS-51E and STS-101 is that they were canceled within weeks of their launches so they had already been made in mass. I do not remember when Krikalev was added to STS-88. Anyone remember when that happened? |
Bill Hunt
Member Posts: 399
From: Irvine, CA
Registered: Oct 2002
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posted 06-28-2006 07:02 PM
What is the complete and up-to-date listing of these cancelled mission patches? Is there a "latest" version of the list? Has anyone done an online guide with pictures of all the ones that are known to exist? |
hoorenz
Member Posts: 1031
From: The Netherlands
Registered: Jan 2003
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posted 06-29-2006 05:07 PM
When Jacques bought the STS-42 Carter recently on eBay, we noticed that two different versions exist. The one I found on eBay five years ago, was an evaluation version, using the same type of cloud pattern found earlier on the STS-32 patch, a blue Spacelab, a smaller orbiter and IML-I instead of IML-1. This evaluation version was made into a finalized design before Sonny Carter died. Only change made for the final patch (except Hilmers and the bright yellow star) is the color of the ESA logo in Merbold's name. |
spaceman
Member Posts: 1104
From: Walsall, West Midlands, UK
Registered: Dec 2002
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posted 08-25-2009 06:21 PM
Does anyone know anything about this patch? It is based on STS-101 with different crew names. Was there ever such a possible crew configuration? |
OV-105
Member Posts: 816
From: Ridgecrest, CA
Registered: Sep 2000
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posted 08-25-2009 08:30 PM
That is the original STS-101 crew patch. When Zarya's launched got delayed part of the STS-101 crew was changed and the STS-106 mission was added. |
Apollo-Soyuz
Member Posts: 1205
From: Shady Side, Md
Registered: Sep 2004
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posted 08-26-2009 05:25 AM
I believe it was Zvezda launch that was delayed and was eventually launched on July 12, 2000. |
Jacques van Oene
Member Posts: 861
From: Houten, The Netherlands
Registered: Oct 2001
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posted 08-26-2009 08:32 AM
quote:
Originally posted by spaced out:
Can anyone tell me what is the relative scarcity of these unflown patches? STS-61E [<50 exist?]
Jon McBride told me last November that 200 STS-61E patches were made... |
dogcrew5369
Member Posts: 750
From: Statesville, NC
Registered: Mar 2009
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posted 02-26-2010 01:12 AM
Wasn't the STS-118 Anderson patch produced by AB Emblem and then changed to Drew before the flight? Wouldn't this patch count just like other unflown crew change patches? |
butch wilks
Member Posts: 333
From: Lowestoft, Suffolk, UK
Registered: Mar 2007
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posted 04-07-2010 04:22 AM
I have most of the patches on this post. They have been sent to me at the time by Stewart Aviation in the UK.AB Emblem seems to have sent out a number of patches to outlets before NASA has okayed the patch for production for a time, but now they seem to hold back right up to just week or two before the launch. I can confirm that Reiter is on AB Emblem Exp. 11 and Exp. 12 patches as I have them. |
KAPTEC
Member Posts: 578
From: Madrid, Spain
Registered: Oct 2005
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posted 04-07-2010 05:11 AM
Butch, please, can you post a scan with the Expedition 11 patch with Reiter name on it? Thank you so much. |
butch wilks
Member Posts: 333
From: Lowestoft, Suffolk, UK
Registered: Mar 2007
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posted 04-07-2010 11:21 AM
Sorry, cannot do a scan at this time, but the patch has no sun on the left-hand side, it's replaced by Phillips' name, and Reiter's name replaces Phillips on the right side of the patch. From that point it's the same. |
Harald Kraenzel
Member Posts: 304
From: Dinslaken,Germany
Registered: Nov 2005
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posted 04-08-2010 02:52 AM
Butch, what color does the border of that Exp. 11 Reiter patch have: golden or yellow? |
hoorenz
Member Posts: 1031
From: The Netherlands
Registered: Jan 2003
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posted 04-08-2010 02:56 AM
Sure this Expedition 11 Reiter patch is not a Randy Hunt invention? I only know this early design by Tim.  |
KSCartist
Member Posts: 2896
From: Titusville, FL USA
Registered: Feb 2005
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posted 04-08-2010 05:24 AM
I can attest that Randy did not have permission to make the Krikalev, Phillips and Volkov patch, which was a late draft of the artwork. That patch is stolen property in my opinion. |
J Blackburn
Member Posts: 224
From: Riner, Virginia USA
Registered: Sep 2011
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posted 03-20-2012 02:58 PM
Besides STS-133, 118, 117, 113, 106, 88, 51G and 51D, did AB Emblem produce a patch for both the incorrect and correct crew? Did AB Emblem produce patches without tabs for missions STS-51C, 51F, 51J, 61A, 61B, and 51L?Thanks for your help, my curiosity is up after reading all of these posts. Editor's note: Threads merged. |
hoorenz
Member Posts: 1031
From: The Netherlands
Registered: Jan 2003
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posted 03-20-2012 04:03 PM
Don't forget STS-86. The Wolf tab was produced and sent seperately from the main patch."STS-61B" was produced as a patch without tab - at the time that the flight was still called 61D (and later 51I). |
p51
Member Posts: 1642
From: Olympia, WA
Registered: Sep 2011
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posted 03-20-2012 05:13 PM
What about patches from STS-133 with Tim Kopra before he was replaced by Stephen Bowen?I haven't seen the patch yet, but there was a vendor on eBay for quite a while selling t-shirts, hats and polo shirts with the original mission patch design. I asked that vendor and was told that they were buying it in bulk from a outlet store in Texas somewhere. I have worn my incorrect mission-marked polo several times but not the t-shirt nor the hat. Not yet, anyway. I wonder how valuable any of that might be worth someday? |
spaceman
Member Posts: 1104
From: Walsall, West Midlands, UK
Registered: Dec 2002
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posted 03-21-2012 04:57 PM
AB Emblem produced both versions of STS-133 but only the Bowen version is now featured on their site. |
mach3valkyrie
Member Posts: 719
From: Albany, Oregon
Registered: Jul 2006
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posted 03-21-2012 09:13 PM
What about patches for STS-61F and 61G? The crews were assigned and photos taken with the patch design included. They were going to use Shuttle/Centaur to boost Ulysses and Galileo. Both missions were cancelled after Challenger. |
dogcrew5369
Member Posts: 750
From: Statesville, NC
Registered: Mar 2009
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posted 03-22-2012 04:34 AM
quote:
Originally posted by mach3valkyrie:
What about patches for STS-61G and 61H?
I have seen these embroidered on the internet, but I don't know if they were official or reproductions. I doubt they were NASA sanctioned patches. |
mama04
Member Posts: 151
From: Haarlem, N-H, Netherlands
Registered: Sep 2010
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posted 03-22-2012 06:32 AM
quote:
Originally posted by mach3valkyrie:
What about patches for STS-61G and 61H?
There were no official 61F or 61G made patches, the ones seen are reproductions of the original design. |
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