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Larry McGlynn
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posted 11-13-2011 11:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Larry McGlynn   Click Here to Email Larry McGlynn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There is are two adjustment screws under the base for the metal arm. If you loosen and shift the metal arm slightly back, lock the screws in again and bend the metal arm into a finer vertical position, then the model stays balanced. Dragon used a standard base for a fairly heavy model.

Also, the model needs to be glued together to keep the spacecraft alignment straight. Although the misalignment does add to the realism of the actual ASTP docking.

Sam Que
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posted 11-13-2011 07:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sam Que   Click Here to Email Sam Que     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Larry McGlynn:
There is are two adjustment screws under the base for the metal arm... Also, the model needs to be glued together...
Thanks for the two tips, that did the trick.

cspg
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posted 11-14-2011 07:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for cspg   Click Here to Email cspg     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh great. Back to glu(e)ing things together. That model will stay in its box.

Jay Chladek
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posted 11-15-2011 11:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jay Chladek   Click Here to Email Jay Chladek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I took a look at one of these today at a local shop. I like what I see, but it certainly could have been better for the price they want. The back end of the Soyuz doesn't look quite right (and NASA shot a couple pictures of Soyuz 19 after undocking, so they had references). The coloring of the Soyuz also seems a little more olive than green. Then of course there is the silver docking module as well.

I REALLY hope they do this one unbuilt so I can correct these flaws while I build and paint as opposed to running the risk of messing up a pre-built model.

roberthoudin
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posted 12-05-2011 08:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for roberthoudin   Click Here to Email roberthoudin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Actually, the biggest problem with this model (outside of paint, which can be fixed easily) is the fact that the connection piece on the Soyuz is at the wrong angle compared to reality. It is impossible to align the three pieces exactly as they were in reality. Better reference check on material readily available would have helped correct this major flaw.

Rick Mulheirn
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posted 12-25-2011 04:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rick Mulheirn   Click Here to Email Rick Mulheirn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I would appreciate some advice from those who have this model already. My wife kindly bought me one as a Christmas present.

A cursory inspection finds the DM and CM fit is pretty snug. But the the DM and Soyuz do not "connect" at all. There is no tight fit what so ever. It is as if the male portion of the Soyuz is too short to fit in to the DM counterpart.

It may well be me; perhaps there is a technique for "locking" the DM to the Soyuz so that it supports the weight of the spacecraft.

Any pointers would be apprecaited.

Daugherty54
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posted 03-04-2012 10:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Daugherty54   Click Here to Email Daugherty54     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just bought this and assembled it today. I removed the plastic base and mounted the arm to a wooden base I bought at a hobby store. It is about 8" long and I painted it black. This counters the long extension of the Soyuz very well. Everything on mine fits great and I have no sag at all. Pretty nice looking model in my opinion. I am going to have Vance Brand sign it at Spacefest...

cspg
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posted 05-11-2012 02:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cspg   Click Here to Email cspg     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Jay Chladek:
And I hope they do Soyuz as a model kit as well (as opposed to JUST doing it as a diecast).
The Apollo-Soyuz kit has been announced here.

Jay Chladek
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posted 05-12-2012 12:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jay Chladek   Click Here to Email Jay Chladek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
SWEET!!!!

I suppose I'll have to get one of these, perhaps two (so I can scrounge the second Soyuz module for something else). Now if Dragon were to retool the docking section and maybe alter the solar array configuration, they could issue a generation 1 or gen 2 Soyuz.

KAPTEC
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posted 05-13-2012 07:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KAPTEC   Click Here to Email KAPTEC     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
But we still having not a Soyuz 1/72 or 1/48 scale model (diecast or model kit...)

ilbasso
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posted 06-08-2012 11:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ilbasso   Click Here to Email ilbasso     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just purchased the die-cast model for my display case. It appears that the "sag" issue with the Soyuz and docking collar has been resolved, at least on my model. The two fit together very snugly, and in fact the Soyuz bent upwards at first until I adjusted them. The loosest part was the CM-to-DM connection, which I Super-Glued into place.

Despite a few inaccuracies, it's a nice display piece and looks good with my other models.

KAPTEC
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posted 06-20-2012 02:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KAPTEC   Click Here to Email KAPTEC     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I got a solution for the previous models to fit them perfectly aligned in their position... Put a little drop of glue in the "male" end of the docking adapter module. Wait 24 hours. Then insert it on the Soyuz: the adjust is perfect and you do not need to glue them permanently.

Daugherty54
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posted 06-20-2012 04:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Daugherty54   Click Here to Email Daugherty54     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have to give kudos to Dragon's customer service. During a recent move the docking pin between the adapter and the apollo broke. I contacted Dragoncare and had a new one in days. Excellent service and extremely courteous service.

Norman.King
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posted 06-21-2012 12:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Norman.King   Click Here to Email Norman.King     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Daugherty54:
I have to give kudos to Dragon's customer service.
My experience with Dragon customer support is the complete opposite.

In March I bought their 1/72 Apollo Lunar Approach and it came with two right hand LM thrusters (looking at it directly from the front). I contacted customer support (via their website) and they issued me a support ticket and emailed me to say that a left hand thruster would be ordered and sent but it never has arrived.

I have since contacted them three times to ask what's going on but they just ignored me completely. I'm left with a useless model and doubt that I'll ever buy anything of theirs again.

GACspaceguy
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posted 06-21-2012 11:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GACspaceguy   Click Here to Email GACspaceguy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I had the same RCS issue and they were very quick in getting it resolved.

Norman.King
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posted 06-21-2012 12:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Norman.King   Click Here to Email Norman.King     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Maybe their level of customer service depends on what side of the pond you live.

Ronpur
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posted 08-13-2012 05:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ronpur   Click Here to Email Ronpur     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Found the kit version of this today and ordered it from Starship Modeller!!

Ronpur
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posted 08-16-2012 11:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ronpur   Click Here to Email Ronpur     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Got the kit today. Very surprised that the Soyuz and docking module is molded of a heavy vinyl and not plastic. It is a bit squishy in places. It does have some nicely molded detail but this seams an odd choice.

Ronpur
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posted 09-05-2012 08:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ronpur   Click Here to Email Ronpur     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
For those of you who have the diecast version of this....does the Soyuz have any marking? CCCP or a flag. The kit has no decals for the Soyuz.

jjknap
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posted 09-05-2012 08:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jjknap   Click Here to Email jjknap     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ronpur:
does the Soyuz have any marking? CCCP or a flag. The kit has no decals for the Soyuz.

None whatsoever.

KAPTEC
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posted 09-06-2012 07:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KAPTEC   Click Here to Email KAPTEC     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
None at all...

tetrox
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posted 09-07-2012 04:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for tetrox   Click Here to Email tetrox     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm unsure which markings should be present. Is there a resource which illustrates the markings that were applied to the actual Soyuz craft?

There is a nice illustration of the CCCP marking here.

Ronpur
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posted 09-07-2012 09:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ronpur   Click Here to Email Ronpur     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That is the picture I am going by to try to make some CCCP decals. I have seen artwork showing a flag as well, but have never seen a photo showing it on the actual vehicle.

sev8n
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posted 09-07-2012 04:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sev8n     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I recently visited the Cosmosphere where they have a mockup of the ASTP. The only visible marking on the Soyuz is the red CCCP letters on a white rectangle on the orbital module. Most of the exterior is covered in green thermal blankets. The mockup looks to be quite representative of the ASTP photos I've seen.

Ronpur
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posted 09-09-2012 06:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ronpur   Click Here to Email Ronpur     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks!! I have created a CCCP on my computer and am hoping my inkjet will print. I have white decal sheet to use!


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