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Topic: Complete space-flown mission checklists
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rgarner Member Posts: 1193 From: Shepperton, United Kingdom Registered: Mar 2012
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posted 06-20-2015 12:05 PM
With the emergence of a few complete flown checklists as of late, it got me wondering - how many complete checklists are left?I see pages flying around here and there (which is rather sad in my honest opinion). But I would really love to know which ones are still intact! I was also wondering if there were any checklists used during the Mercury missions (I've certainly never seen one enter the market!) Does anyone own a complete checklist or know where one is located? |
David Carey Member Posts: 782 From: Registered: Mar 2009
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posted 06-20-2015 03:59 PM
Despite the slicing and dicing of some, there are still a number of intact checklists or Flight Data Files (FDFs) out there.I have the LMP's heavily-annotated Apollo 9 LM Rendezvous Activation FDF (some snippets here). Novaspace / Astronaut Central sold this and perhaps half a dozen other complete FDFs from Jim McDivitt, including a second CDR copy of the above which appeared to have been largely unused given the lack of in-flight notes. I'd think 10-20 others from Apollo and maybe the same number from Gemini might have appeared at auctions in the last 8-10 years but that's a guess based only on memory. There are private holdings that would amaze, and significantly increase the checklist count, so tossing a dart perhaps 50-75 total intact FDFs that have been sold and/or are in private hands. I might have seen another 10-20 FDFs in various museums. The National Air and Space Museum appears to have about 10 in their holdings, none from Mercury interestingly. Anyway, seems like something in the range of 100 complete Gemini and Apollo FDFs might still exist overall but I could be way off. I also don't know what else might still be held by astronauts or their heirs. For context this thread raises the notion of some 330 total FDFs flown on all Apollo missions (11 missions, avg. 30 books per mission). If the ten Gemini missions used half the number of FDFs as Apollo, then ~500 total flown Gemini/Apollo FDFs ever existing is implied as the ceiling. Curious about this myself so would love to hear some other opinions and estimates. As to where there are complete FDFs available you should look over the current RR auction and you might want to check with Astronaut Central. Other than that, keep watching Bonhams, Heritage, RR, and the usual suspects for top shelf space material - I'm sure more will come around. |
Lou Chinal Member Posts: 1306 From: Staten Island, NY Registered: Jun 2007
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posted 06-20-2015 04:31 PM
I have heard that Nancy Lowe typed the Mercury check list on long scroll. But I must add I have never seen one. |
moonguyron Member Posts: 191 From: Trinity, FL USA Registered: Jan 2011
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posted 07-04-2015 07:51 PM
Speaking of Mercury checklists can someone help me identify this one? It is titled "Capsule Flight Operations Manual" with the words "Project Mercury, NASA" across the top, and is referenced as "SEDR 109." Across the bottom McDonnell Aircraft Corporation." It has a blue vinyl cover over a 3-ring binder. The first page says it is for "Capsules 11 and 15" and "REDSTONE." For those familiar with Air Force aircraft manuals it is similar to a small Dash-1. Full of "Caution" and "Warning" scattered among the verbage. It has "Normal Procedures" (34 pages), Emergency Procedures" (42 pages) and "Trouble Shooting" (22 pages) chapters. And behind that on yellow heavy stock it has what is titled as "Astronaut's Check List" (sic). "Mercury Redstone Capsules 11 and 15." That is divided into "Normal Procedures- "Pre-entrance" thru "Landing" then "Emergency Procedures" (E-1 thru E-14." Eleven and 15, according to a loose paper included in the manual, were MR-5 and MR-6, both "manned ballistic." The blue binder is 7 and 1/2 by 6 inches and the pages inside are 5 by 7 inches; small enough to be strapped to the astronauts leg. Just wondering if anyone has seen one of these before or how rare it might me. I have had this for decades; too long to remember where I got it. I did just recently got Chris Kraft to autograph the first page. |
Lou Chinal Member Posts: 1306 From: Staten Island, NY Registered: Jun 2007
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posted 07-07-2015 07:28 PM
You have the real thing! Production #11 is Liberty Bell 7. Number 15 was scheduled to fly MR-5 with John Glenn. As we all know a third sub-orbital flight was deemed unnecessary.Shepard's is on display at the National Air and Space Museum in Washington. |
mercsim Member Posts: 219 From: Phoenix, AZ Registered: Feb 2007
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posted 07-07-2015 07:59 PM
You sure about all that?
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Lou Chinal Member Posts: 1306 From: Staten Island, NY Registered: Jun 2007
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posted 07-08-2015 11:03 AM
If someone in the D.C. area would be kind enough to take a photo of it and post it here you would see. The manual is up on the second floor to the right of the Lunar Module display. |
rgarner Member Posts: 1193 From: Shepperton, United Kingdom Registered: Mar 2012
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posted 07-08-2015 11:08 AM
I'd love to see a picture of both! |
proxima1 New Member Posts: 8 From: San Jose, CA Registered: May 2015
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posted 07-09-2015 01:30 PM
quote: Originally posted by Lou Chinal: I have heard that Nancy Lowe typed the Mercury check list on long scroll. But I must add I have never seen one.
In one of the early auctions, an MA-9 flown flight plan was sold, and it was in the form of a long scroll mounted on a long narrow light-box. As I recall, this was an experiment of sorts and was only flown on Faith 7. It sold for about $35K (that used to be a lot of money back then). |
proxima1 New Member Posts: 8 From: San Jose, CA Registered: May 2015
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posted 07-09-2015 01:37 PM
I managed to snag Conrad's flown GT-5 flight plan in the 90s as well as his map book from the same flight, and recently the Apollo 17 "Updates" notebook. The latter has all of Evan's notes for each of the MCC, LOI, DOE and TEI. It's fun to listen to the Apollo 17 mission audio and hear the CapCom radioing up the numbers for each of the PADs and see the page Evan's jotted the values down.The finally TEI page he's highlighted as that was the coming-home page. It also marks the moment that mankind left the moon for the last time. Shuttle FDF stuff is popping up from time to time. Much more affordable than Apollo that's for sure, although not nearly as profound as the early stuff. |
Larry McGlynn Member Posts: 1255 From: Boston, MA Registered: Jul 2003
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posted 07-09-2015 08:55 PM
Actually, the Flight Data File or FDF is the complete set of checklists, maps, charts and cuff checklists. There were approximately between twenty two to twenty-nine checklist books in each FDF. In one case, the FDF had 10 that were LM flown and 12 that were CSM flown. There were 12 5x7 inch "small" checklists and 9 to 10 8.5x11 inch "large" checklists in the set. This was a variable number and depended on the mission. Apollo 17 could possibly have had as many as 29 checklists. One could figure the correct number by going through the Apollo Stowage Lists one by one. If one were to take a sample history of one specific type of checklist, then a little interpolation might give a very limited idea of the percentage of complete checklists still out there. It's a stretch, but until someone looks through every auction catalog and every private sale that has taken place, it about as good as it is going to get for now. To use the flight plans for example. - Apollo 7 at the Saturn V center
- Apollo 8 Vol I at the Alder Planetarium
- Apollo 9 with private collector
- Apollo 10 unknown
- Apollo 11 broken up and sold by page
- Apollo 12 with private collector
- Apollo 13 unknown
- Apollo 14 at the Astronaut Hall of Fame
- Apollo 15 at a private institution
- Apollo 16 unknown
- Apollo 17 in separate private collections
Maybe someone can fill in what happened to the Apollo 10, 13 & 16 (Auction?) checklists? Interesting situation came recently. A scientist contacted an astronaut about the state vector of his S/C. He needed to know which way one of the cameras was pointing at a star system during TEI. He wanted to compare recent photos with those taken 45 years ago in order to detect any changes in the photographed area. The scientist was given the S/C position information via the Flight Plan and the Updates Book. So, in the end, the complete checklists are not only of historical value, they still have scientific value. |
Robert Pearlman Editor Posts: 42981 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 07-09-2015 09:05 PM
According to my interview with the curators of the "Mission Moon" exhibit, the Apollo 13 flown flight plan is at the Adler. I may be mistaken, but I thought the Apollo 8 flight plan was at The Museum of Science and Industry (or at least the pages with the excerpt from Genesis is there). |
Larry McGlynn Member Posts: 1255 From: Boston, MA Registered: Jul 2003
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posted 07-10-2015 06:21 AM
Your corrections have been added. |
rjurek349 Member Posts: 1190 From: Northwest Indiana Registered: Jan 2002
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posted 07-10-2015 11:16 AM
Actually, the Apollo 8 flight plan (at least, vol. 1) is at the Adler and not the MSI, and is part of the "Mission Moon" exhibit. If you go to this page and click on the artifact list, you will see it listed there. And it has been there for a while, and part of the prior exhibit. It used to be out front, across from the Lovell statue in a case, and open to the reading of Genesis. Great thread, by the way! |
Larry McGlynn Member Posts: 1255 From: Boston, MA Registered: Jul 2003
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posted 07-10-2015 01:01 PM
I did a little more snooping in my files and came up with a list of broken up Apollo checklists. It may not be complete, but if anybody can add to it that would be appreciated.Apollo 7: LMP Flight Book Apollo 8: CSM Updates Book Apollo 9: CSM Systems Data Book Apollo 10: Landmark Maps Book Apollo 11: Flight Plan Apollo 11: LM Map Book Apollo 11: LM G&N Dictionary Apollo 11: LM Activation Checklist Apollo 12: CSM Launch Operations checklist Apollo 12: CSM Systems Data Book Apollo 12: CSM Lunar Landmarks Book Apollo 13: LM Activation Book Apollo 13: LM Malfunctions Procedures checklist Apollo 13: CSM Systems Data Book Apollo 16: LM G&N Dictionary Apollo 16: Lunar Surface Checklist Apollo 16: LM Systems Data Book Apollo 16: LRV Map Book Apollo 16: LM Timeline Book Apollo 17: LM Malfunctions Procedures checklist Apollo 17: LM G& N Dictionary Apollo 17: LRV Map Book Apollo 17: Lunar Surface Checklist Apollo 17: LM Contingencies checklist Apollo 17: LM Systems Data Book Apollo 17: CSM Lunar Landmarks Book It appears that about 10% of the estimated number of checklists flown on all Apollo missions have been broken up. |
4allmankind Member Posts: 1043 From: Dallas Registered: Jan 2004
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posted 07-10-2015 02:34 PM
I've kept tabs as well, Larry, and have a list somewhere. Off the top of my head, I do know that an Apollo 7 LMP checklist has been broken up. |
Larry McGlynn Member Posts: 1255 From: Boston, MA Registered: Jul 2003
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posted 07-10-2015 03:01 PM
You are right. Pages for the A7 LMP Flight Checklist showed up at Heritage. It is on the list. Let's just keep looking. |
rjurek349 Member Posts: 1190 From: Northwest Indiana Registered: Jan 2002
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posted 07-10-2015 08:44 PM
Larry - Another mission -- Schematics from a flown Apollo 9 CSM/LM Systems checklist were offered for sale by Astronaut Central. I have a few pages in my collection. |
Larry McGlynn Member Posts: 1255 From: Boston, MA Registered: Jul 2003
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posted 07-11-2015 07:20 AM
Rich, Apollo 9 Systems Data book has been added. |
rgarner Member Posts: 1193 From: Shepperton, United Kingdom Registered: Mar 2012
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posted 07-11-2015 07:31 AM
Can we add Mercury and Gemini Checklists to the list? |
Larry McGlynn Member Posts: 1255 From: Boston, MA Registered: Jul 2003
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posted 07-11-2015 10:30 AM
Just give the names and I will add them in a separate section for each project. I know of GT-5 breakups, but I don't know the checklists. |
rgarner Member Posts: 1193 From: Shepperton, United Kingdom Registered: Mar 2012
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posted 07-11-2015 12:16 PM
The GT5 Re-Entry Checklist is privately owned. |
NJSPACEFAN Member Posts: 128 From: Ocala, FL USA Registered: Dec 2000
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posted 07-11-2015 02:04 PM
Larry, the Apollo 11 LM Activation Checklist was also broken up. |
Andy Anderson Member Posts: 82 From: Perth, Australia Registered: Dec 2009
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posted 08-21-2016 09:40 AM
quote: Originally posted by Larry McGlynn: It appears that about 10% of the estimated number of checklists flown on all Apollo missions have been broken up.
The list of flown checklists in some cases appears to more than one copy of the same checklist.For instance, on Apollo 13, there appears to be two copies of the following checklists carried on board, according to the stow list and some photocopies of the flown LM Systems Activation checklists I have; - CM Launch
- CM G&C
- CM Systems
- CM Entry
- LM Systems Activation
For the LM Systems Activation checklist, Fred used copy S/N 1001 to copy a procedure for checking the SHe pressure in the LM and later in the LM, Jim used S/N 1002, which sold (eventually) in 2011, to record the gimbal angles ("please check my arithmetic!!").I have not checked all the stow lists, but I assume that dual copies of flown checklists from other missions were returned and retained, which means that, hopefully, there are possibly some more lists out there - complete or otherwise. |
rgarner Member Posts: 1193 From: Shepperton, United Kingdom Registered: Mar 2012
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posted 08-21-2016 11:37 AM
For the sake of keeping record, John Glenn's Mercury-Atlas 6 Flight Checklist (or rather Instructions) sold at Nate D Sanders for $66,993 (inc. premium). The listing can be found here. |