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Larry McGlynn

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posted 12-28-2010 12:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Larry McGlynn   Click Here to Email Larry McGlynn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think that it would be a good idea. It will cost money to run it though. It will not resolve the issue that you brought up about provenance other then for the person who registers the object.

Most of these are set up for insurance theft recovery. I deal with the Jeweler's Registry with some regularity due to theft of jewelry. The registry establishes current legal ownership of a piece of jewelry. The jewelers who are members register each piece for identification purposes. Which is similar to this particular fine arts registry.


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posted 12-28-2010 05:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SpaceAholic   Click Here to Email SpaceAholic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Something on the order of a 501c non-profit (to mitigate conflict of interest) with fees to address stand-up and management of the database and admin for the tags. While the registry is one feature, the organization can concurrently mature standards of practice for adoption by the collecting community and auction houses (which would benefit all participants in the hobby). The key is ensuring an ethical, objective approach and broad participation (collectors, museums and auction houses).


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posted 12-29-2010 04:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for freshspot   Click Here to Email freshspot     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Great discussion here. I always learn from Scott, Larry, Rich, Robert, and others.

I would be happy to kick in a small fee to establish and run a registry. I would think that others would want to have one created too. But it will be a heck of a lot of work...

Dave Scott
(not the astronaut)


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posted 01-02-2011 11:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SpaceAholic   Click Here to Email SpaceAholic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Originally posted by SpaceAholic:
But manufacturing, testing, logs associated with pre/post-flight storage, ASHURs, TPS exist (or did) which can be used to validate provenance (the National Archives repository in Fort Worth probably hosts most of these).
The National Archives Fort Worth holdings are identified in this Preliminary Inventory of the Records of the Lyndon B Johnson Space Center. Two of the more relevant areas of the holding which can assist with establishing traceability of post-flight removed CM components are cited below:
E.214B. Spacecraft Hardware Utilization Records.
1967-1972. 4 ft.
Arranged by spacecraft number (S/C 017 to S/C 118).

Original signed Apollo Spacecraft Hardware Utilization Requests (ASHURs), Hardware Reuse Evaluations, Engineering Summary Reports, and related correspondence. The forms generally include a description of the hardware, part numbers, serial numbers, and disposition. (Old acc# 81-16). A-17-28-5

E.154E. Command and Service Module Hardware Refurbishment Packages.
1973-1975. 11 ft.
Arranged by control number (NR1738-2173)

Hardware Reuse Evaluations (MSC 1200), Apollo Spacecraft Hardware Utilization Reports (ASHURs), Acceptance Test Data Sheets, Component History Records, Configuration Records, End-Item Historical Report, flight anomaly reports, and related documents pertaining to hardware proposed for reuse. The various forms generally provide the part description, vendor, serial and part number, previous flight, and a complete history of the manufacture, testing, acceptance, and use of the item. The records document the certification/verification, refurbishment, and testing of switches, valves, clamps, ampules, instruments, indicators, panels, and entire panel assemblies. These packages were maintained by the Reliability, Quality Assurance and Safety Data Center and some also have TRIS control numbers (see entry 154C). (Old acc# 81-49) B-28-30-2

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