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dom
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posted 07-04-2018 02:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dom   Click Here to Email dom     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by YankeeClipper:
Gene Cernan and John Young were guests at a Fédération Aéronautique Internationale (FAI) Conference...
Thanks, that info solves one mystery for me. I was wondering why it was Cernan and Young (rather than the Apollo 17 crew) making the presentation. It makes sense to know they were mainly in Ireland to attend the 1973 FAI congress and took time out to make the presentation.

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posted 07-04-2018 05:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for YankeeClipper   Click Here to Email YankeeClipper     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
NASA JSC Press Release 73-112 dated 31 August 1973 announced this:
FAI HONORS APOLLO ASTRONAUTS

Astronauts Eugene A. Cernan and John W. Young will receive the two highest awards of the Federation Aeronautique Internationale Monday, September 3, in Dublin, Ireland. The Apollo 16 crew also will be honored.

The FAI Gold Space Medal for 1972 will be presented to Cernan for "outstanding performance as commander of Apollo 17." It is the federation's highest award for space flight.

Young, Apollo 16 commander, will receive the Yuri Gagarin Gold Medal for 1972, the second highest award. In addition, he will represent fellow crew men Astronauts Charles M. Duke, Jr., and Thomas K. Mattingly II, in accepting the V. M. Komarov Diploma, the only FAI space award which recognizes achievement by a crew rather than an individual.

The FAI is a worldwide federation dedicated to progress in aviation and space flight. It is the official keeper of records in those fields. The Dublin meeting is its 66th annual general conference.

Although John Young was the Apollo 16 CDR, he was also assigned as the replacement backup CDR for Apollo 17 when Apollo 15 CDR Dave Scott lost that slot. So Young could rightfully have attended as a representive of the Apollo 17 mission too.

Both Young and Cernan were also the perfect choice to present the goodwill moon rock as Cosmic Ray Detector experiments flown to the lunar surface on Apollo 16 and 17 were a joint collaborative effort between the School of Cosmic Physics at the Dublin Institute for Advanced Studies (DIAS) and the University of California, Berkeley. Plates from the Apollo 16 mission experiment were formally presented to the National Museum of Ireland in January 2014.

I'm not 100% certain, but I think the dapper gentleman second from the right in the photo is the then US Ambassador to Ireland John Denis Joseph Moore Jr. who served in that role from 1969 to 1975.

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posted 07-05-2018 01:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dom   Click Here to Email dom     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A fine piece of research, I think we know the full story now...

(Just wondering if Cernan threw the rock into his luggage on the way over!)

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posted 07-06-2018 11:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for YankeeClipper   Click Here to Email YankeeClipper     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
According to a New York Times article from October 1976 it didn't take long for people to lose interest in the Apollo 11 and 17 moon rocks - Once‐Celebrated Moon Rocks Are Has‐Beens

Following on the subject of people's perceptions of what is important and valuable, you also have to love how the world's oldest republic - la Repubblica di San Marino - had their $5 million moon rocks insured for only a mere €520 each!

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posted 07-08-2018 12:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for YankeeClipper   Click Here to Email YankeeClipper     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Some additional sifting through the archives of The Irish Times revealed the following.

Apollo 11:

On page 12 of The Irish Times, dated 11 April 1970, there is a photograph of Irish President Éamon de Valera inspecting the flown Apollo 11 Irish flag and lunar fragment which was presented to him at Áras an Uachtaráin by US Ambassador John D. J. Moore as a gift to the people of Ireland from US President Nixon.

De Valera was a mathematician and teacher, who established the Dublin Institute for Advanced Studies (DIAS) in 1940, so he was keenly interested in the achievements of the US Apollo Program.

On page 6 of The Irish Times, dated 4 October 1977, the fate of the Apollo 11 plaque was announced thus:

...a piece of moon rock from an Apollo Mission which had been presented to President de Valera was lost.
Despite the scale of the fire and damage caused to the Meridian Room of Dunsink Observatory, the Apollo 11 plaque was not overlooked or forgotten in the immediate aftermath.

Apollo 17:

Gene Cernan, John Young, and their wives arrived in Dublin on 2 September 1973 and attended a formal reception that night at Deerfield — the US Ambassador's official residence in the Phoenix Park.

The previously posted photograph of Cernan, Young, Moore, and Childers, taken by Pat Langan, appeared on page 6 of The Irish Times, dated 6 September 1973. The Apollo 17 Goodwill Moon Rock presentation ceremony occurred on 5 September 1973 at President Childers' official residence, Áras an Uachtaráin, in the Phoenix Park in Dublin.

Cernan and Young also attended the closing banquet of the FAI Congress in the Burlington Hotel, Dublin on 7 September 1973.

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I think we know the full story now...
Not quite. I really hope Gene didn't have the moon rock in his bag because the following article by Lionel Fleming was on page 13 of The Irish Times, dated 5 September 1973:
Astronaut Lost His Luggage Between London And Dublin
Gene complained that his luggage had been mislaid. Gene's luggage eventually arrived in Dublin on a later flight, but Barbara's did not.

I can only imagine the lost baggage claim form for that!

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New article on the search for New York's missing Apollo 11 moon rock (the whereabouts of the Apollo 17 rock is known and presumably secure).

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Louisiana's Apollo 11 moon rock display has been located in storage at the Lousiana Art & Science Museum in Baton Rouge. The state's Apollo 17 goodwill moon rock remains missing.
[Elizabeth Weinstein, the museum's chief curator] said, at some point the moon rocks were removed from their original mounting, which includes a plaque with a small Louisiana flag that also went to the moon and the rocks' official authentication from NASA.

Museum officials recently restored the rocks to their original plaque and hope to have them back on view by July 20, 2019, the 50th anniversary of when Armstrong took "one small step."

As for the piece of the Apollo 17 moon rock that was given to Louisiana, Weinstein had no idea where it might be. There is no record of its presentation or exhibit in The Advocate’s archives. The Louisiana State Museum and state archives and governor’s office had no record of it, though the governor's office said it is still looking.

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Seeing the fire that has destroyed the National Museum of Brazil in Rio de Janeiro, I wondered if either Brazil's Apollo 11 moon rock or Apollo 17 Goodwill moon rock were held there.

Looking at the tables in the Resources section it seems that the Apollo 17 rock was in a different museum but the location of the Apollo 11 rock was not identified. Hope it wasn't part of the collection, although admittedly compared to other material in the collection it would be far from the most significant loss.

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The Apollo 11 lunar sample display presented to Utah has been located by the Associated Press.
In Utah, the division of state history had no record of the sample, but The Associated Press confirmed it was in storage at Salt Lake City's Clark Planetarium.

Officials there may bring it out as part of celebrations recognizing the Apollo 11 anniversary next year...

That leaves just New York and the stolen sample from Delaware as the remaining two states for which Apollo 11 displays are absent.

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Louisiana's missing moon rock found in Florida thanks to broken gun

A long lost piece of the moon belonging to the state of Louisiana may have remained missing — if not also been discarded or destroyed — had the plaque on which it was mounted not attracted the eye of a Florida gun collector.

The man, who was looking for wood samples to use in the repair or replacement of his damaged gunstocks, purchased the Apollo 17 goodwill moon rock display without realizing what it was. The buyer, who requested to remain anonymous but resides in Merritt Island, near Cape Canaveral, said that he had likely purchased the plaque at a garage sale sometime over the past 15 years.

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That is one crazy story.

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Reading all this, I can't believe these moon rocks have been treated with such nonchalance.

Twelve people in the history of mankind have been fortunate to walk on it and bring us back pieces of what they saw. And this is how it's treated?

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Fifty years late, US gifts Apollo 17 moon rock to people of Cyprus

It took 50 years, but a moon rock intended as a goodwill gift from the United States to the people of Cyprus is finally being presented to the east Mediterranean island nation.

The lunar sample, encased in an acrylic ball and mounted to a wooden plaque, will be officially handed over during a ceremony at the presidential palace in Nicosia on Friday (Dec. 16). To celebrate the occasion, the U.S. Embassy arranged for the moon rock to be displayed by the Cyprus Space Exploration Organization (CSEO) as part of an exhibit open through Sunday.


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