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Topic: A-B Emblem patches for missions never flown
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OV-105
Member Posts: 932
From: Ridgecrest, CA
Registered: Sep 2000
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posted 03-30-2006 10:16 PM
   
What flight patches do we know were made by A-B Emblem but never flown? Let's leave off any flights where tabs were added for payload specialists like STS-61B, when they were 51-I. Those can be made with tab removal. Here is what I know of: STS-41F, STS-51E (Garn-Baudry), STS-51D (Jarvis-Walker), STS-61E (Astro-1), STS-42 (Carter), Shuttle-Mir (Lawrence), STS-88 (without Krikalev), STS-101, STS-113 (Loria-Thomas), Expedition 6 (Thomas), STS-114 (Expedition 6/7), Expedition 7 (three man). I do not know if they were made but will also list pre-Columbia STS-116 and STS-117, as well as the six-person STS-121. |
Ben
Member Posts: 1947
From: United States
Registered: May 2000
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posted 03-30-2006 10:37 PM
Let's get this down, in list format, for reference. - STS-51E/STS-51D (41F is a 'tab removal' type)
- STS-51D/STS-51G
- STS-42
- STS-88
- STS-101
- STS-113
- STS-114
- ISS Expedition 6
- ISS Expedition 7 Moshenko
- ISS Expedition 7 Kaleri
There were no A-B Emblem patches beyond STS-115 before Columbia was lost. And for cancelled missions: STS-61E. Is that it? |
Robert Pearlman
Editor Posts: 55144
From: Houston, TX
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 03-30-2006 11:48 PM
There were A-B Emblem-produced STS-121 patches without Thomas Reiter's name but they were reportedly only released to the crew.There are also unconfirmed reports of Reiter appearing on A-B ISS Expedition 11 and 12 patches. And the current Expedition 13 patches without Reiter will technically fall into this category once replaced with the three crew member version. |
OV-105
Member Posts: 932
From: Ridgecrest, CA
Registered: Sep 2000
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posted 03-31-2006 12:57 AM
The STS-41F patch is larger and slight color change from the STS-51D. |
Harald Kraenzel
Member Posts: 325
From: Dinslaken,Germany
Registered: Nov 2005
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posted 03-31-2006 10:02 AM
I wrote A-B, sending them pictures of the two STS-85 patch versions, and asking them whether they made an Ashby patch. Here is the answer: Often there are crew changes and names are replaced. Since we are the official contractor for NASA, we make preliminary versions and sometimes go into production before the crew change. So yes, we made both, but only stock the official one at this time. |
Ben
Member Posts: 1947
From: United States
Registered: May 2000
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posted 03-31-2006 10:19 AM
It's nice of them to respond, but it doesn't sound like they know for sure. How long before flight did Ashby step down, does anyone remember? Are there any photos showing them wearing the patch with Ashby? |
Tom
Member Posts: 1783
From: New York
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 03-31-2006 02:44 PM
The first NASA STS-85 shuttle status report to list Rominger as a replacement for Ashby was dated March 21, 1997. |
nitro
Member Posts: 43
From: Kathleen, GA USA
Registered: Mar 2006
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posted 03-31-2006 08:58 PM
The announcement came just a few days earlier on March 18, 1997. Astronaut Jeffrey S. Ashby (Cmdr., USN), has been replaced as pilot for the STS-85 crew by astronaut Kent Rominger (Cmdr., USN), a two-time Shuttle pilot. |
Ben
Member Posts: 1947
From: United States
Registered: May 2000
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posted 03-31-2006 09:07 PM
Looks like July 17 was the original STS-85 launch date, so whether they had their patches to look at yet is not a sure thing, but likely I would guess. quote:
Originally posted by Ben:
ISS Expedition 6
I own Expedition 6 patches with Don Thomas' name in their original A-B Emblem package. They had stacks of them at the Kennedy Space Center Visitor Complex space shop even a year after the launch.You can tell the A-B version for Expedition 6 most easily as the ISS is in gold thread. quote:
Originally posted by Ben:
STS-51D/STS-51G
I was just watching the STS-51D crew presentation from post flight. They start off like all the rest showing their patch, and commander Bobko says, showing the art before the video begins: Of course here is our patch. it was the fourth try at a patch since our mission had been changed so many times. This does not mean there are four cloth versions but does imply four patch designs were made. I have only seen three... does anyone know what the fourth might be? |
Jacques van Oene
Member Posts: 908
From: Houten, The Netherlands
Registered: Oct 2001
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posted 04-07-2006 05:01 AM
- STS-41E/F
- STS-51E (Baudry tab)
- STS-51E (Baudry - Garn tab)
- STS-51D (Walker Garn tab) Final version
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Ben
Member Posts: 1947
From: United States
Registered: May 2000
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posted 04-07-2006 07:04 AM
Thanks Jacques, are there AB versions with just Baudry? I have not seen any that I can recall. |
Jacques van Oene
Member Posts: 908
From: Houten, The Netherlands
Registered: Oct 2001
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posted 04-07-2006 05:15 PM
As far as I know, only the crew got the Baudry tab version, and up to this day I have never seen any up for sale, and that includes replicas. |
OV-105
Member Posts: 932
From: Ridgecrest, CA
Registered: Sep 2000
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posted 04-07-2006 06:24 PM
I have the 3-inch Baudry and the decal but have never seen the 4-inch. |
spaced out
Member Posts: 3221
From: Paris, France
Registered: Aug 2003
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posted 06-22-2006 03:53 AM
Can anyone tell me what is the relative scarcity of these unflown patches? - STS-42 Carter
- STS-51D Jarvis-Walker
- STS-51E Baudry-Garn A-B first generation (dark blue edging)
- STS-51E Baudry-Garn A-B second generation (light blue edging)
- STS-61E
- STS-63 Ford
- STS-85 Ashby
- STS-88 no Krikalev
- STS-101 Lu
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OV-105
Member Posts: 932
From: Ridgecrest, CA
Registered: Sep 2000
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posted 06-23-2006 05:27 PM
One thing to remember about STS-51E and STS-101 is that they were canceled within weeks of their launches so they had already been made in mass. |
Bill Hunt
Member Posts: 406
From: Irvine, CA
Registered: Oct 2002
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posted 06-28-2006 07:02 PM
What is the complete and up-to-date listing of these cancelled mission patches? Is there a "latest" version of the list? Has anyone done an online guide with pictures of all the ones that are known to exist? |
hoorenz
Member Posts: 1051
From: The Netherlands
Registered: Jan 2003
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posted 06-29-2006 05:07 PM
There are two different versions of the STS-42 patch with Sonny Carter's name. There is an evaluation version, using the same type of cloud pattern found earlier on the STS-32 patch, a blue Spacelab, a smaller orbiter and "IML-I" instead of "IML-1." This evaluation version was made into a finalized design before Sonny Carter died. The only change made for the final patch (except Hilmers' name and the bright yellow star) is the color of the ESA logo in Merbold's name. |
spaceman
Member Posts: 1192
From: Walsall, West Midlands, UK
Registered: Dec 2002
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posted 08-25-2009 06:21 PM
Does anyone know anything about this patch? It is based on STS-101 with different crew names. Was there ever such a possible crew configuration? |
OV-105
Member Posts: 932
From: Ridgecrest, CA
Registered: Sep 2000
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posted 08-25-2009 08:30 PM
That is the original STS-101 crew patch. When Zarya's launched got delayed part of the STS-101 crew was changed and the STS-106 mission was added. |
Apollo-Soyuz
Member Posts: 1337
From: Shady Side, Md
Registered: Sep 2004
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posted 08-26-2009 05:25 AM
I believe it was Zvezda launch that was delayed and was eventually launched on July 12, 2000. |
Jacques van Oene
Member Posts: 908
From: Houten, The Netherlands
Registered: Oct 2001
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posted 08-26-2009 08:32 AM
quote:
Originally posted by spaced out:
Can anyone tell me what is the relative scarcity of these unflown patches? STS-61E
Jon McBride told me last November that 200 STS-61E patches were made... |
dogcrew5369
Member Posts: 761
From: Statesville, NC
Registered: Mar 2009
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posted 02-26-2010 01:12 AM
The STS-118 patch with Clay Anderson's name was also produced and sold by A-B Emblem before being changed to Alvin Drew prior to the flight. |
J Blackburn
Member Posts: 313
From: Riner
Registered: Sep 2011
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posted 03-20-2012 02:58 PM
Besides STS-133, 118, 117, 113, 106, 88, 51G and 51D, did A-B Emblem produce a patch for both the incorrect and correct crew? Did AB Emblem produce patches without tabs for missions STS-51C, 51F, 51J, 61A, 61B, and 51L?Thanks for your help, my curiosity is up after reading all of these posts. |
hoorenz
Member Posts: 1051
From: The Netherlands
Registered: Jan 2003
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posted 03-20-2012 04:03 PM
STS-86. The David Wolf tab was produced and sent separately from the main patch."STS-61B" was produced as a patch without tab — at the time that the flight was still called 61D (and later 51I). |
p51
Member Posts: 1793
From: Olympia, WA
Registered: Sep 2011
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posted 03-20-2012 05:13 PM
What about patches from STS-133 with Tim Kopra before he was replaced by Stephen Bowen? |
spaceman
Member Posts: 1192
From: Walsall, West Midlands, UK
Registered: Dec 2002
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posted 03-21-2012 04:57 PM
AB Emblem produced both versions of STS-133 but only the Bowen version is now featured on their site. |
mach3valkyrie
Member Posts: 769
From: Albany, Oregon
Registered: Jul 2006
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posted 03-21-2012 09:13 PM
What about patches for STS-61F and 61G? The crews were assigned and photos taken with the patch design included. They were going to use Shuttle/Centaur to boost Ulysses and Galileo. Both missions were cancelled after Challenger. |
mama04
Member Posts: 152
From: Haarlem, N-H, Netherlands
Registered: Sep 2010
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posted 03-22-2012 06:32 AM
There were no official 61F or 61G made patches. |
Hart Sastrowardoyo
Member Posts: 3473
From: Toms River, NJ
Registered: Aug 2000
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posted 03-27-2012 02:43 PM
I always wondered the relationship between when a patch is created and approved versus when the crew is announced (or more likely, when the crew photo is taken), especially in the mid-1980s when shuttle flights were coming in rapid succession and crews were changing just as fast.For example, at the time of Challenger, the artwork for 61E through G were approved, yet 61H and 62A were not — and both of the latter had been in training for about a year and payload specialists had been assigned. |
Jay Chladek
Member Posts: 2272
From: Bellevue, NE, USA
Registered: Aug 2007
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posted 03-27-2012 04:15 PM
quote:
Originally posted by dogcrew5369:
The STS-118 patch with Clay Anderson's name...
The same thing would likely apply to STS-117 patches that do not have the "Anderson" tab added to the bottom of them. |
Robert Pearlman
Editor Posts: 55144
From: Houston, TX
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 03-27-2012 11:59 PM
The tab-less STS-117 patch was available from A-B Emblem (and its retailers) beginning in September 2006. The decision to change the crew was made seven months later in April 2007 (and then it was another couple of months before the revised patch began shipping). A-B Emblem's STS-118 "Anderson" patch was first seen in December 2006. It was for sale and available to collectors beginning in January 2007. The crew change (as above) came in April, and the revised patch went for sale in July. |
Gonzo
Member Posts: 599
From: Holland, MI, USA
Registered: Mar 2012
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posted 02-07-2013 05:04 AM
quote:
Originally posted by spaceman:
It is based on STS-101 with different crew names.
There appears to be five variations of this patch:Original crew patches without 101: - Type 1 - 3"x4.25", bars instead of zig-zag, no protruding wing
- Type 2 - 3.5" x 4.75", zig-zag, no protruding wing
- Type 3 - zig-zag, very similar to Type 1, but with the protruding wing
Flown crew patches with 101: - Type 4 - 3" x 4.25, zig-zag, protruding wing
- Type 5 - 3.5" x 4.75", zig-zag, protruding wing
 All are from A-B Emblem, have cut edges (not selvedged) and plastic backs. Depending on when it was made, it may or may not have an AB sticker on the back. |
Cascader
Member Posts: 62
From: London, England, UK
Registered: Oct 2010
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posted 02-09-2013 12:02 PM
People might want to check measurements of their 101 patches as I have checked my two. I have an original crew, protruding wing version which measures 4.75x3.5" and a 101 flown crew protruding wing version which measures 4.75x3.25". Both of these are AB patches bought from Stewart Aviation at time of mission. |
SpaceFerris
Member Posts: 72
From: Thornville, OH
Registered: Mar 2015
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posted 08-28-2025 09:31 AM
A-B Emblem offers an STS-61F patch. It appears to have different colors than the others offered so far. |
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