Posts: 211 From: Next to LEM, Descartes Highlands, Moon Registered: Jan 2017
posted 06-27-2020 05:15 AM
Apollo 16 Rover Traverse to Station 4. Interpolated from 12fps to 60:
oly Member
Posts: 1185 From: Perth, Western Australia Registered: Apr 2015
posted 06-27-2020 06:36 AM
Thank you for doing this amazing work, this clip has some amazing details.
David C Member
Posts: 1251 From: Lausanne Registered: Apr 2012
posted 06-27-2020 09:22 AM
Beautiful work.
Blackarrow Member
Posts: 3280 From: Belfast, United Kingdom Registered: Feb 2002
posted 06-27-2020 09:55 AM
I hope, someday soon, these amazing HD videos are gathered together on a Bluray or 4K disc. I'll certainly buy a couple of copies!
apollo16uvc Member
Posts: 211 From: Next to LEM, Descartes Highlands, Moon Registered: Jan 2017
posted 07-01-2020 07:39 AM
Apollo 16 Rover Traverse to Station 10. Interpolated from 12fps to 60:
mode1charlie Member
Posts: 1241 From: Honolulu, HI Registered: Sep 2010
posted 07-01-2020 02:41 PM
Amazing! Thank you for this, and I second the motion to gather all this interpolated video onto a DVD.
apollo16uvc Member
Posts: 211 From: Next to LEM, Descartes Highlands, Moon Registered: Jan 2017
posted 07-01-2020 03:03 PM
I am glad people appreciate these efforts.
As for selling hard copies, I don't know, I'm just one guy with zero experience in getting something published. There is no way I can reach the standard of something like Spacecraft Films or something like that.
I'm currently working on more Apollo 16 footage, and am really breaking my head over this mag.
Apollo 16 rover traverse to Station 13. Transcript and audio source.
From what I read online, this part was recorded at 6fps, here it is interpolated to 24fps:
And here is the problem: the footage doesn't match with the audio at all. Driving down a slope, panning the camera, climbing a slope, turning off the camera. I tried speeding it up, slowing down, making cuts. But nothing makes sense...
Here is the entire mag interpolated to 24fps:
Ignore the part where is shows an Apollo 17 test chart, many mags got the wrong test charts, this film is indeed from Apollo 16.
Am I missing something here? If somebody could shed light on this, and what the other scenes in the mag belong to.
Dietrich Member
Posts: 74 From: Registered: Jul 2009
posted 07-01-2020 03:59 PM
quote:Originally posted by apollo16uvc: From what I read online, this part was recorded at 6fps...
The "Apollo 16 Index of 70 mm Photographs and 16 mm Film Strips," MSC-07252, page 20 states that it was shot with 12 fps. The description is "LRV traverse Sta. 11 to Sta. 13. Camera is pointed to left and then along direction of traverse."
It should be kept in mind that the DAC was mounted fixed to the rover. So if the rover goes downhill, a flat horizon would appear in the film taken by the inclined camera to go upwards. Right?
Comparison can be made to the still photos taken along the ride as indicated in the ALSJ, AS16-106-17358 to -17385. Do those fit to the DAC views?
apollo16uvc Member
Posts: 211 From: Next to LEM, Descartes Highlands, Moon Registered: Jan 2017
posted 07-08-2020 03:09 AM
Thanks Dietrich, I think that document cleared it up for me... appears to match audio much better now.
Apollo 16 traverse to Station 13:
apollo16uvc Member
Posts: 211 From: Next to LEM, Descartes Highlands, Moon Registered: Jan 2017
posted 07-08-2020 02:27 PM
Currently interpolating the Apollo 11 docking as recorded from the CM. Working from a 1440x1080 source downscaled to 1280x960 because I can't interpolate at a higher resolution with 8GB of video memory.
Interpolating 5555 frames from 6 to 24fps will take around 12 hours.
Then there is also the same sequence recorded from inside the LM, don't know how many frames that one is.
But I have looked at some previews... its going to be absolutely stunning!
Does anybody know if this docking was also broadcasted on TV?
Having 4 perspectives (16mm from LM & CM, 70mm hasselblad and TV) would be really something else.
olympusmonsuk Member
Posts: 22 From: Billericay, Essex, England Registered: May 2011
posted 07-09-2020 06:03 AM
As the final braking phase and most of the station keeping were carried out on the far side just prior to AOS, no TV transmission was possible.
Your videos are superb and really bring the material to life. Thanks for all of you efforts.
apollo16uvc Member
Posts: 211 From: Next to LEM, Descartes Highlands, Moon Registered: Jan 2017
posted 07-15-2020 04:34 AM
Apollo 11 in 24fps: LM & CM Rendezvous:
Your renders puts viewers in the moment in a way the low frame-rate originals could not. Excellent.
apollo16uvc Member
Posts: 211 From: Next to LEM, Descartes Highlands, Moon Registered: Jan 2017
posted 07-19-2020 02:05 PM
Yes David! I am very happy so many people are enjoying my content.
I am working on acquiring the latest 1080p scans as production-quality files so I can provide an even higher resolution experience.
Apollo 15 in 60fps: Rover Traverse To Station 4
apollo16uvc Member
Posts: 211 From: Next to LEM, Descartes Highlands, Moon Registered: Jan 2017
posted 07-20-2020 02:22 PM
I have looked at the highest-quality Apollo 16mm scans, and the entire archive is 30Tb, 1440x1080 ProRes444 scans.
Unfortunately the archivist said it is a nonstarter because it doesn't look like I will have the required budget. As they normally sell to docs, studios and TV programs.
I'll see if I can buy maybe a few mags every once in a while. This would mean lower production rate, but orders of magnitude higher quality.
apollo16uvc Member
Posts: 211 From: Next to LEM, Descartes Highlands, Moon Registered: Jan 2017
posted 07-29-2020 05:33 AM
Apollo 11 ascent interpolated from 6/12 to 60fps. With Dutch broadcasts from Tivoli Observatory audio tapes, digitised by, you guessed it...
apollo16uvc Member
Posts: 211 From: Next to LEM, Descartes Highlands, Moon Registered: Jan 2017
posted 08-05-2020 03:36 PM
Apollo 16: Grand Prix
apollo16uvc Member
Posts: 211 From: Next to LEM, Descartes Highlands, Moon Registered: Jan 2017
posted 08-26-2020 03:31 PM
Apollo 9 in 24fps: Earth Orbital EVA:
perineau Member
Posts: 297 From: FRANCE Registered: Jul 2007
posted 08-30-2020 09:26 AM
Stunning work!
Buel Member
Posts: 757 From: UK Registered: Mar 2012
posted 08-31-2020 02:51 AM
This really fantastic work and I thank you on behalf of all of us.
apollo16uvc Member
Posts: 211 From: Next to LEM, Descartes Highlands, Moon Registered: Jan 2017
posted 09-05-2020 09:44 AM
Apollo 12 in 24fps: Lunar Module docking with CM
RobertB Member
Posts: 217 From: Israel Registered: Nov 2012
posted 09-07-2020 11:20 AM
This is great stuff!
In the Apollo 9 video, around the 2:57 mark, the samples are really flitting about — I suppose this is somewhere where the AI couldn't compensate?
apollo16uvc Member
Posts: 211 From: Next to LEM, Descartes Highlands, Moon Registered: Jan 2017
posted 09-17-2020 01:06 PM
Yes, if the difference of something between two frames is too great the algorithm doesn't know what to do. At that point it stops preserving details and even rough shapes. It then just makes strange blobs approximately in the middle.
Good thing that in spacewalks, few things move quickly.
Starting work on HQ 1080p scans of Gemini 4 spacewalk. Will take approximately three days of uninterrupted rendering for both cameras.
I did run some tests, going from 6 to 24fps. It is going to be otherworldly.
Buel Member
Posts: 757 From: UK Registered: Mar 2012
posted 09-19-2020 03:15 AM
quote:Originally posted by apollo16uvc: I've also decided to create a Patreon Page for those who want to help out.
Have you had much help via your Patreon page?
apollo16uvc Member
Posts: 211 From: Next to LEM, Descartes Highlands, Moon Registered: Jan 2017
posted 10-03-2020 03:56 AM
For sure! It allows me to pay for things like more Google Drive space for storage and sharing of material between patrons and content creators.
The rest is put in smaller things from eBay, such as the narrated slide series and 16mm films, many of which should get scanned soon.
I also want to get into digitizing all the quaint NASA-related VHS tapes that were released over the decades. But I need an NTSC VCR for that, and I live in Pal territory.
apollo16uvc Member
Posts: 211 From: Next to LEM, Descartes Highlands, Moon Registered: Jan 2017
posted 10-03-2020 04:00 AM
Gemini 4 EVA in 24fps:
Colin Anderton Member
Posts: 211 From: Great Britain Registered: Jan 2005
posted 10-03-2020 05:55 AM
Unbelievable!!! I thought I'd done a good job on this Gemini 4 footage a few years ago, but your work leaves mine standing.
Amazing job!
Panther494 Member
Posts: 494 From: London UK Registered: Jan 2013
posted 10-03-2020 06:38 AM
This is just beautiful. Great work, thank you for doing these.
Would it be feasible to get a series of Blu-rays containing all these and future releases?
apollo16uvc Member
Posts: 211 From: Next to LEM, Descartes Highlands, Moon Registered: Jan 2017
posted 10-03-2020 04:35 PM
That would be amazing.
Spaceflight enthusiasts have been stuck with DVDs and other archaic, low fidelity mediums for too long. Of course there are tons of beautiful documentaries and movies that use high quality scans with the latest technology and resolutions. But...
There is a market for this kind of footage without dramatic music, interviews and quick, action-packed transitions. Just the complete footage and audio played in real-time, so the viewer can take everything in at their own leisure.
If you really think my processing is worthy of a serious Blu-ray release, I thank you. I am glad you think my humble YouTube releases are of such quality.
I wouldn't know where to start with that though. I have to find a company and publisher that is willing to turn my processed footage into a functional Blu-ray release. I haven't got any experience at all with anything like this.
Blackarrow Member
Posts: 3280 From: Belfast, United Kingdom Registered: Feb 2002
posted 10-03-2020 04:54 PM
I also made this point several months ago and repeat it now.
If you produce a Blu-ray, I will buy it!
Mike Dixon Member
Posts: 1533 From: Kew, Victoria, Australia Registered: May 2003
posted 10-03-2020 06:47 PM
So would I, they're way beyond good.
Buel Member
Posts: 757 From: UK Registered: Mar 2012
posted 10-04-2020 01:33 AM
Could you not just release it all as a digital download? There’s no need for the physical disc, I believe?
1202 Alarm Member
Posts: 462 From: Switzerland & France Registered: Nov 2003
posted 10-04-2020 03:58 AM
It's already there. Just download (there are plenty of programs, like Jdownloader) at the highest rate to keep these treasures on external drives forever. On a 55" screen, it's sharp and puts my collection of Spacecraft Films' DVDs to shame.
For instance, "Gemini 4 in 24fps 4K_ First American EVA" is coming out as a 1440p, 24fps_VP9 LQ-128kbit AAC mkv. Which is perfect.
Of course, it's for my personal use, and if it comes out as proper Blu-rays, I will be delighted to buy them.
Buel Member
Posts: 757 From: UK Registered: Mar 2012
posted 10-04-2020 04:13 AM
So if that's the case, why would you buy it in Blu-ray?
Also, regarding downloading, YouTube reduces the quality somewhat, I believe? This is why I proposed a dedicated download site. Perhaps with the option to financially contribute if one wished?
1202 Alarm Member
Posts: 462 From: Switzerland & France Registered: Nov 2003
posted 10-04-2020 04:23 AM
Because buying the Blu-ray will support the huge work done by our friend, plus I'm sure it will contain more stuff than available online, also because even if I backup my drives, a Blu-ray will act as a cheap and safe medium for long storage.
YouTube gives what it gets, and regarding these files, their quality at 1440p is already outstanding, like I said on a 55" 4K screen I have a lot more details than my DVDs from Mark Gray.
Buel Member
Posts: 757 From: UK Registered: Mar 2012
posted 10-04-2020 05:01 AM
I see. However, the cost of the physical Blu-ray itself, packaging, etc., would eat into any profit that this guy deserves. A digital download site with a lower cost would benefit everyone.
Re "cheap and safe medium," physical discs degrade and cost (although dirt cheap), online backups don't and are free. Hard drives even better. Extras could be easily included on the download.
Perhaps it's just me but I see no benefit of a physical disc over digital.
1202 Alarm Member
Posts: 462 From: Switzerland & France Registered: Nov 2003
posted 10-04-2020 05:46 AM
You are right on every point. That's why I download every file available, like I said in my first post.
Your question was "why would you buy on top of that a Blu-ray?" and my answer was for that specific question. For all the reasons you mentioned, I also prefer hard drives.
Colin Anderton Member
Posts: 211 From: Great Britain Registered: Jan 2005
posted 10-04-2020 09:31 AM
Hard drives can fail without warning. I write from personal experience; it happened to me about a year ago. Fortunately, everything was backed up, and I didn't lose anything.
I always feel DVDs are a good backup, especially as they are not affected by magnetic forces.
People often say they're unreliable, but I can honestly say I have never had a single failure. I have always used Taiyo-Yuden discs, and would strongly recommend them. (I have absolutely no connection to the manufacturer.)
Buel Member
Posts: 757 From: UK Registered: Mar 2012
posted 10-04-2020 10:53 AM
Good point on the need for quality DVDs.
Regarding backing up, I'm so impressed with the fact that you did this. There's a saying in the computer world, any data you haven't backed up five times is data you don't want. Might sound excessive but I like that phrase (Don Arabian would have had a field day on the redundancy issue there, LOL.)
perineau Member
Posts: 297 From: FRANCE Registered: Jul 2007
posted 10-04-2020 12:28 PM
Fantastic work on the Gemini 4 EVA. Any chance of working with the film of the Gemini 9A EVA?
posted 06-27-2020 05:15 AM
Just download (there are plenty of programs, like Jdownloader) at the highest rate to keep these treasures on external drives forever. On a 55" screen, it's sharp and puts my collection of Spacecraft Films' DVDs to shame.
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