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Robert Pearlman
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posted July 24, 2008 11:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The product of a partnership ("NASA to go 'Wayback' with space imagery") between NASA and the Internet Archive is now online.
NASA Images is a service of Internet Archive, a non-profit library, to offer public access to NASA's images, videos and audio collections. NASA Images is constantly growing with the addition of current media from NASA as well as newly digitized media from the archives of the NASA Centers.

The goal of NASA Images is to increase our understanding of the earth, our solar system and the universe beyond in order to benefit humanity.

To Come:

  • Continuous updating of the media collections. Custom prints of the images with NASAImages.org.

  • Space and science-related books and other merchandise through affiliate relationships.

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Robert Pearlman
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posted July 24, 2008 12:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
NASA release
NASA and Internet Archive Launch Centralized Resource for Images

NASA and Internet Archive, a non-profit digital library based in San Francisco, made available the most comprehensive compilation ever of NASA's vast collection of photographs, historic film and video Thursday. Located at nasaimages.org, the Internet site combines for the first time 21 major NASA imagery collections into a single, searchable online resource. A link to the Web site will appear on the NASA home page.

The Web site launch is the first step in a five-year partnership that will add millions of images and thousands of hours of video and audio content, with enhanced search and viewing capabilities, and new user features on a continuing basis. Over time, integration of nasaimages.org with nasa.gov will become more seamless and comprehensive.

"This partnership with Internet Archive enables NASA to provide the American public with access to its vast collection of imagery from one searchable source, unlocking a new treasure trove of discoveries for students, historians, enthusiasts and researchers," said NASA Deputy Administrator Shana Dale. "This new resource also will enable the agency to digitize and preserve historical content now not available on the Internet for future generations."

Through a competitive process, NASA selected Internet Archive to manage the NASA Images Web site under a non-exclusive Space Act agreement, signed in July 2007. The five-year project is at no cost to the taxpayer and the images are free to the public.

"NASA's media is an incredibly important and valuable national asset. It is a tremendous honor for the Internet Archive to be NASA's partner in this project," says Brewster Kahle, founder of Internet Archive. "We are excited to mark this first step in a long-term collaboration to create a rich and growing public resource."

The content of the Web site covers all the diverse activities of America's space program, including imagery from the Apollo moon missions, Hubble Space Telescope views of the universe and experimental aircraft past and present. Keyword searching is available with easy-to-use resources for teachers and students.

Internet Archive is developing the NASA Images project using software donated by Luna Imaging Inc. of Los Angeles and with the generous support of the Kahle-Austin Foundation of San Francisco.

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Philip
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posted July 24, 2008 12:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Philip   Click Here to Email Philip     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Of course (?) this collection is missing the good color photos of the Voyager and Pioneer spacecraft. There's still a lot of work to be done!

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Grungy
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posted July 24, 2008 10:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Grungy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Found an error in the first five minutes. That's Bill Lenoir, not Joe Allen.

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posted July 25, 2008 12:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for cspg   Click Here to Email cspg     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ed won't be "out of business" then with his Photo of the Week thread?

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heng44
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posted July 25, 2008 11:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for heng44   Click Here to Email heng44     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
From what I have seen so far (the site doesn't work too well on my computer) there are only the familiar NASA photos from the internet, the only advantage being that they can all be seen on one site. Even those irritating lo-res JSC scans are there. You'd wish they would throw these out and replace them by proper scans.
I have yet to be impressed...

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Robert Pearlman
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posted July 25, 2008 12:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I see the potential in this project, but I question NASA's and Internet Archive's decision to announce it now.

First and foremost, if indeed this is going to be seamlessly integrated into NASA.gov (as the press release promotes), NASAImages.org needs to be hosted on a better (set of) server(s). Perhaps NASA should reach out to another of its partners -- Google -- and ask for their assistance. The current site is slow to load and slow to respond, giving it a very clunky feeling.

They also need to reexamine the interface and its default settings. NASA's first attempt at a centralized database, the NASA Image eXchange (NIX) isn't by anyway perfect but it gets one thing right: the first few needs to maximize the number of images on the screen without scrolling so that the desired photo can be found quickly. NASAImages.org loads photos far too large on the first swipe, and while the user can choose a small thumbnail and tighter grid, these should really be the default.

They also need to either better define or install some type of rank or weight system. As it is now, the results seem to be very random -- and if there is a system defining order, it should be more obvious.

The root problem still exists that all NASAImages.org is doing is pulling results from different databases. For NASA to truly unify its various imagery archives, the photos need to be unified under one source and cataloged uniformly. The virtual approach is a good start but its not a final solution.

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Henk Boshuijer
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posted July 25, 2008 03:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Henk Boshuijer   Click Here to Email Henk Boshuijer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by heng44:
Even those irritating lo-res JSC scans are there. You'd wish they would throw these out and replace them by proper scans.
NASA must have HiRes scans of these pictures somewhere... replacing the LowRes pics with HiRes pics however must be a very big job...

I think it would be better when the thumbnail ALT- text mentions the resolution of the original sized picture. Now I have to download the zipfile first - unzip it - and then find out the resolution is not good enough for printing.

I would use the photo numbers/code as filenames as well.

I did find some nice pictures though...

Henk Boshuijer

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Robert Pearlman
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posted July 25, 2008 05:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Henk Boshuijer:
NASA must have HiRes scans of these pictures somewhere...
Experience suggests otherwise; when a higher resolution version of a particular photo is needed, NASA must rescan the negative (or print) to provide it. The JSC Images archive was created at a time when server space and bandwidth was still considered a premium and thus only low resolution (640x480) scans were saved.

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Grungy
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posted July 26, 2008 09:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Grungy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Think about how big a project this is. How many images in their archives? Millions?

How much money can they afford to throw at this? Unless they can get volunteers to do the manual labor...

NASA shouldn't have a problem with disc space, but devoting the man-hours to this might be an issue.

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Henk Boshuijer
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posted July 26, 2008 04:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Henk Boshuijer   Click Here to Email Henk Boshuijer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've been reading the cS article from August 23, 2007. The website we can see now is only the first stage of a project that takes five years to complete.

This is what the article says:

"In the first year under the five year agreement, Internet Archive will consolidate NASA's major online imagery collections. In the second year, digital imagery will be added to the archive. In the third year, NASA and Internet Archive will identify analog imagery to be digitized and added to their online collection."
So in the third year of this project we will see all the LowRes images being replaced with HiRes images (plus a new selection of analog pictures will be added that have never been digitized before)?

If NASA and Internet Archive manage to follow this timeline we will have a great online picture database three years from now...

I can see their website is not perfect yet at this moment... but I appreciate their efforts.

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heng44
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posted July 27, 2008 12:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for heng44   Click Here to Email heng44     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Grungy:
Unless they can get volunteers to do the manual labor...

NASA shouldn't have a problem with disc space, but devoting the man-hours to this might be an issue.


As someone who spends a great deal of his time scanning old NASA prints (as does my friend J.L.) I think NASA should hire us and they could lean back and add our scans to the database...

But of course I hope in the near future they will add photos that even J.L. and I don't have.

Ed

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