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Blackarrow
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posted April 02, 2006 11:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Blackarrow     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It is well known that the BBC infamously wiped their video tapes of the coverage of the Apollo 11 Moon landing and the EVA. However, has anyone ever carried out any research to establish the availability of other BBC video coverage of Apollo missions? Is there any coverage of Apollo 8? The Apollo 11 launch or splashdown? Apollos 12 to 17 inclusive?

Apollo aficionados have been spoilt in recent years by the availability of Spacecraftfilms' Apollo sets, but for those of us who spent long hours during our youth crouched in front of the TV watching Patrick Moore and James Burke presenting coverage of the Apollo missions, there would be a real nostalgic interest in getting hold of even a representative sample of those transmissions on DVD, if they still exist.

If no search of the BBC archives has been made, could I prevail upon any of you living in the London area to get together, make some enquiries, and seek permission to search the BBC archives for surviving video? I think it would be an enormously rewarding experience even if draws a blank.

Mark Gray has shown that dedication and determination can find what was once thought lost forever. There must be a market for a DVD or DVD set of BBC Apollo recordings if the old video still exists. Please let's hear from those of you who would be prepared to make some enquiries!

paulj
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posted April 02, 2006 02:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for paulj   Click Here to Email paulj     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Has some of the BBC footage been recovered ?

I recorded a two-hour program shown on BBC4 a few weeks back called 'moon-night'. Screened at 2am in the Morning.

There was a few sections with James Burke, wearing the space suit, climbing into the cm, and on the zerog flight. Other footage shows the launch, flight transmissions, lunar landing, and eva.

First time I had seen most of this footage, excellent programme. Particulary about the space suit, where Burke took off and described all the different components and layers.

The source of the footage looked like video tape, fairly good quality too. Just wondering if this was source from BBC footage, or edited from other source.

Regards,
Paul.

Naraht
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posted April 02, 2006 04:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Naraht   Click Here to Email Naraht     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
While in the NASA HQ archives a couple of years ago, I found the transcript of an excellent interview that James Burke did with Steve Bales back in 1979. (Obviously for the 10th anniversary of Apollo 11.) I would dearly love to find out whether the tape still exists, as it's the best interview with Steve Bales that I've seen.

Dwight
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posted April 02, 2006 06:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dwight   Click Here to Email Dwight     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://www.missing-episodes.com/

has a forum thread with discussion on the missing tapes. The BBC4 doco you watched is all that is remains and could be reconstructed of the footage.

Paul V. (the BBC4 producer) is currently actively involved with searching for missing material, although the possible hiding places are became more and more scarce.

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Blackarrow
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posted April 03, 2006 04:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Blackarrow     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Naraht,
I remember the BBC's Apollo 11 10th anniversary programme. It was excellent, but unfortunately it was transmitted five months before I first rented a VCR (yes, rented: nobody bought them in those days. They cost the eqivalent of around £5,000 at today's prices!)

Colin Anderton
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posted April 05, 2006 10:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Colin Anderton   Click Here to Email Colin Anderton     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Fortunately, I did own high-quality reel-to-reel audio tape machines in those days, and have transferred this to CD. The programme was actually in two parts, the first called "The Men Who Walked On The Moon", (about 1hr 15min long), and the second part called "The Other Side Of The Moon" (about 1hr).
James Burke gave - as always - an excellent narration to the programmes. He was miles ahead of any - and I do mean ANY - other commentator, British or US.
Fortunately, I have been able to get BBC audio from the TV broadcasts from Apollo 11 to Apollo 17 (the last two I recorded myself). I've also got a couple of pieces of BBC Apollo 8 coverage.
When I mentioned these recordings a few years back in an email to the BBC, they seemed rather aggressive in their insistence that they are BBC copyright, so I didn't proceed in dealing with them any further.

I consider those tapes MINE. They didn't have the foresight to preserve them, so that's their problem.

Colin.

dave
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posted April 05, 2006 04:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dave   Click Here to Email dave     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have many audio cassette recordings of Apollo 15,16 17,Skylab 1-4 and Apollo-Soyuz all taken from BBC TV and Radio and ITN coverage,these incl hours and hours of live coverage and just about every news report there was,esp the R2 stuff with Arthur Garrett and Reg Turnill who carried live reports of just about every event(not only launches but LOI's and Un-Dockings etc etc )
Radio Two's "Nightride" shows during the 3 Apollo 17 EVA's had live up-dates between records and carried some VOA coverage as well(by then BBC and ITN had gone off the air by about 1am and showed highlight shows the next morning)
It was a fabulous time and these recordings mean a great deal to me 40 + years later!

I can remember it all in great detail,James Burke and his ITN counterpart Peter Fairly were masters of their game and knew those "Moonships" (as Fairly loved to call them) inside out

The final BBC 1 Apollo 17 broadcast on Dec 19 1972 carried 50 minutes of live Splashdown coverage at seven PM on a tuesday evening!! no Eastenders in those days guys!!!
I listened to that recording last year and was pleased to hear that it included Apollo Mission Control Houston 'signing off' the entire programme with the crew safely aboard the carrier

great days,great coverage

Dave

Dwight
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posted April 05, 2006 06:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dwight   Click Here to Email Dwight     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Guys,

Please go to the website I listed and talk directly to Paul. He fully understands where you are coming from and will forgo any beauracratic red tape from BBC boofheads. If you get wierd vibes...just say the tapes were wiped. If BBC want to be prats...

Honestly though, I uncovered some audio tapes my Dad made of A11. The ABC (Australian Broadcasting Commission) now has them as their official archive, as they were the most complete existing recording. Thankfully now, the archive personel are a bit more clued into the fact that us folk have preserved a segment of history the official sources were too stupid to do themselves.

Matt T
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posted April 05, 2006 06:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Matt T   Click Here to Email Matt T     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have several hours of Apollo coverage from American television (I forget which channel), all recorded on an 8mm film camera pointed at a TV screen. Haven't looked at them for a while but I remember some great stuff (like a trailer that showed an LRV zooming out of the dark and across an A15 logo).

Cheers,
Matt

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Naraht
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posted April 10, 2006 05:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Naraht   Click Here to Email Naraht     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Being a historian, I'm very glad to hear that some of these recordings have been preserved in private hands.

Colin--if you don't want to share your recordings with the BBC, might you be willing to make copies of your CD version of the documentary for some fellow spaceflight buffs who would dearly like to listen to it?

Blackarrow
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posted April 10, 2006 06:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Blackarrow     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by paulj:
I recorded a two-hour program shown on BBC4 a few weeks back called 'moon-night'. Screened at 2am in the Morning.
I missed it, but I'm hoping you could let me have a DVD copy. Could you E-mail me off-site? Thanks!

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C. Anderton
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posted April 30, 2006 01:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for C. Anderton   Click Here to Email C. Anderton     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Naraht - please email me at colin-anderton@hotmail.co.uk

Colin

Naraht
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posted May 01, 2006 12:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Naraht   Click Here to Email Naraht     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks--I've done so.

C. Anderton
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posted May 03, 2006 02:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for C. Anderton   Click Here to Email C. Anderton     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Naraht - Sorry, I'm having a problem opening my emails at the moment. I'm working on it - I'll send you a message ASAP.
Colin.

Naraht
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posted May 07, 2006 06:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Naraht   Click Here to Email Naraht     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There's quite a bit of info about BBC programming on their new Programme Catalogue, which has just gone live. You can search by programme category or for people who have appeared on television or radio.
http://open.bbc.co.uk/catalogue/infax/

For example, here is their information on the coverage of the Apollo 11 landing:

"MOON LANDING

A television programme
BBC Programme Number: D:LCA2413L
First broadcast on 1969-07-20
Media: VT
Next in series: 21 July 1969
Previous in series: 19 July 1969
See more APOLLO 11 programmes (10)

Description
(hide extra detail)
VT compilation of coverage of Apollo 11's lunar landing with additional material of Bernard LOVELL, Dr Charles BERRY & Virgil GRISSOM.

Virgil GRISSOM memorial(CBS News rept)July '61:var s Mercury 3(Redstone) rocket on pad, GRISSOM into capsule, launch Gemini 3, recovery GRISSOM & John YOUNG after splashdown(53.28-55.06)Jan '67: var s burnt-out Apollo 1 capsule (in which GRISSOM, Edward WHITE & Roger CHAFFEE died)(55.29-55.51)var s GRISSOM's state funeral with Pres JOHNSON(55.51-56.27) June '65: var s Edward WHITE's Gemini 4 spacewalk (1st American)(56.56-58.04) Sept '66: s Richard GORDON's Gemini 11 spacewalk (58.04-58.55) Nov '66: s Buzz ALDRIN's Gemini 12 sp/walk(58.55-59.19)March '69: s Russell SCHWEICKART's Apollo 9 sp/walk (try- ing out now lunar spacesuit) (59.19-59.38) var s Neil ARMSTRONG & Buzz ALDRIN in full spacesuits, practice collecting rock samples in training(59.38-60.05)

Moon landing - var s Italian commentator recording piece on Apollo 11 for Italian TV i/cut s fellow reporters around USA (0-8.58) S Mission Control, Houston during descent & landing of Lunar Module on the moon, Cap-Com sound thruout (9.34-19.55; 20.14-21.44; 22.06-38.57; 40.39-43.50) at 27.00 Neil ARMSTRONG repts 'The Eagle has landed' immediately after touchdown, at 37.07 Buzz ALDRIN describes the sight from the LM window. s simulation descent of LM (19.55-20.14) ms crowds in New York st wait for news of landing (21.44- 22.06) ms ext suburban house (belongs to 1 of Apollo 11 crew?) (38.57-43.39). Sir Bernard LOVELL - mls radio telescopes at Jodrell Bank (44.30-44.38)

Live pictures from the Command module shortly before the astronauts descended to the moon. Report by James BURKE and Patrick MOORE in the Apollo Space Studio and Michael CHARLTON at Houston Mission Control

INTVS: Dr Charles BERRY (ph), astronauts' doctor, re four hour rest period before moon walk (45.00-51.00); Sir Bernard LOVELL, re USSR probe Luna 15, in orbit round moon (38.00-45.00) (Note: The USSR later admitted that Luna 15 had been an unsuccessful attempt to obtain soil samples before the American lunar landing). ACTY: vs Mission Control, with acty sound of moon approach & landing (10.00-38.00); acty sound "The Eagle has landed" (22.00). Note: spool also includes Italian(?) & CBS rep .
VT compilation of coverage of Apollo II's lunar landing with additional material of Bernard LOVELL, Dr Charles BERRY & Virgil GRISSOM.

Intv: Dr Charles BERRY (NASA Medical Director) - intvd by Michael CHARLTON - Apollo 11 crew had good sleep so far may go ahead with 1st lunar EVA without the planned rest period - be hard to sleep anyway. Will monitor their heart/ breathing rates while on EVA in 1/6 G - their own adrenalin should keep them alert. Crew been trained to moved carefully to reduce risk of accidents while on moon (45.50-51.34)"

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