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Rob Sumowski
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posted 06-20-2006 11:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rob Sumowski   Click Here to Email Rob Sumowski     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I hoped I'd never have the need to relay the following information. Honestly, I tried to avoid this post by solving the issue directly with Chuck Yeager's representative for personal signings. I've been a big fan of Chuck Yeager for years. I read The Right Stuff and recognized in Yeager a true hero. After a recent experience dealing with Gen. Yeager's website, I must confess I was perhaps a bit naive. The experience left me pretty alienated and $150 poorer. I offer you the following account in earnest, taken directly from e-mails between Yeager's signing representative and myself, as I believe it is my obligation to let the hundreds (quite literally) of friends whom I have grown to know and admire over my past several years on collectSPACE know about what I experienced when I mailed three items and $150 to Gen Yeager with a request that the three items be signed to my sons, Finn and Gray, aged 2-1/2 and 9-months old.

I am addressing two transactions. The first- which was successful - occurred in March/April 2006. The second occurred in May 2006 and is, as of the time of the composition of this post, still unresolved.

Transaction #1: March/April 2006:
I followed the collectSPACE link to ChuckYeager.com, where I followed the instructions given on the site and mailed a 1949 Time Magazine, an X-1 stamp sheet, and the required fee to the general requesting that he sign the items and inscribe them to me. I signed the required affidavit swearing that I would never sell the items. I included a note that asked for Gen Yeager's permission to send my mahogany B-19/X-1 combo model for the general's signature. I received my items signed, and was quite happy. Since there was no acknowledgment or answer to my request that I be allowed to send my model, I e-mailed to ask if the general had taken my request into consideration. I received a terse reply asking me to relay where I purchased the model, what the model was made of, and the name of the manufacturer and supplier of this type of model. Hopeful, I researched this information for Yeager and provided everything I could learn, including a direct link to the eBay seller where he could get one. I received a one line reply saying, "We don't sign these models. They break too easily." Okay. Fair enough. I thought the reply could have been a bit more polite, but figured I had at least asked. I framed the signed magazine and hung it in my study.

Transaction #2: May 2006:
As I looked at the signed magazine hanging on my wall every day, I figured I ought to do the same thing for my two young sons. My two-year old, Finn, already had a Harley Copic/Chuck Yeager signed art print on the wall above the fireplace in his bedroom, so I figured I ought to get him and my nine-month old son, Gray, a magazine and a couple of X-1 stamp sheets signed, as it might mean a lot to them when they get older. I went to eBay and bid on a 1949 Magazine and two stamp sheets until I won each, and then packed the three items and a certified check for $150 made out to Chuck Yeager, and sent them to Yeager's address with a request that the general sign them to Finn and Gray.

In mid-May, I was surprised to see that I had received an e-mail from Chuck Yeager's website telling me that Gen. Yeager had seen my items and that the general wanted to keep them. I was asked to trade my sons' items for two previously signed items for sale on the Yeager website. Realizing that everything in life is negotiable, I made a counteroffer, saying I'd be willing to give the general my sons' items if allowed to purchase yet another 1949 Time Magazine and two more stamp sheets to be signed for my boys (which I would pay for) as well one of the offered mini-prints and a signature on my B-29/X-1 combo model.

*I was then told that the general would not sign the model- not because it might break too easily as I had been told one month earlier- but because he had an exclusive agreement with someone to sign B-29/X-1 combo models. As the trade that Yeager's representative proposed had fallen through, I politely requested that we return to my original request that the general sign my sons' items. I received a reply saying, "Oh dear. We don't sign those items. There must have been a misunderstanding." I was told my sons' items would be sent back unsigned. (I didn't understand, as the general had just signed two of these same items dedicated to me the previous month. When I reminded the rep that he had just signed these same type items dedicated to me the previous month, I was asked, "Well then why do you want more?")

This began a series of e-mails where I was attacked by Yeager's representative as I foolishly and vainly- but very politely- pleaded that the general simply please sign the items for my sons. I asked that he please honor my good faith order and payment. I have retained each e-mail from Yeager's signing representative verbatim as documentation, detailing the entire exchange, including the responses I received, which seemed to me to be amazingly rude and abrupt. I will share them privately rather than publicly upon request, as it is against the Collectspace rules to post others' e-mails.

*I then received an e-mail suggesting I should be happy to "gift" my items to Gen Yeager for nothing in return, as did another collector when told that Yeager had not seen a rare item that the other collector had submitted to be signed. The other collector's actions were described as "honorable."

*I was told I was to never again send any items to Yeager.

Weeks passed. I received neither my boys' items nor my money.

*On June 9, my bank informed me that General Yeager had cashed my check on May 15.

*On June 9, I e-mailed again and requested that the website please either send back my money and my sons' items, or to send back my items signed, as the general had already cashed my check. I was told I would receive my items back by the end of June along with a refund "less postage and insurance" even though I had already included return postage and a return envelope.

*Today, June 19, I received my sons' items back unsigned, but no money. The magazine's corner was torn. The items were sent to me via registered mail with a charge of $12.38. Yeager's representative did not return my return postage. I guess they kept that, too. I just don't know what else to do.

Friends, forgive my lengthy post, but I wanted to be thorough.

I learned a lot in this experience. I learned a lot about other people's possible motives. I learned a lot about being patient when I feel like I'm being manipulated and toyed with. I learned a lot about restraining myself and resisting attacking rudeness with rudeness. Even though I am out $150 and my sons' magazine has been torn, I am proud to have taken the high road and been polite throughout.

However, most importantly, I learned a lot about Chuck Yeager - or at least about the persons Chuck Yeager has chosen to represent his interests in handling his signature requests. I learned that Chuck Yeager is not a person whom I wish for my two sons to grow up emulating or calling a hero. As a father, I cannot hold Yeager up as a gentleman whose photos I wish to adorn my sons' walls next to photos of gentlemen like John Glenn. That's my choice. As my sons grow older and I explain the space age to them, they will be told of Yeager's accomplishments in an airplane, but little else. My heart was a bit broken here and I guess I took it personally as it involved my two-year old and nine-month old little boys, but I have no plans to tell my sons about this experience. As for my own signed Yeager items, I will give them away to others, as they no longer hold any meaning whatsoever to me.

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posted 06-20-2006 11:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Rob e-mailed me with his Yeager troubles a few weeks ago. I was most surprised to hear of the Yeager website's offer of the trade, as it struck of being unprofessional. I could not imagine Novaspace, Farthest Reaches or any of the companies that host custom signings (including ourselves) making such an offer (or worse, implying that the owner should be happy to just give over the item, as it would be the "honorable" thing to do).

I offered to help Rob as I could as I truly felt this had to be caused by a misunderstanding. I wrote a letter to the Yeager website's editor, asking for his/her assistance resolving this issue for a reader common to our two sites. I never received a response, despite sending the e-mail twice to different addresses.

Rob has privately expressed concern that collectSPACE still links to Yeager's website and its something I need to take under further consideration. Many of our readers are not autograph collectors and therefore would not be seeking the website to send an item, however I can't knowingly recommend (implied or otherwise) that anyone trust the signing service after learning of Rob's experience.

I want to commend Rob for his extreme patience and level-headed approach to this whole ordeal. I have seen other collectors lose control over less. I would hope and call on the Yeager website to now refund all of Rob's money (including his lost postage) and display just some of the respect that he has shown them.

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Dang dude. Sorry to hear about your experience.

I've been buying items off his website for a while now, but hadn't gotten the guts to take a chance of sending my own item (my pilot flight logbook also autographed by John Glenn and Scott Crossfield, both of whom I've met in person).

I probably won't have to worry about Gen. Yeager wanting to keep this, but not sure if I want to risk my logbook being lost or damaged (even without the other signatures a logbook is one of a pilot's most important possessions).

Hearing your experience isn't helping my decision to risk sending it, but I appreciate you posting this. I'm still going to blindly believe that the jerk in this matter is Yeager's representative,and not Yeager himself (from other posts, it's not unheard of that the rep is always a pain). I still don't want to believe that Yeager would be like that himself. But I can understand why you'd lose faith in him. Great job in how you handled yourself.

A side note, I e-mailed them once asking if I could send them the Glamorous Glennis Warbird panel from Valesco. They replied back no, because Valesco didn't have their authorization to make it and Valesco had told them he's stop making them, so now they're going to deal with him (which is funny since there's a different panel made by that company that's signed by a bunch of WW2 legends including Gen. Yeager). I felt bad because I may have inadvertently caused trouble for Valesco. I replied back stating I've had the panel for about 3 years (which was the truth) trying to stress that this wasn't something recent. No response since then.

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posted 06-20-2006 12:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for James Brown   Click Here to Email James Brown     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'd keep your logbook just the way it is. Crossfield and Glenn are twice the pilots, and gentlemen, that Yeager is.

Rob, sorry to hear about your dealings, but appreciate the head's up for the rest of us.

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posted 06-20-2006 01:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for flyboy   Click Here to Email flyboy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for the tip James. I reread through Rob's post again and I agree with what you're saying.

While I still hope the rudeness came from the General's rep,and not Yeager himself, it's still unprofessional either way. You'd think for what they charge for his signature(whether $50 for a personal item, or the difference in cost between signed and unsigned items sold) they'd at least respect their loyal fans and supporters.

While I'll still cherish the items I already have, I'm not spending my money there anymore.

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posted 06-20-2006 02:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott   Click Here to Email Scott     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was truly taken aback when I read about this experience you had, Rob. That's truly appalling. Thanks very much for letting us all know about this.

I wrote off ever again sending anything when I first saw that "never sell" oath they have people sign when making an order. Nothing against collectors who agree to that, but no way someone's going to take my money and tell me what I can or can't do with my item.

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posted 06-20-2006 02:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ejectr   Click Here to Email ejectr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My pilot log book NEVER leaves my possession. I have many cherished signatures of many heroes of aviation over the years, but the things I cherish and the signatures I cherish more, are the accomplishments, flights and sign offs of the people who have taught me about flying that would be irreplaceable if the book was lost by one of our fumbling shipping services.

DON'T DO IT!!!!!

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posted 06-20-2006 02:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ilbasso   Click Here to Email ilbasso     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The rule of thumb I use is, if I cannot bear to lose something, then I never let it out of my possession, no matter how much I trust someone.

I couldn't imagine trusting your log book to the mail. Even if it was signed as promised, what would happen if it were lost or damaged in the mail? How could you possibly insure it for its sentimental value? Would you mail your family Bible to the Pope to sign?

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Thanks for the advice.

I guess I started considering it more when I read Gen. Yeager has a no autograph policy at his appearances. But you guys are right, it's not worth losing it, or it being damaged for an autograph.

But hey, I'm still happy with the autographs I have in it,and I guess it means more when I meet the legend themselves anyways.

I'm definitely not sending my logbook now.

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posted 06-20-2006 04:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for gliderpilotuk   Click Here to Email gliderpilotuk     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Gosh Rob, that is a truly terrible and frankly incredible experience. Thank you for sharing this outlandish behaviour with the rest of us. I was considering sending an item to Yeager, but will not now do so. I trust others will heed your thoughtful warning.

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posted 06-20-2006 04:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Larry McGlynn   Click Here to Email Larry McGlynn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Rob, I am truly sorry to hear what has happened. I know what you have been through. I also know what has been a constant throughout this whole fiasco and that has been your dignity. You are one true gentleman and it pains me to see this type of situation happen to you. I have never seen this happen with any other pilot or astronaut.

While I don't think your feelings are misplaced, it is indeed sad to see someone loose their respect for an icon such as Chuck Yeager.

I do hope things resolve themselves, but know you did your best to remedy the matter. It is now up to the General Yeager and his website.

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Rob, I'm sorry to read of your experience. Because of it I will never send something off to be signed. My collection may always be modest but any autographs I acquire will be in person.

In my opinion Gen Yeager has the responsibility to correct this situation. I would rather not believe he is personally responsible for this but clearly he is responsible for those he has representing him. If he doesn't fix this to your satisfaction then I will have lost all respect for him as well. It's too bad.

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Thanks very much for sharing that Rob. I had something I was planning to send to Yaeger soon but after reading that, I have changed my mind.

Hopefully... sometime very soon... they will fix this terrible situation.

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Taking a look at the people Gen. Yeager surrounded himself with in the glory days, it's hard to imagine the one's he's picked to be surrounded by these days.

Jack Riddly, Bob Hoover, Scott Crossfield, Slick Goodlin, Walker... those were REAL men. What's he doing playing around with all these mice today!?

I have a tremendous amount of respect for him, but... damn!

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posted 06-21-2006 06:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for leslie   Click Here to Email leslie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sorry to hear of your experience Rob!

I emailed a request via the Yeager website last year and received an extremely terse refusal. At the time I lost respect for Gen Yeager not for the refusal but in the way it was worded. Whilst indulging this hobby I have been subject to many refusals from many people but all, without exception, have been polite and stated regret.

In this instance I would attach blame to General Yeager, not because I believe the responses are from him personally, but he is responsible for a website that bears his name and therefore the people who manage the website.

It will be interesting to observe developments particularly now that Robert Pearlman has got involved on Dr. Rob's behalf!

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This is not to invalidate anyone's experience here; however, my transaction with General Yeager went well. I requested a particular photo on his website to be inscribed to a friend of mine.

Since my request letter had my name on it, there was some confusion regarding to whom it was to be inscribed to. The result, I received two inscribed photos: one to Jim, and one to me.

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Its so sad to see so many people getting treated like this by the Yeager website.

They run a website where they advertise members of the public to send items in to get signed and then decide after they've been received that General Yeager won't sign them or want to keep them for themselves. This is HIGHLY unprofessional as Robert mentioned in his post above though from reading between the lines I can guarantee that the person responsible for the rude emails Rob received were from Yeager's wife Victoria. She has tried this tactic of bullying with other collectors in order to obtain items for "General Yeager's collection". I know of one guy who sent two copies of the Time Magazine as a gift a few years ago and I myself almost succumbed about 4 years ago but then had an "intervention" when I was verbally assaulted and attacked by the woman who would become General Yeager's wife.

Professionalism in General Yeager's office ceased to exisit IMHO when he let his secretary of 14 years go in October 2001. If it were me, I wouldn't risk sending ANYTHING in to be signed as its clear that little regard or care is taken with the orders that are sent in.

Really sorry you had to deal with all this BS Rob... I used to hold General Yeager in high regard but not any more (not for 4 years!). You shouldn't give your Yeager signed items away either in my opinion, you should sell them on eBay or Astro-Auction and use the proceeds to buy some nice items signed by other aerospace legends for your boys. Just my tuppenceworth!

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I second Derek's comments. Sell the stuff & get your sons something from someone they can really look up to. I'll put up a vote for Scott Crossfield.

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Rob I'm sorry to read of your problem, I had a similar experence with Gen Yeager about three or four years ago and as machbusterman has said, it came from Yeager's wife Victoria (at the time, secretary/girl friend, whatever!) Theres no excuse for being treated like this and General Yeager is to blame, it is his web site.

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Wow. I appreciate the landslide of support I have received here, at the Yahoo astronaut group, and through all of the private e-mails that have filled my in-box since last night. I had no idea so many people had been treated this way by Yeager and Co. My last count was that some FOURTEEN of us had been either treated poorly, rudely, had been approached to give their items to Yeager, or had similar experiences with what appears to be this outfit's dishonorable and classless behavior. Oh well. God bless 'em anyway.

I again e-mailed Yeager's site last night inquiring about my money, and have received no response at all.

A special thanks to the one buddy who gave me a ton of information about how one reports mail fraud to the Postmaster General and how their investigations work. This was very valuable information. I had no idea mail fraud is a federal felony.

Thanks so much for your support. It's good to know that I'm not alone.

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quote:
Originally posted by ejectr:
Taking a look at the people Gen. Yeager surrounded himself with in the glory days, it's hard to imagine the one's he's picked to be surrounded by these days.
Sadly even back in the day, he never surrounded himself with Crossfield or Joe Walker. They were civilian test pilots and he had no use for them. Ever.

Rob - I'd suggest sending a certified letter inquiring as to your money/item etc. Probably won't work but you have a record then.

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I'm sorry to hear about this experience as well. Mr. Yeager was kind enough to send me a signed picture FREE of charge about a year ago, after pretty much just telling him how he was my hero and how I look up to and dream to be like some day.

It might seem a bit far out, but bare with me.

I don't think Mr. Yeager had anything to do with this episode. Just that mysterious "representative". Here's my far out hypothesis.

The rep. wanted your stuff. Maybe they also had the same magazine, unsigned, and ripped. They could have given Mr. Yeager you check to cash, and your magazine to sign for themselves. The rep. could have given you their ripped copy.

They also could have poorly handled tor magazine, and felt so bad for the damage that they wanted to find a way of you never seeing it again. But why steal your money?

Just some ideas.

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Say it ain't so Chuck...

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I don't think Mr. Yeager had anything to do with this episode. Just that mysterious "representative". Here's my far out hypothesis.


Pullleeese... the "rep" is his wife Victoria. These are the same tactics she's used with countless other collectors and individuals in an attempt to extort their items. While Chuck might not have anything directly to do with this particular episode, it was he who installed her in the position of president of the General Chuck Yeager Foundation and therefore he must be fully accountable.

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Pullleeese... the "rep" is his wife Victoria.
I think I was just in denial.

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This turn of events is bad. The transaction appears most fraudulent, and the suggestion to donate the item appears to be borderline extortion. The Yeager camp would be extremely wise in rectifying this problem immediately. I am sure the lawyer members on cS could shed insight onto what legal action should be taken.

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I'm sorry to hear about your unfortunate experience, Rob. That said, I applaud the manner in which you've handled the entire situation. In this day and age of short fuses and over-reactions, you're to be applauded for taking this frustrating experience in stride.

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Rob, please keep everyone posted. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

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Well, Gilbert, since you asked, there has been a flurry of activity over the past 3-4 days.

I've received five e-mails from Yeager's staff ranging from being almost freindly and explaining their system in one breath, and then accusing me of threatening them, making up lies, and having no honor. The rep seems to like the word, "mischaracterization" a lot.

The rep stated that there is one girl who processes requests and she'd have to eventually get around to figuring out mine, "because she handles the honest ones first."

Regarding my money, the rep first stated they did not have my check and wanted certified proof from me and my bank that THEY had cashed my check. They demanded a "certified copy of the cancelled check."

Then the rep stated that because "the check was made out incorrectly" by me (It was payable to "Chuck Yeager"), she had been unable to find it, however the rep later said she had verified that they did cash the check and said I would receive a refund.

The rep mentioned the cS post and told me that I had spread lies and misinformation about them here. They called Collectspace a "chat blog."

And then the rep again mentioned that had I just given them my sons' items they would have sent me "two items worth over $100," as they said they had done with another person who turned over his items to them.

That being said, I'm going to just love 'em anyway and hope that what they said about a refund being in the mail is true. I'm not holding my breath, though.

In fairness to Yeager, I will indeed tell you right away if I do receive my money back. That's the right thing to do.

Sometimes I wonder, "Why all this? Of all the astronauts and pilots over ten years, why am I receiving so much trouble from these people?" You know, all I ever wanted was to have three things signed for my little boys. And they are great little kids.

Oh well. I've got much bigger fish to fry in life than letting this little operation bother me. Again, God bless 'em anyway.

That's the update.

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Jeez, I can't believe you have to go through this much trouble. Hopefully you'll get your refund soon.

I still can't believe they're pressing the issue that you wouldn't trade. They made their offer, you declined, you have your reasons and are by all rights entitled to them. They need to get over it.

I don't know how hard it is to find items like yours, or how expensive it runs on places like eBay, but if Gen Yeager really wanted them,he's rich, he can probably find a way to buy them without having to have his people hassle his fans.

Best of luck on getting this nightmare resolved. Please keep us posted.

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The rep stated that there is one girl who processes requests and she'd have to eventually get around to figuring out mine, "because she handles the honest ones first."
LOL YEAH theres "one girl". And one ONLY.
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Sometimes I wonder, "Why all this? Of all the astronauts and pilots over ten years, why am I receiving so much trouble from these people?"
All because of one person, who like a few other aviators who've remarried, who think they are important and, for whom this is her standard, not her exception.

The sadness is how it's affected "her General".

It is funny to read her accusations. When people bluster and accuse as she does, it's obvious she's trying to bully, divert and has no true defense; and knows they messed up. But this ego would never allow her to admit and more importantly DO the right thing.

Robert Pearlman
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posted 06-30-2006 12:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I will be talking with Mrs. Yeager regarding Rob's situation during the second week of July (the first time the Gen. and she are home) and hope to talk with Gen. Yeager as well.

I will of course share the results of that/those conversation(s) after it/they occur.

Gilbert
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I have a feeling that Rob S. will be blamed for everything. After all, we all KNOW he IS an evil, dishonest man. Imagine, wanting to pay hard-earned money to get his young sons a keepsake signed by Gen. Yeager. The nerve! The audacity! Shame on you, Rob!

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posted 06-30-2006 04:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for machbusterman   Click Here to Email machbusterman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Robert Pearlman:
I will be talking with Mrs. Yeager regarding Rob's situation during the second week of July (the first time the Gen. and she are home) and hope to talk with Gen. Yeager as well.

I will of course share the results of that/those conversation(s) after it/they occur.


I for one will be very interested to learn the results of your conversation(s) with General and Mrs Yeager... but it might have been wise not to post your intentions online before the conversation takes place Robert as it may preclude any conversation from happening at all.

Robert Pearlman
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posted 06-30-2006 04:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Mrs. Yeager already knows that we will be speaking and that I will be sharing the outcome of our conversation with you, my readers. Indeed, part of the purpose of the call was to give the Yeagers and their Foundation a chance to respond on this "chat blog." I'm not looking to sandbag anyone; just learn their side and politely share my own.

lunarrv15
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posted 06-30-2006 05:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lunarrv15   Click Here to Email lunarrv15     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The person may have formed a new internet word "chat blog". Currently the word does not exist in the dictionary or computer terminology.

A blog is "A Web site that contains dated entries in reverse chronological order (most recent first) about a particular topic. Functioning as an online journal, blogs can be written by one person or a group of contributors.

I think this is a message board - An Internet forum for holding discussions.

KC Stoever
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posted 06-30-2006 07:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KC Stoever   Click Here to Email KC Stoever     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by lunarrv15:
The person may have formed a new internet word "chat blog".
lunarrv15 is right to look at Mrs. Yeager's curious usage here. She deploys both "chat" and "blog" in an apparent effort to belittle and trivialize this site.

That's silly, seems to me. Why belittle your hitherto ardent admirers who have tended to congregate here?

Why, dare I say it: mischaracterize us?

Larry McGlynn
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Although I do hope that the aggreived parties can resolve their differences, this does raise another issue.

Why does the serious aerospace collector continue to take the abuse from "celebrites?" We are paying excellent money to these people. We are their customers and we do deserve some modicum of respect regardless of our status as collectors.

I enjoy collecting, but I am tired of hearing these types of stories. I understand that astronauts and pilots have been approached by various offenders who try to take advantage of their good nature, but to be lumped into that mix sincerely bothers me. The members of this group are sincere believers in the future of aviation and space flight. In a world that could care less about aerospace exploration, the past explorers might do well to remember that we carry to torch for future generations. For without us, they would fade into obscurity.

Rob Sumowski
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You nailed it, Larry. What was the phrase? "No bucks, no Buck Rodgers." We need to remember that, in this context, we are the ones with the bucks.

mikelarson
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While we're at it, I might as well tell everyone about a bad experience I had with the Yeagers.

Last year, following the instructions on his web site, I sent in two baseballs to be signed. I also had to sign the "pledge" not to sell any items I received.

About a month later I got my baseballs back unsigned. a very short and unpersonal form letter that was included said it was their policy to not sign baseballs.

They also cashed my check and sent me a partial refund deducting the shipping costs to send the items back to me. I looked all over their web site for item restrictions and found none whatsoever regarding baseballs. As a result, I was out $15 and wasted time.

Over a year later and their web site still doesn't say anything about not signing baseballs. My story is not nearly as sad as the others being mentioned, but supports all of the comments everyone else is making...


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