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capoetc
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posted 07-01-2006 05:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for capoetc   Click Here to Email capoetc     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have been watching this thread with some interest, as I have done business with Yeager's web site in the past as well.

I'm not sure how long it has been posted on the site (I remember it was there when I sent a photo to be signed about a year ago), but there is a blurb about inquiring first before sending items to be signed:

Some items may not be acceptable for signing, so please email a description of the item to be signed to yeagersiteinfo1@prodigy.net for approval prior to sending your item. Please do not send models or photographs taken from the Internet as they may be copyrighted

Once you have received approval, send your item and a payment of $50.00 or greater to the General Chuck Yeager Foundation for each item.

I e-mailed a description of the photo first, received the "ok" to send it, included return packaging and postage as requested, and the photo was signed and returned in just a couple weeks.

It is a shame to hear that others are having problems, though.

cddfspace
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posted 07-01-2006 07:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for cddfspace   Click Here to Email cddfspace     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interesting thread- I continue to follow it (as we all do). I had 3 items signed though the site with no problem. What prompted my reply on this was what Mike just posted about the baseball...one of the items I had signed about 2 years ago was a baseball (signed it boldly on the sweet spot- CHUCK YEAGER). I think the overriding story in this whole thread is the lack of consistency on Yeager's part (or "his people").

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posted 07-01-2006 06:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rob Sumowski   Click Here to Email Rob Sumowski     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I received a check today from Chuck Yeager in the amount of $150 as a refund for the check he cashed when refusing to sign the items for my sons after I would not trade them to his staff on their terms.

IF IT WERE NOT FOR COLLECTSPACE, I HONESTLY DOUBT I WOULD EVER HAVE SEEN MY MONEY AGAIN. Thank you, Robert Pearlman.

I am relieved to now be back where I started in early May. I have my kids' items and my money back. I'll be giving the items away and putting the money in my kids' bank accounts.

I want to publicly thank Chuck Yeager for not keeping my money.

It's been an ordeal and I've learned a lot.

Thanks Larry, Al, and all the others for speaking up. It was good to know I was not alone here. I had no idea so many others had had similar problems with Yeager's staff.

God bless the Yeager contingent and I wish Chuck luck. I wish all of them nothing but the best. And I promise he'll never be bothered by this collector again.

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posted 07-11-2006 03:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for machbusterman   Click Here to Email machbusterman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Any news on the conversation you had with the Yeager's yet Robert?

Incidentally, there is now an "advert" on the offical website advising:

"The General Chuck Yeager Staff is interested in trades for certain memorabilia you may have. For more details for what you might be willing to trade, please email yeagersiteinfo1@prodigy.net."

Robert Pearlman
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posted 07-11-2006 10:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by machbusterman:
Any news on the conversation you had with the Yeager's yet Robert?
Well, I guess my promised call with Mrs. Yeager will not be occurring after all.

As of this evening, after a string of e-mailed responses, I have learned the following:

  1. That this experience has been "the final nail in the coffin for unknowns that have put Gen Yeager off from signing anything for people whom we don't know." I requested clarification of this statement, if it meant Gen. Yeager was no longer signing for his fans, but received no answer to this question.

  2. That the "main reason [Sumowski] was returned his items unsigned" was that "he lied on your website". I pointed out that this was impossible, as the items were returned before this thread even began.

    I then volunteered to remove or edit Rob's post if they could show that he had lied. They had earlier mentioned having e-mails from him that contradicted what he posted above. I asked they share these e-mails with me, to which they replied: "We stand by our statement that Sumowski is lying in his blog and you are allowing slander (and no rebuttal) on your site."

    Besides a message board not being a blog and their always being free to register whenever they so desired, I also -- from the start -- offered to post a reply on their behalf. No reply ("rebuttal") was ever provided.

  3. "We've been told you're all all the same person. We have no evidence other than your word of who you are." I guess the fact that Robert Sumowski and I share the same first name makes us the same people. Otherwise, this is perhaps the most ludicrous statement I received in the 7 years running this site.

  4. "Please do NOT contact us again." Hence, my suspicion that my call has been canceled. That said, should I ever meet Gen. Yeager again, I might take the opportunity to share this story...
Perhaps the oddest part of this entire exchange has been "their" reluctance to share who was writing me. I politely asked several times for the writer to identify him/herself, which was ignored even after I made it the first line in each of my later responses. In every reply, I included my full name, address, phone number and e-mail address.

Rob Sumowski
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posted 07-11-2006 10:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rob Sumowski   Click Here to Email Rob Sumowski     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Kinda like talking to a stump, ain't it?

Hey Rob, since you and I are the same person, feel free to send our "Who's Who in Space" book to your Georgia address anytime.

Moonpaws
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posted 07-11-2006 10:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moonpaws   Click Here to Email Moonpaws     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Larry McGlynn:
In a world that could care less about aerospace exploration, the past explorers might do well to remember that we carry the torch for future generations. For without us, they would fade into obscurity.
As usual, very well said Larry.

James Brown
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posted 07-12-2006 04:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for James Brown   Click Here to Email James Brown     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've known Rob S. for sometime now. He is without a doubt, one of the most honest, kind, individuals I've ever had the pleasure of knowing. I truly think the world of him. He would never lie about something like this, or even make such accusations about someone if it wasn't true.

I would take his word over Yeager's anyday of the week.

John K. Rochester
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posted 07-12-2006 07:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for John K. Rochester   Click Here to Email John K. Rochester     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's sad that these "Anna Nicole" wannabees can meet, marry and subsequently brainwash their spouses into such degrees of paranoia such as this.

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posted 07-12-2006 09:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nixster   Click Here to Email Nixster     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I see you have met the 'real' Yeager. Many, many people who have met this person behind the scenes or not in the public eye, could tell you many stories of his demeanor. Not a very nice person IMO.

Gilbert
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posted 07-12-2006 10:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gilbert   Click Here to Email Gilbert     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Now that I think about it I have never seen Rob Pearlman and Rob Sumowski in the same place at the same time. Hmmm.

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posted 07-12-2006 10:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for rjurek349   Click Here to Email rjurek349     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Will the real Rob please stand up?

(I know Rob. Rob is a friend of mine. And you sir...)

Sorry on that last bit - I couldn't resist.

Still -- either way, I applaud Rob S. for bringing his experience to light for all of us to learn. His integrity is without question... and given Rob P.'s email above, I for one do not need to add anything from Yeager to my collection... ever.

KC Stoever
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posted 07-12-2006 10:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KC Stoever   Click Here to Email KC Stoever     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Robert, yikes! Your entire account upthread is noteworthy, but I'll highlight this graf, where you wrote:

Besides a message board not being a blog and their always being free to register whenever they so desired, I also from the start offered to post a reply on their behalf. No reply ("rebuttal") was ever provided.

They're all hat and no cattle, I say. All bluster and no facts.

The Yeager ~ahem~ representative levels loose and wild accusations of lying and slander (she must've meant "libel" as slander is spoken defamation), yet she makes not the least effort to rebut charges laid out in a reasonable fashion by an honorable cSer.

I am most struck, however, by the Yeager representative's shaky hold on facts and, indeed, on reality itself.

And as for all of us here posting being the same person--Rob S/Rob P--I have only this to say:

I am Spartacus.

randy
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posted 07-12-2006 11:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for randy   Click Here to Email randy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I too have been watching this thread, and my opinion of Gen. Yeager has dropped tremendously. I won't bother visiting his website again.

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posted 07-12-2006 11:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KSCartist   Click Here to Email KSCartist     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am Spartacus!

It's a real shame that Gen Yeager's reputation will suffer at the hands of those he has surrounded himself with.

I for one am on Rob's, Roberts (and all you other "Bobs" out there) side.

Gilbert
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posted 07-12-2006 01:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gilbert   Click Here to Email Gilbert     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Maybe she thinks that we, the collecting community, are all the same person, kinda like the Borg on Star Trek: TNG...

... maybe not.

No, I am Spartacus.

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posted 07-12-2006 01:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for machbusterman   Click Here to Email machbusterman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I can't say I am surprised at what has happened Robert and neither am I surprised by the statements of Yeager's "representitive". While she won't have put her name to the emails its clear as mud to me and many others who you and Rob Sumowski (yes, Mr Sumowski is indeed a different individual than Mr. Pearlman... they are not one in the same!) have been dealing with.

I wonder though how many people will contact "them" with an offer of items to trade? Not many one hopes!

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posted 07-12-2006 01:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ejectr   Click Here to Email ejectr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is hard to take. Never thought I'd have to deal one of my childhood aviation heroes.

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posted 07-12-2006 02:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for rchappel   Click Here to Email rchappel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Whew! Though I'm glad everyone shared, I have to say I wish I'd skipped this thread. How depressing.

Ignorance is bliss.

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posted 07-12-2006 02:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for nasamad   Click Here to Email nasamad     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I had no problems with my order from Gen Yeager's site, but it was a straight signed image from the store.

A sad state of affairs never the less!

P.S. I am Bwian!

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posted 07-12-2006 04:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CAC   Click Here to Email CAC     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
To heck with Yeager's autograph...I want one from Sparatacus! Now that's a historical figure! Where do I get an original photo of him from 73 BC and where do I mail it? Thrace?

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posted 07-12-2006 04:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FFrench     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by CAC:
To heck with Yeager's autograph...I want one from Sparatacus! Now that's a historical figure! Where do I get an original photo of him from 73 BC and where do I mail it? Thrace?

There are plenty for sale online, but for some reason he's signed "Kirk Douglas" on each one...

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posted 07-12-2006 05:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mikepf   Click Here to Email mikepf     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello, I have never ordered from Gen. Yeager, nor have I ever had the chance to meet him. While I admire and respect him for his aviation accomplishments and service to our country, I was always a bit displeased with his attitude towards the early astronauts, such as the comment about wiping the monkey "stuff" off the seats of the Mercury spacecraft. Just because a person does great things does not automatically make them a great person. Sad but true.

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posted 07-12-2006 06:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for capoetc   Click Here to Email capoetc     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by mikepf:
I was always a bit displeased with his attitude towards the early astronauts, such as the comment about wiping the monkey "stuff" off the seats of the Mercury spacecraft.
In fairness, there were many pilots at the time who spoke scornfully about a project in which the "pilot" was thought to be little more than a passenger on a mostly automated vehicle.

Unfortunately, the ultimate outcome of this episode will likely be a reduction in income for Gen Yeager's foundation.

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posted 07-12-2006 07:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KC Stoever   Click Here to Email KC Stoever     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by capoetc:
In fairness, there were many pilots at the time who spoke scornfully about a project in which the "pilot" was thought to be little more than a passenger on a mostly automated vehicle.

Unfortunately, the ultimate outcome of this episode will likely be a reduction in income for Gen Yeager's foundation.


A couple of things.

First, I think everyone here can agree that Chuck Yeager is a great man. This dustup is not about the great Chuck Yeager who captured Tom Wolfe's imagination and then leapt to life in THE RIGHT STUFF, the nonfiction work without which Yeager would not be the icon he became in popular culture. I would assay that it's about the late-in-life victimization of that icon.

Second: Yeager's wartime service (and his service over the skies of Edwards) deserves our admiration and gratitude. Still, we can all concede with philosophical mien, that others gave more, with no Tom Wolfe on hand to memorialize their service for the ages.

Third, yes, Yeager's remarks about Project Mercury are legendary and typical, I suppose, of the time. Manly jet airplanes or the lowly meteor-shaped reentry craft? Hmmm. Which do real pilots choose?

I can assure you that Carpenter, for one, heard of Yeager's views only upon reading Wolfe in the early 1970s. It didn't bug him. Or hurt his feelings. He knew that Yeager was a jet age icon and that the space age created other icons.

Not better or more exemplary icons. Just space age ones.

Carpenter also knew in his patriotic heart that beating the Soviets meant rockets and blunt-end reentry vehicles and a selection process that selected some men and not others.

No hard feelings. Just reality.

Finally, the General Yeager Foundation. Who benefits from it now? I don't know.

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posted 07-13-2006 10:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gilbert   Click Here to Email Gilbert     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
KC, as usual, an excellent and eloquent post. I wish I could write half as good.

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posted 07-13-2006 10:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Larry McGlynn   Click Here to Email Larry McGlynn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I read Robert Pearlman's comments concerning Rob Sumowski lying on this website with some irony.

Now if Mrs. Yeager had said something about me lying to her, well then, I would agree with it. I always like to tell people that I lie 50% of the time. You guys would just have to figure out which 50% is the truth and 50% is the lie. I just enjoy the unpredictability.

That being said, Rob Sumowski has got to be one of the most honest people I have ever met. I use him as an example of an honorable gentleman. I try to follow his example in my dealings in the space collecting hobby, so imagine my surprise when I see him being labeled as a liar. Yeager's people talk of slander by this site and yet they think nothing of slandering a truly honest man.

If they were smart they would drop the whole thing and do what it took to make Rob Sumowski whole. If BGen. Yeager doesn't care, then he should close up the website and stop signing. He only signed 92 signatures in 2004. Just look at his foundation's books which are available in the California Secretary of State website.

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I can't say I'm suprised Rob (P) about their refusal to "allow" a phone call. She's too easily caught in lies and misrepresentations herself, simply look right out of the box in her emails to you.

As KC indicates, this in no way denigrates what he did in history. His flying skills are legendary, and while he may NOT have been the first to break the sound barrier, he is the 1st to have done it with telemetry and possibly, in level flight. It was still an unknown.

While I despise the Right Stuff movie for it's test flight innacuracies, and they are legion, I have had some very interesting conversations with other folks assigned to the X-1 program. Let's just say no one had any faith in Bell Aircraft at the time, and "volunteers" were not exactly lining up to fly the X-1 then, and leave it at that. It did turn out to be an absolutely fine aircraft.

So allow him his icon status in the test flight arena, but let's not make him a God if that makes sense.

It is also essential that we keep in perspective, this is not Yeager himself sending these emails and causing this heartburn. There is a very real possiblity he has no idea.

Or if he has an idea, he's getting a quite convoluted portrayal and not accurate one.

To paraphrase a statement from the RS movie, "no, old Chuck, he done good".

I do wish he'd take control over this aspect though.

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Originally posted by albatron:
To paraphrase a statement from the RS movie, "no, old Chuck, he done good".

I do wish he'd take control over this aspect though.


To paraphrase another quote from RS: "F'in aye, bubba"

I've gotta agree with KC Stoever and Al. Though I'm disappointed with the experiences the Robs have had with Yeager's people, as well as the problems Yeager is having with his children over his gold-digging wife... I still can't seem to knock him off my hero list. He is still one of the best pilots this world has ever seen (well in my opinion at least).

I've never run into any problems with getting things from his store(though he made out a picture to Mary instead of Mark, it wasn't anything I couldn't fix with a Sharpie).

Reading this thread though, I will never send my own things in, but can't see myself stop buying things occasionally from his store.

I keep hoping Chuck doesn't know anything about these problems though.


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