Posts: 55101 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
posted 07-17-2025 01:47 PM
quote:Originally posted by OV-105: It still has the orbiter attachment points on it...
The struts are still there, but the attach points are not.
The attach points are ITAR controlled, which is why Space Center Houston cannot display NASA 905's attach points (and why a photo I took of them when they were removed cannot be posted online).
KeepTheShuttle New Member
Posts: 3 From: Registered: Jul 2025
posted 07-21-2025 08:23 PM
Hi all - my name is Joe, and I'm organizing folks to oppose the proposed relocation at KeepTheShuttle.org
The relocation would be a mistake on several fronts — it's a misuse of taxpayer money, sets a precedent of political plunder at the Smithsonian, and moving Discovery would be extraordinarily difficult and risk damaging a priceless piece of American history.
If you're interested in learning more and getting involved please check us out!
pupnik Member
Posts: 125 From: Maryland Registered: Jan 2014
posted 07-22-2025 05:46 PM
Well, if the Smithsonian is going to have all that empty space, I guess they'll need to fill it with something else. Maybe with that Saturn V in Houston that they own.
Robert Pearlman Editor
Posts: 55101 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
posted 07-22-2025 06:14 PM
I know your comment is in jest, but for the record, when the Saturn V was repaired and restored in 2005 and 2006, it was done so in place because it was determined that any attempt to move it would result in its destruction. Even after the work was completed, it was deemed far too fragile to be relocated.
tedc Member
Posts: 244 From: Renton, WA USA Registered: Mar 2002
posted 07-22-2025 10:45 PM
Can we say the same about Discovery?
Robert Pearlman Editor
Posts: 55101 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
posted 07-23-2025 01:39 PM
Committee on House Administration Chairman release
Morelle Amendment to Keep Space Shuttle Discovery in the Smithsonian Moves Forward
Today, Rep. Joe Morelle (NY-25), the top Democrat on the Committee on House Administration, issued the following statement about his amendment introduced during the Appropriations Full Committee Markup of the FY26 Interior and Environment Bill to keep the Space Shuttle Discovery with the Smithsonian. The amendment was successfully adopted and will be included in the bill to be considered by the full House:
"The forced removal and relocation of the Space Shuttle Discovery from the Smithsonian Institution's Air and Space Museum is inappropriate, wasteful, and wrong. Neither the Smithsonian nor American taxpayers should be forced to spend hundreds of millions of dollars on this misguided effort. I am grateful for the bipartisan support of my colleagues on this amendment and hope we can continue working together throughout the remainder of the Appropriations process to keep a treasured Smithsonian artifact where it belongs," said Ranking Member Morelle.
Robert Pearlman Editor
Posts: 55101 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
posted 08-05-2025 06:40 PM
Senator John Cornyn (R-TX) release
Cornyn Secures Relocation of Retired NASA Shuttle to Houston
U.S. Senator John Cornyn (R-TX) released the following statement in response to National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) Acting Administrator Sean Duffy's approval of a retired NASA space shuttle to be moved to a non-profit near the Johnson Space Center (JSC) in Houston, an effort that was spearheaded by Senator Cornyn and signed into law by President Trump as part of the One Big Beautiful Bill Act:
"Since the inception of our nation's human space exploration program, Houston has been at the center of our most historic achievements, from training the best and brightest to voyage into the great unknown to putting the first man on the moon," said Sen. Cornyn. "There is no better place for one of NASA's space shuttles to be displayed than Space City, and I thank Acting Administrator Duffy for rectifying the Obama Administration's error and look forward to welcoming this iconic orbiter to its rightful home."
CJ Member
Posts: 106 From: Cherry Hill, NJ Registered: Nov 2003
posted 08-05-2025 10:00 PM
"I'll give you Discovery when you pry it from my cold, dead hands." — James Smithson
KeepTheShuttle New Member
Posts: 3 From: Registered: Jul 2025
posted 08-05-2025 10:45 PM
Anyone see any news from NASA or Sec. Duffy themselves? Only thing out there seems to be this press release, but even Sen. Cornyn doesn't seem to be advertising it.
Robert Pearlman Editor
Posts: 55101 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
The head of NASA has decided to move one of the agency's retired space shuttles to Houston, but which one seems to still be up in the air.
Senator John Cornyn (R-Texas), who earlier this year introduced and championed an effort to relocate the space shuttle Discovery from the Smithsonian to Space Center Houston, issued a statement on Tuesday evening (Aug. 5) applauding the decision by acting NASA Administrator Sean Duffy.
PeterO Member
Posts: 466 From: North Carolina Registered: Mar 2002
posted 08-06-2025 09:37 AM
In reading Robert's article, and skimming through the One Big Beautiful Bill Act, I don't see that it specifies a Space Shuttle Orbiter be transferred. The act specifies:
SPACE VEHICLE DESCRIBED. A space vehicle described in this paragraph is a vessel that
has flown into space;
has carried astronauts; and
is selected with the concurrence of an entity designated by the Administrator.
Due to the lack of specificity, could NASA transfer a Mercury, Gemini or Apollo spacecraft instead?
Robert Pearlman Editor
Posts: 55101 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
posted 08-06-2025 11:38 AM
You run into the same issue as Discovery: the Smithsonian owns all but one of the Mercury, Gemini and Apollo spacecraft that carried people into space and the exception is owned by the Cosmosphere. They are no longer federal property.
NASA could transfer Artemis II after it returns from the moon, given the deadline for the move is January 2027, but I believe NASA intends to reuse that Orion.
Hangar Cat Member
Posts: 12 From: Houston, TX Registered: Jul 2009
posted 08-06-2025 02:37 PM
Has Space Center Houston released their plans to house a Space Shuttle if one comes to Houston?
What impact does this have to SCH's master plan released in 2022 to reimage itself from a museum to a space exploration learning and training facility with two massive structures that will show the development of robotics, rovers, lunar landers and reduced gravity systems?
Robert Pearlman Editor
Posts: 55101 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
posted 08-06-2025 02:41 PM
Space Center Houston has not released any details as to how or where it plans to display a space shuttle, but has said that it fits within their strategic plans for the coming years.
I believe the proposed lunar and Mars facility, though, was set aside before talk of moving a shuttle to Houston even began. Texas A&M University broke ground in November 2024 for a similar facility, part of its new Space Institute, to be erected across the street from Space Center Houston in the new Exploration Park.
The institute, expected to open in September 2026, will feature the world's largest indoor simulation spaces for lunar and Martian surface operations, high-bay laboratories, and multifunctional project rooms.
Hangar Cat Member
Posts: 12 From: Houston, TX Registered: Jul 2009
posted 08-06-2025 03:19 PM
Thanks Robert. While looking at past news releases, it does appear that SCH plans and Texas A&M University Space Institute plans are mirror images of each other.
DeepSea Member
Posts: 73 From: Registered: Jun 2014
posted 08-06-2025 04:36 PM
I know the focus has been on Discovery, but seemingly Atlantis is the only orbiter that could actually be transferred to Space Center Houston. Are we SERIOUSLY suggesting that the building gets ripped open, Atlantis taken out and sent away from its actual home to a site that never demonstrated that it really wanted or deserved an orbiter in the first place?
Surely not.
KeepTheShuttle New Member
Posts: 3 From: Registered: Jul 2025
posted 08-06-2025 07:06 PM
I like to think that Atlantis and Endeavour are safe from this farce, though who really knows.
My read is that Sec. Duffy and Sen. Cornyn know that NASA has no legal right to Discovery, and so the unidentified identification is a ridiculous attempt to comply with the OBBBA's 30 day requirement while they try to find a way to wrest ownership away from the Smithsonian.
Robert Pearlman Editor
Posts: 55101 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
Texas lawmakers, seemingly not content with having gotten NASA's endorsement to move a retired space shuttle to Houston, are now calling for an investigation into how the Smithsonian allegedly objected to relocating the orbiter it has owned for over a decade.
Senator John Cornyn and Representative Randy Weber on Thursday (Aug. 7) sent a letter to John Roberts, the Smithsonian Institution's chancellor and Chief Justice of the United States, suggesting that the Smithsonian's staff may have violated the law by their efforts to block legislation authorizing the space vehicle's transfer.
pupnik Member
Posts: 125 From: Maryland Registered: Jan 2014
posted 08-11-2025 05:07 PM
NASA does still own Columbia and Challenger too.
Robert Pearlman Editor
Posts: 55101 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
posted 08-19-2025 07:22 PM
I was a guest this morning on Houston Public Media's Hello Houston, discussing the proposal to move the space shuttle Discovery to Texas.
hbw60 Member
Posts: 357 From: Registered: Aug 2018
posted 08-20-2025 04:20 AM
Very well spoken, Robert! That was a really great interview. You were able to clearly point out the absurdity of this situation, without turning it into a political debate or a personal attack on those responsible. We live in a society that has weaponized language so completely that it can be difficult to speak on these kinds of topics without feeling like you're taking a side. Even your brief mention of hauling the Shuttle through the Gulf of Mexico could be seen as a faux-pax by the people insisting that it be called the "Gulf of America" instead. It's really hard to speak about current events in such a way that both sides can see the common sense in it - and I think you balanced it perfectly.
It's also nice to see that some in the local Houston media have opposition to this situation, despite Houston being the only potential benefactor from it. I'm sure most people in Houston would love to have a Space Shuttle on display in their city, so it's good to see that people can look past their own potential gain when the costs to the overall nation are so high.
Anyway, thanks for bringing a very eloquent perspective to Houston, Robert!
Robert Pearlman Editor
Posts: 55101 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
posted 08-20-2025 08:00 AM
Thank you Howard!
I didn't catch the "Gulf" reference until I went back and listened to it. It was not done purposefully. (When I write for this site, I generally follow AP style and so still use Gulf of Mexico as the body of water is internationally known.)
It was with intent that I tried in this interview and elsewhere to keep politics out of the discussion. The decision where the orbiters were placed was not political; nor should it be now.
DeepSea Member
Posts: 73 From: Registered: Jun 2014
posted 08-20-2025 09:39 AM
Very well done, Robert. Excellent interview.
Liembo Member
Posts: 904 From: Bothell, WA Registered: Jan 2013
posted 08-20-2025 05:42 PM
In my opinion, the only shuttle that logistically and appropriately could go to JSC, would be the Full Fuselage Trainer that's at the Museum of Flight in Seattle. It originated from JSC. It has a history there. It's logistically easier to transport in pieces and the same Super Guppy that brought it to Seattle is still in service.
While it's ridiculous that any of this is even being discussed, and it would be a devastating loss to move any shuttle artifact of these sizes from any museum, this is the move that would make the most sense historically, logistically and financially.
Robert Pearlman Editor
Posts: 55101 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
posted 08-20-2025 06:03 PM
Perhaps, but the Full Fuselage Trainer falls outside the conditions of the law, as the "space vehicle" must have carried astronauts into space.
If acting administrator Sean Duffy had not already identified Houston as the location, then the most elegant solution I have heard would be to give Atlantis to the Astronauts Memorial Foundation.
NASA would transfer title to the orbiter to the AMF (a non-profit located within the municipality of a NASA field center involved in the Commercial Crew Program). The AMF would not have to worry about delivery or display expenses as, like Atlantis, the AMF is already located at the Kennedy Space Center Visitor Complex.
The $85 million could then be used to add more exhibits to the Atlantis building, for its ongoing upkeep or perhaps put towards supporting one of the missions that the White House wants to cancel.