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Robert Pearlman
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Documentary filmmaker Steven C. Barber has proposed a $750,000 bronze statue of the Apollo 11 crew be installed at the Kennedy Space Center Visitor Complex in time for the 50th anniversary of the first moon landing, reports the Orlando Sentinel.
...Barber managed to get a meeting with Delaware North, the company that runs Kennedy Space Center Visitor Complex at the end of July. In the end, Delaware North gave Barber approval to seek funding for the statue, although exactly where and how it will be presented was not nailed down.
The statue, if funded, will be created by George Lundeen, the sculptor that created the statues of Apollo astronaut Jack Swigert that stand in in National Statuary Hall and Denver International Airport.
...now has a design that shows the Apollo 11 crew in their space suits, helmets off and looking toward the moon.

“It's an interesting thing to give composition to, to have all three of them work together,” Lundeen said. “ It's just like the team they went up as. You've got three individuals, each one of the pieces we have endeavored to make into a well designed sculpture on its own, but at the same time to have them interact well together as a team.”

The end result will be figures that are a little larger than life at around 7 feet tall.

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posted 08-14-2018 10:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fra Mauro   Click Here to Email Fra Mauro     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Good idea! I would think that the money would come from the public. I would certainly donate!

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The Lundeen work of Jack Swigert is spectacular. I pass by it in the Denver airport pretty often. The suit is done in full color and the details look like real hardware. He even sculpted Swigert's famous Rolex watch on the wrist.

I'm certain this will be equally well done and would happily contribute.

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posted 08-14-2018 11:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LM-12     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How about a statue that replicated the crew as seen in this launch day photo, for example.

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posted 08-14-2018 01:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fra Mauro   Click Here to Email Fra Mauro     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I like that too but how much of it would be included? Just the crew?

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posted 08-14-2018 01:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LM-12     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The crew, and maybe the front half of the ramp.

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posted 08-14-2018 01:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The design of the statue seems to have already been decided, as pictured above.

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posted 08-14-2018 04:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fra Mauro   Click Here to Email Fra Mauro     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Of course, if you could speak to Alan Shepard, I'm sure he would feel that he should have the first statue, like Gagarin! In any event, the design looks great.

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There is a statue of Alan Shepard at the Kennedy Space Center Visitor Complex, as part of the Astronaut Hall of Fame gallery in Heroes & Legends attraction.

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I'm not a fan of the idea at all.

I'd be happy to have an Apollo 11 statue out there, but it should show examples of all the workers on the project. Maybe for example a pyramid design with each row of the pyramid being different sorts of scientists, technicians, administrators, astronauts from previous missions, etc.

In my opinion, the bottom row should highlight average Americans, who, after all, by their taxes, made the whole thing possible.

I'd be happy to have Armstrong, Aldrin, Collins at the top of the pyramid, but they wouldn't have gotten anywhere near the Moon without all the others.

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I like the idea of a statue of that launch day pose by the crew along with a few KSC workers behind them. Make everyone life size and leave spaces between the workers so visitors could stand alongside them, just like the breadline portion of the FDR memorial in DC. That way average Americans are included.

Bet Neil would have liked that idea better than a larger than life replica of himself and his crew. Besides, until the funds are in the bank, the proposed design is not set in stone, er bronze.

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posted 08-16-2018 03:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for OLDIE     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I prefer the original statue. The launch photo seems far too cluttered. As for including all the men and women who worked on the programme, I think inclusiveness can sometimes be carried too far. A simple statement is sometimes better than a complicated message.

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Originally posted by Fra Mauro:
I like that too but how much of it would be included? Just the crew?
The Apollo transfer van is on display at KSC. The statues could be walking up to the actual van seen in the photo.

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I imagine Mike Collins' legendary modesty would be put to the test with this statue.

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The original idea for the statue was for all 12 moonwalkers to be depicted, but at $3 million it was too expensive. The project was narrowed to just the Apollo 11 crew for $750,000 and a company is now being sought to underwrite the full cost.
...he is confident that he will be able to find a willing suitor, particularly since the sponsor would be able to attach their name to a plaque that will be placed in front of the statue.

"This is just an incredible opportunity to wrap an advertising campaign around the greatest tech achievement in history of mankind," he said. "Nearly two million people a year visit the Kennedy Space Center, and this anniversary event next year is just going to be huge, so $750,000 is really not a lot to pay to be at the center of something like this and have that kind of exposure."

The Lundeens and Bainer, meanwhile, have already started working on clay models of the astronauts in order to have something to show prospective sponsors and to be ready to go when funding is received.

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I feel the statue of just one crew would be a little much. A memorial of some kind (similar to the fallen astronauts wall or something like that) would be smaller, cheaper, and more inclusive.

I tend to be against the "let's include everyone" mentality because that could literally apply to anything and everything in life and in history; However, the Apollo 11 crew, while mega historical, is overdone and everywhere.

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I've always thought the Apollo 1 shot of the crew in their suits standing in front of the pad would make a nice statue.

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Could have a statue of Armstrong and Aldrin shaking hands with Cernan and Schmitt with the tag line, "Well done."

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I like it, but I doubt Armstrong would have liked this very much. I do like the poses, not showing them being all chummy (which most of us know is accurate). An Apollo 12 statue would have had to have had that crew monkeying around or otherwise showing their closeness as a crew.
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I like the idea of a statue of that launch day pose by the crew along with a few KSC workers behind them.
Once you go down the "everyone deserves a statue" trail, it gets silly. Would such a group statue include EVERY demographic that helped out? I can hear it now, "Hey, my great aunt swept the halls at JSC but you didn't include a woman with a broom in this statue, you monsters!"

There's a reason the crews got the press: They were the ones who could (and did with Apollo 1) die both badly and publicly.

I've known several support folks for the Apollo program and none would have a problem being left out in such a statue. In the end, they all knew the end goal was to get Neil and Buzz onto the lunar surface and return them with Mike back to Earth. Everything else was secondary.

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Why not put on the helmets? That way it could represent all the Apollo astronauts. The spot where the mission emblem goes could be a glass circle with each mission emblem lit up as needed. Like say the Apollo 7 emblem would light up during the anniversary of that mission, and so forth.

Either that or have all the mission emblems on the ground in front of the astronauts.

Or better yet, have one fully suited Mercury, Gemini, Apollo and shuttle astronaut to pay tribute to all those who sacrificed their lives for the conquest of space. Somehow the idea of highlighting just one crew and one mission misses the point of the tribute.

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Rocket Mortgage underwrites new statue of Apollo 11 astronauts

A new monument to the crew of the first moon landing will rise from the mission's launch site as the gift from an aptly-named financing company.

Rocket Mortgage by Quicken Loans has partnered with Kennedy Space Center Visitor Complex to erect a bronze statue of Apollo 11 astronauts Neil Armstrong, Buzz Aldrin and Michael Collins. The monument, to be installed this summer, will be the focal point of a new garden outside the display of a Saturn V moon rocket at the Florida spaceport.

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I think the addition of the gathered flag to the original design is a nice touch .

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I admire the quality of the sculpting, but I don't like the statue.

I can excuse its depiction of just the 11 crew, that's normal simplification of history. However, I wish they'd used a pose the crew actually took rather than making one up. This statue tells me nothing about the real Apollo 11 crew or the program. It's all about the thoughts of those who commissioned it, and that includes the recent addition of the flag. Of course it's their money, but I don't really like the idea of something with such an obvious disregard for actual persons and events being displayed so prominently.

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I agree completely with your dislike of the statue. Phony poses that make the astronauts look like gawkers.

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I don't know the sculptors' inspiration (perhaps I'll have a chance to ask them when the statue is dedicated), but to me, the poses evoke what was seen on July 16, 1969 from a location not too far away from where this monument will stand:

If the statue is positioned outside the Apollo/Saturn V Center such that the crew is facing the water, then it will appear as if they are watching their own launch. In fact, it would make for a rather dramatic photo for the next time a crew launches to the moon, with the statue in the foreground.

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This statue tells me nothing about the real Apollo 11 crew or the program. It's all about the thoughts of those who commissioned it.
That is a very good point.

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For what it's worth, this statue, like any of a person or persons from around the world, may depict the astronauts specifically from Apollo 11, but it doesn't necessarily have to show an exact moment in time, i.e., one taken from a photo, a first-hand or historical account.

I'm reminded of the Saint-Gaudens bronze relief sculpture on Boston Common showing the 54th Massachusetts Infantry of African-American Civil War soldiers. A powerful depiction of the men marching led by their colonel, Boston native Robert Gould Shaw, but not depicting a specific battle they were in.

This is, after all, an artist's vision honoring not only the Apollo 11 crew but perhaps the future: I take their pose as looking up at the next launch into space, be it a return to the moon, an asteroid rendezvous and yes, a flight to Mars. They hold the flag as perhaps inspiration to the next generation of explorers to plant another flag during their mission on whatever landing site their spaceship takes them.

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Does anyone know if Neil's family, or if Buzz or Michael were consulted on the "Apollo 11 crew as spectators" design?

I would think that their preferences would carry significant weight although reality being what it is, the Rocket Mortgage sponsors probably have the biggest say.

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The design of the statue precedes Rocket Mortgage coming on as its sponsor.

The sculptors are not new to their craft. It is interesting to read the comments here, as I do not recall many objections to one of the Lundeens' earlier works — the statue of Jack Swigert that stands in the Capitol Building and at Denver International Airport, which is similar in pose and design to Michael Collins in this statue.

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If the statue is positioned outside the Apollo/Saturn V Center such that the crew is facing the water, then it will appear as if they are watching their own launch.

I would think of it as them watching the launches of OTHERS that come later. I'd hope that someday, someone's going to leave KSC for the Moon again or Mars and when they do, assuming this statue is in that location then, that it would represent the spirits (once Buzz and Michael are gone) of all three crewmen from Apollo 11 watching them go.

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I like both Robert's and p51s thoughts about the crew looking out across the water at a launch, especially the idea of them watching a liftoff to the moon, or Mars. In my opinion, it is a nice statue as is.

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This is a great salute to the crew of Apollo 11. Thanks to Rocket Mortgage for sponsoring it.

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I'd like to suggest that a title like "More Giant Leaps For Mankind" or "Onward To New Giant Leaps For Mankind" makes more sense than the "Eagle has landed" quote (just a humble opinion).

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