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LM-12
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posted 10-24-2011 03:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LM-12     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
NASA photo KSC-64PC-0082 is a classic shot of Missile Row at Cape Canaveral as it looked back in 1964. You can even see the VAB under construction in the background. What would that same view look like now? Are any of those original launch towers still standing today?

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No, none of the towers are left. The last ones standing were the two at Complex 36. They were demolished four years ago.

Complex 13 also outlasted all but Pad 36 and Pad 13 was also demolished (it's been six or seven years ago).

What's weird is some of the pads have been removed completely with all traces of the ground concrete pad, skimming (runoff) pond etc removed. I think it may have been a pollution issue.

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posted 10-24-2011 04:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LM-12     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Photo shows the towers for Complexes 36, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 19, 20, 34, 37
  • LC-14 - manned Mercury-Atlas flights
  • LC-19 - manned Gemini-Titan flights
  • LC-34 - Apollo 1 and Apollo 7

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posted 10-24-2011 05:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mjanovec   Click Here to Email mjanovec     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
While Pad 19's umbilical tower is gone, the erector tower is still there, lying in the down position. The white room has been removed and is now on display at the nearby Air Force Space and Missile Museum (which is a stop of the Cape Canaveral "Then and Now" tour). You can see the current condition of Pad 19 here.

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posted 10-24-2011 09:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LM-12     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Is there any type of monument or plaque at Pad 19 to acknowledge the 10 manned Gemini flights?

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Credit: Geoff Franz via Flickr

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posted 10-25-2011 05:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ken Havekotte   Click Here to Email Ken Havekotte     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LM-12:
NASA photo KSC-64PC-0082 is a classic shot of Missile Row at Cape Canaveral as it looked back in 1964.
Indeed, always a favorite photo of mine of "ICBM Missile Row," and also known as "Heavy Launch Row" as they appeared during the mid-1960s.

The Air Force aerial view of the "old Cape Kennedy" depicts a golden era of our nation's missile, rocket and space exploration developments.

You can even see the old Titan III launch pad areas, at far north near the coastline, along with the large Titan ITL assembly and checkout facilities located on man-made islands in the Banana River (at top left in the picture).

Those were the days, huh?

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posted 10-25-2011 09:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for crash   Click Here to Email crash     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I snatched this quick pic a couple of weeks ago as we launched out of Orlando.

You can clearly see that the vegetation is reclaiming what was formerly theirs. Reduced in size for posting.

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posted 10-25-2011 09:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LM-12     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That sounds like an episode of "Life After People". Quite a difference between then and now. Nice photo. You can even see the concrete pedestal at LC-34.

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posted 10-26-2011 07:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ironman One   Click Here to Email Ironman One     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The blockhouse at launch complex 12 was demolished last year along with the Mercury Mission Control Center.

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posted 10-26-2011 08:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LM-12     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Is the Mercury Mission Control Center visible in the 1964 photo?

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posted 10-26-2011 09:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LM-12     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ken Havekotte:
Those were the days, huh?

They certainly were Ken. I like the 1964 Missile Row photo because it shows the launch pads back when Cape Canaveral was a bee-hive of activity.

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posted 10-26-2011 10:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ken Havekotte   Click Here to Email Ken Havekotte     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Is the Mercury Mission Control Center visible in the 1964 photo?
No, the old Mercury Mission Control Center, no longer there, isn't visible in the missile row aerial view.

It's not too far, just south-west, of the Cape's Central Control Road that you can see
heading into the Complex 36B area.

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Okay. Thanks Ken. I was real sorry to see that building demolished.

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I have been working recently on getting the Cape set complete, and we did a shoot at the Cape last year to show the condition at present. I posted some photos from the HD footage we shot at the Cape. We actually could no longer get close to Pad 19, there is some sort of environmental project going on there and the ground around the pad is all torn up and it is blocked off.

But here are a few shots on this blog post.

By the way (I know I'll be asked) 2 of the 3 Cape masters are now complete, and the last will be done in December. Almost there. Looking toward a December release.

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posted 10-26-2011 11:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LM-12     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for all the comments and photos so far. I had never seen that Pad 19 Gemini billboard before.

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posted 10-26-2011 02:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mjanovec   Click Here to Email mjanovec     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
For those who have an interest in learning more about the historic launch sites at the Cape, I highly recommend this book. Sadly, the second edition already appears to be out of print. Used copies of the first edition can still be found for a more reasonable price.

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posted 10-26-2011 03:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LM-12     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here is a link to the Cape Canaveral Air Force Station Virtual Tour of several CCAFS launch pads and launch facilities. Check out the Maps section. It appears that the website was last updated in 2008.

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posted 10-30-2011 05:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for astro-nut   Click Here to Email astro-nut     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That is my favorite photo of Cape Canaveral. Everytime I go to KSCVC I always try to go to the "Cape" area. Just imagine if those launch towers were still there-the stories they could tell us?-Wow! Thanks.

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It does not add a great deal but just after half way through this 1963 clip there is a short aerial view of "Missile Row".

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posted 10-31-2011 07:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for capoetc   Click Here to Email capoetc     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nice video, thanks for posting.

"America's leadership on earth demands its leadership in space..."

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posted 10-31-2011 08:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for tetrox   Click Here to Email tetrox     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There is an extended version of "The Cape 1963" here. In addition there are two contemporary films showing aerial footage of the Cape: 1 and 2.

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posted 10-31-2011 12:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LM-12     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This webpage has lots of Cape Canaveral launch pad and hangar images. Photo KSC-64C-2888 is a north-south view of Missile Row that was also taken in 1964. Looks like the Mercury Mission Control Center didn't quite make it into this photo either. The MCC is (was) southwest of the skid strip runway seen in the distance.

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posted 11-05-2011 11:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jim Behling   Click Here to Email Jim Behling     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There are some schedules from 1967-69 to show how busy NASA was on the Cape: 1 | 2

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posted 11-05-2011 11:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LM-12     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Cape Canaveral certainly was the place to be back in the 1960's.

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To be fair when you do the KSC tour "Then & Now" you do get a sense of nostalgia and that the Cape was the place to be although there is visible signs of nature retaking where mighty rockets once launched from.

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Originally posted by mjanovec:
While Pad 19's umbilical tower is gone, the erector tower is still there, lying in the down position. The white room has been removed and is now on display at the nearby Air Force Space and Missile Museum...
Here's a photo of sunrise over Pad 19 that I took while working at the Cape in August 1997. The white room is still present in this photo. It was removed and restored in 2003.

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posted 11-05-2011 02:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LM-12     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
NASA photo S64-22412 is a nice shot showing part of Missile Row and the unmanned Gemini 1 launch in 1964.

There are a few good photos of the restored Pad 19 Gemini White Room on this webpage from the Cape Canaveral Air Force Space and Missile Museum website.

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posted 11-11-2011 03:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LM-12     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The current active launch pads at Cape Canaveral are LC-37B (Delta 4), LC-41 (Atlas 5) and LC-40 (commercial/Falcon). Is that correct?

It looks like the first MPCV Orion flight will launch on a Delta 4 from Pad 37B.

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LC-46 will be used for an Orion abort test.

Also, the nomenclatures are Delta IV, Atlas V and SLC's.

Why the "commercial" designation for SLC-40? The other pads were developed commercially.

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posted 11-11-2011 07:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LM-12     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have seen the nomenclature written both ways. When I said commercial, I was referring to the Falcon launch vehicle and Dragon spacecraft - both are non-NASA.

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I have seen the nomenclature written both ways.
That doesn't mean its right.

Delta IV and Atlas V are non NASA. Also they were developed much like Falcon 9, using mostly corporate funding.

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The Atlas 5 has launched NASA spacecraft like MRO, LRO and JUNO. The Delta 4 is planned to launch the NASA MPCV Orion spacecraft. There is a NASA connection there.

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Beginning in January, the Falcon will be launching Dragon spacecraft paid for by NASA to carry supplies to the International Space Station. Thus, there is the same connection there, too.

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Falcon will be launching Dragon spacecraft paid for by NASA to carry supplies to the International Space Station.
If NASA is paying for Dragon, would Falcon launches fall under the heading of NASA flights or commercial flights?

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It's a commercial rocket carrying a NASA payload on a NASA mission. The same situation exists whenever Atlas V or Delta IV carries NASA payloads.

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The Atlas 5 has launched NASA spacecraft like MRO, LRO and JUNO. The Delta 4 is planned to launch the NASA MPCV Orion spacecraft.
Those were commercially procured launches. ULA still owns the launch vehicle.

NASA paid about $250 million for the development of Falcon 9 and Dragon. And will spend about $1 billion in SpaceX cargo flights to the ISS.

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Here is a NASA image of Cape Canaveral taken in 1963 that shows the Mercury Mission Control Center undergoing renovations and Missile Row in the distance. The photo was taken shortly after MA-9. The building expansion was for Gemini.

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The astronauts' famous beach house is on Missile Row between LC-40 and LC-41. Was it used by the Mercury and Gemini astronauts, or just later crews?

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Later crews. It was used for many things before that.

By the way, Missile Row only describes complexes 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 19, 20. Some include 36 and 34, but 40 and 41 are not part of it. They are included in the ITL area.


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