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Ken Havekotte
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posted 04-27-2013 08:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ken Havekotte   Click Here to Email Ken Havekotte     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Also known as the Cape Dispensary, the one-story air force BOSU served as a medical clinic, or mini-hospital of sorts, all throughout the Cape-side/CCAFS.

As pointed out, it was here where the Apollo 1 crew were examined after the tragic fire.

During the late 1960s, Hangar Road connected into Cape Road (now called Phillips Parkway) that ended up at Apollo/Saturn 1B Launch Complex 34, just a little over two miles from the clinic, at the heart of the Cape's Industrial Area.

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posted 04-27-2013 08:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LM-12     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The medical clinic must be the building seen in this photo S67-21617.

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posted 04-27-2013 08:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SpaceKSCBlog   Click Here to Email SpaceKSCBlog     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yep, that's it. The driveway in the back. I've gone through there a few times on my own to see it up close.

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posted 04-27-2013 09:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jim Behling   Click Here to Email Jim Behling     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ken Havekotte:
MSOB was the original name...
I have documentation pre-dating its construction calling it the O&C.

Ken Havekotte
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posted 04-27-2013 10:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ken Havekotte   Click Here to Email Ken Havekotte     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That may be true, but there is official internal documentation from the facility itself throughout the Gemini/Apollo program years documenting astronaut crew activities and movements within "MSOB," and not as "O&C."

It would be interesting to know if such early documentation you have is of NASA origin, aerospace contractor, or perhaps from construction sources from the early 1960s?

Most of the documentation that I have seen, used by the building supervisors and crew quarters' personnel, refer to the building as MSOB, though, going back to 1965.

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posted 04-28-2013 09:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jim Behling   Click Here to Email Jim Behling     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ken Havekotte:
It would be interesting to know if such early documentation you have is of NASA origin, aerospace contractor, or perhaps from construction sources from the early 1960s?
  • MSC AMR Operations Facilities 1959-1964 dated April 15, 1963
  • MSC AMR Operations Pamphlet undated. It is after MA-8 (photo of launch is in the document) and refers to times before summer of 1963.
  • AMR MILA S/C Composite Test Plan Facilities Utilization undated. It uses "LEM" and has Apollo and Gemini using the O&C simultaneously.
  • LOC-63-7629
The description is MSC Operations & Checkout Bldg, MILA.

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posted 04-28-2013 12:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ken Havekotte   Click Here to Email Ken Havekotte     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jim, Looks as though, from what you're saying, some of the first documents and planning records are indicating "MSC (Manned Spacecraft Center)..." as a possible "O&C" reference, correct?

You got me curious in going back to some of my own early MSC/MILA files and folders with similar reports, which I will do so this week, and report back here later as time permits.

Either way, though, why the facility was named "MSOB" is not completely clear to me if earlier planning and preliminary reports are indicating otherwise.

By the way, though, I did click on your provided link, LOC-63-7269, but the page was not found, as the site had just indicated a few minutes ago.

Also, Jim, you are correct in response to SpaceKSCBlog, regarding the Apollo 1 crew's hearse route to the Cape's Skid Strip from the BOSU.

As reported from veteran space pool reporter Mary Bubb, while covering the Apollo 1 crew's hearse convoy trip on Jan. 30, 1967, reads, in part:

"Departure of the Apollo Crew (from the) Bioastronautic Operational Support Unit;

Fighting back tears with tight lipped determination, two nurses in crisp white uniforms held open the doors through which the bodies of their friends, the three astronauts, were carried in flag-draped caskets to waiting hearses.

Not a word had been spoken.

It was a strange funeral procession that waited for the proper time to depart for the skid strip; a security police car, three hearses, and a one-ton Air Force truck.

The Cape Road was lined with solemn groups of people in clusters and standing alone. Military men stood at attention or saluted. Missilemen held their hands over their hearts. Some of the workmen held their hard hats over their hearts while others battered straw hats. Women shaded their eyes from the sun and wept. Even at a distance, the ravages of tears could be seen on the faces of women closely connected to the program.

The usual buzzing of a crowd, and the cheerful waving were absent. There wasn't a sound except for the motors of the cars in the procession.

The crowds grew larger as the skid strip was approached.

Cape Kennedy wept openly or cried inside for the three who had been their boys."

Jim Behling
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posted 04-28-2013 01:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jim Behling   Click Here to Email Jim Behling     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Also, when it comes to acronyms, MOSB is the one that is in use since late 80's. It stands for Multi Operations Support Building. It is located in front and slightly to the north of the PHSF.

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The Burns and Roe architectural drawings in the KSC Engineering Documentation Center refer to the building as the Operations and Checkout Building as late as July 1964. The building was first occupied on August 28.

According to "MSC-Florida Operations First" in the Oct. 14, 1964 Space News Roundup, "The majority of MSC-Florida Operations personnel are located in the Manned Spacecraft Operations building, formerly known as the Operations and Checkout Building."

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posted 04-28-2013 11:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LM-12     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Good find. The article continues a few pages later and the complete heading is "MSC-Florida Operations First To Move Into New Merritt Island Facilities."

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Florida Today has an update on the fate of Hangar S. The article also mentions that there is now an historic marker where the Mercury Mission Control Center once stood.
Despite a history dating from the space program's origins through the shuttle era, Hangar S has not yet made the cut as one of the nearly 100 local properties NASA recognizes as historically significant.

Now an Indiana man's objection to that perceived slight has forced Kennedy Space Center to take another look at its facilities and at least delay the hangar's date with a wrecking ball.

"I just can't see how one can escape the conclusion that Hangar S is, in fact, historic," said Steven Kovachevich, a 55-year-old lawyer and real estate broker from Gary, Ind.

...After reading in FLORIDA TODAY last year about NASA's plan to demolish the hangar, Kovachevich started a "Save Hangar S" Web site and nominated the facility for listing on the historic register managed by the National Park Service.

Just in time: The state Division of Historic Preservation, which by law must approve NASA plans for major modifications to potentially historic structures, was reviewing KSC's request to demolish Hangar S.

The state recommended further study.

NASA officials don't dispute that Hangar S supported historic events.

But they say the structure has been modified so much over time that its historic elements and character are long gone, and what's left is simply a shell.

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Here is a photo of the Mercury Mission Control Center marker.
Built on this site in 1957, the Mercury Control Center, later renamed Mission Control, was the United States' first mission control for unmanned and manned space programs under the leadership of the National Aeronautics and Space Administration. The center housed critical launch equipment for the Mercury and Gemini programs. These programs made crucial advancements in the development of spaceflight, including placing astronauts in suborbital and orbital space within and outside a spacecraft, and safely returning them to Earth. The Gemini program was the first American attempt in orbital rendezvous and docking, a critical maneuver used in future manned lunar landings. The control room was dominated by a world map with a miniature spacecraft that tracked the capsule's planned flight path. Teams at the center controlled all flights launched aboard Redstone, Atlas, and the first three Titan II vehicles. After mission control functions were transferred to Houston, Texas, the center provided backup for the initial launch and trajectory. Before the facility's demolition in 2010, its essential historic components were removed for preservation and are displayed at the Kennedy Space Center Visitor Complex.

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There is a huge thread here: Hi Res Images of AFMTC and AMR.

It is more oriented to the heydays of the Cape (the 1950's to early 60's, before KSC existed).

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I keep hearing that Complex 17 is scheduled to be demolished in the near future. Is this correct and when is the demolition suppose to happen?

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posted 07-21-2013 10:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jim Behling   Click Here to Email Jim Behling     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes and it is currently happening.

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posted 07-26-2013 12:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bram   Click Here to Email Bram     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LM-12:
Here is a photo of the Mercury Mission Control Center marker.
I have found some great pics of the abandoned Mercury Control Center before its demolition.

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posted 08-15-2013 12:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jim Behling   Click Here to Email Jim Behling     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There is a request for proposals for the demolition of Hangar S and Hangar AF.

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posted 08-19-2013 05:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LM-12     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The KSC Headquarters Building is on the demolition list, but I am not sure if it is one of the 46 facilities included in this latest demolition contract.

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posted 08-19-2013 09:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jim Behling   Click Here to Email Jim Behling     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The replacement building has to be approved first.

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posted 09-13-2013 12:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LM-12     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
S63-23618 is a rather detailed 1963 drawing of the Merritt Island Launch Area.

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SpaceInHD has some great film footage of activities at Cape Canaveral after the MA-6 flight of John Glenn. Included are scenes of the Mercury 7 astronauts, JFK, the ceremony at Hangar S and several motorcades in the Cape Canaveral area.

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Here is a a document that has all NASA Cape facilities in 1962. It is an LOD document but it has MSC, GSFC and JPL facilities listed. This is before LOC (KSC) was formed.

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Wow Jim, I am so happy you gave all of this wonderful information to us!

I have already spent almost an hour this morning poring over it. The drawings are just chock full of great information. If I ever meet you, I'll buy you a beer!

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This information is fantastic. Always wondered how the astronaut quarters in Hangar S were laid out. This document has the layout.

Thank you for sharing.

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This film shows some of the early facilities at the cape. It is fascinating viewing.

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The Multi Payload Processing Facility (MPPF), where Orion and the interim cryogenic propulsion stage ICPS are fueled, has an interesting history.

It started out as the PSTF-R (Payload Spin Test Facility-Replacement). It was designated as the facility where Space Station Freedom (SSF) propulsion elements would be fueled and refurbished. When SSF was changed to ISS, the MPPF just became another payload processing facility hosting shuttle and ELV payloads.

The facility was turned back over to the ISS program for GSE and flight hardware storage. It was transitioned to the Orion program at the end of the shuttle program.

One might ask why was it called PSTF-R in the first place? The original PSTF was on CCAFS near SLC-17 and early was known as the Delta Spin Test Facility. It was renamed when shuttle payloads started using it. In the late 80's, the Air Force came forward and asked for exclusive use of the facility for set period of time to which NASA agreed. Later, the Air Force requested to have the facility turned over to them permanently* and "they" would provide funding to NASA for a replacement facility. The "they" wasn't the just the Air Force but the NRO.

So, Orion is currently being processed in a facility funded by the NRO.

*The Air Force/NRO didn't keep it "permanently." It was eventually turned over to the Delta II program for booster FTS installation.

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Current Cape pad assignments:
  • LC-11 Blue Origin
  • SLC-13 Phantom Space and Vaya Space (after SpaceX landing agreement expires)
  • SLC-14 Stoke Space
  • SLC-15 ABL Space Systems
  • SLC-16 Relativity Space
  • SLC-20 Firefly Aerospace
  • SLC-36 Blue Origin
  • SLC-37 ULA
  • SLC-40 SpaceX
  • SLC-41 ULA

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Hangar S continues to escape the demolition ball. It's high bay has been gutted. No Shuttle, Lunar Orbiter or Mercury structure remain. Now it is more like the Vanguard configuration.

Don't know if any work is being done in the lean-to's. It might be Blue Origin doing the work. I think it is just being used like a covered construction area, much like Hangar M is (with the new SLC-40 crew access arm sticking out).

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It looks like that old Pad 19 Gemini billboard shown in an earlier post has been spruced up a bit...
There is a relatively new sign installed at LC-19, off ICBM Road. From my research, this is the fifth generation of this sign.

Some history about this sign is posted here, in the June 4, 2010, Sept. 2, 2010 and April 4, 2011 Neat Information Updates.

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Funny about that sign. I thought that the GT-3 mission only lasted three orbits.

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I think some of the "orbits" on the sign are actually revs. There is a difference. Maybe Gemini 3 was 4 orbits (3 revs).

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This question was also raised when this thread began (see the first page).

The consensus then was that the previous sign(s) — like this new one — displays revs, as that was what was used during Gemini. The "orbits" label is an error.

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For the record, about the current sign, the first t in "...the word titan should be capitalized in the second line, and Grissom and Scott don’t have commas after their names before their ranks." Thank you Pete Chitko!

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Some numbers on the sign differ from these numbers found in the Gemini mission reports:
  • Gemini 3 - 4 orbits
  • Gemini 4 - 62 revs
  • Gemini 5 - 120 revs
  • Gemini 7 - 206 revs
  • Gemini 6A - 16 revs
  • Gemini 8 - 7 revs
  • Gemini 9A - 45 revs
  • Gemini 10 - 43 revs
  • Gemini 11 - 44 revs
  • Gemini 12 - 59 revs
It looks to me like some of the numbers on the sign are revs, and some are orbits.

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There are two new signs installed at LC-34, replacing the kiosk that was there for many years. The signs are roughly where the kiosk was, just west of the launch mount.

On the "Footsteps in History: LC-34" sign, in the lower right photo caption, the word "Tess" should be "Test".

There are also three benches, in close proximity to the launch mount, one each for Gus Grissom, Ed White and Roger Chaffee. Notice the coins on Ed White's bench. The other two benches are similar.

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For the March 28 post above showing a new sign at LC-19, if I were passing by it I would grab a piece of chalk and add an 'A' after GT-6 and GT-9, to be more historically accurate.

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No, that is not their official titles.

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I realize that during the flight, MCC used the call sign Gemini VI, but for Gemini IX-A, MCC used Gemini IX while the PAO mission commentator used Gemini IX-A. Also the mission reports prepared following each flight refers to them as Gemini VI-A and Gemini IX-A.

NASA's Gemini Summary, SP-138, published in 1967 refers to the two missions as Gemini VI-A and Gemini IX-A. The report is a product of a two-day technical meeting held at the Manned Spacecraft Center that focused particularly on the outcomes of the last five Gemini missions.

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posted 04-01-2024 04:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tlifan2   Click Here to Email tlifan2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What is happening to LC-14?

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Washington-based Stoke Space has been allocated LC-14 for use with its reusable rocket currently under development. (For additional discussion, see here.


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