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APG85
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posted 04-26-2008 10:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for APG85     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What becomes of all the used Soyuz Capsules? They must be stacking up at this point. Are they all on display or put into storage? Just curious...

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posted 04-26-2008 11:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There are Soyuz on display. Some of the spacecraft flown during Intercosmos missions are now on exhibit in the countries from where their international crew members hailed.

Soyuz 29, onboard Sigmund Jähn flew, is at the Militärhistorisches Museum in Dresden, Germany. Likewise, Zenon Jankowski's Miroslaw Hermaszewski's Soyuz 30 is in Warsaw, Poland.

Soyuz T-6, which launched Jean-Loup Chrétien, is on display at the Musee de l'Air near Paris (where the Paris Air Show is staged).

Soyuz TM-10 is at the National Air and Space Museum in Washington, DC. It was sold at Sotheby's in 1993 for $1.65 million to the Ross Perot Foundation, which in turn loaned it to the museum.

In 2000, Spacehab offered the Soyuz TM-26 descent module for direct sale, and then auctioned it through Superior Galleries. To my knowledge, it failed to meet its reserve.

Unlike in the U.S., where the flown spacecraft are property of the government, the Soyuz belong to its manufacturer, RSC Energia. As such, the company's museum outside Moscow is probably the best place to see multiple Soyuz on display.

The majority of the flown capsules are said to be kept in a Soyuz "junkyard" owned by Energia.

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posted 04-26-2008 12:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for music_space   Click Here to Email music_space     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As I mentioned in an old post: "In Guantanamo, Cuba, at one corner of the Park for the Revolution, lies an former garage which houses a Soyuz -- presumably Soyuz 38 which flew Cuba's Arnaldo Tamayo-Mendez to Salyut 6 in 1980.".

As seen by Sylvain Belair, space journalist from Montreal, Qc.

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posted 04-26-2008 12:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for eurospace   Click Here to Email eurospace     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Robert Pearlman:
Soyuz 29, onboard Sigmund Jähn flew, is at the Militärhistorisches Museum in Dresden, Germany.
Actually, this is no longer correct. Jähn's landing capsule is at the Deutsches Museum für Meisterwerke der Naturwissenschaft and Technik (Deutsches Museum, for short) at Munich.

Also, Vladimir Remek's capsule is at the Museum of Flight in the Prague suburb of Kbely. I went to see it there two years ago.

The Paris suburb's name where the Musée de l'Air is located is "Le Bourget".

This leaves the question for the spacecraft of Mongolia, Bulgaria (2), Hungary, India, Slovakia, Syria, Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Romania, and now Malaysia and South Korea.

Speaking of which: I'll be going to Romania in June. Anybody knows the location of Prunariu's spacecraft there?

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posted 04-26-2008 12:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by eurospace:
Anybody knows the location of Prunariu's spacecraft there?
It is on display at the National Military Museum in Bucharest, the Muzeul Militar National (a photo of the display can be seen here).

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posted 04-27-2008 05:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for E2M Lem Man     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There is a Soyuz, supposedly from an early unmanned flight at Chabot museum outside Oakland, CA.

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posted 04-28-2008 08:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FFrench     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by eurospace:
This leaves the question for the spacecraft of Mongolia, Bulgaria (2), Hungary, India, Slovakia, Syria, Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Romania, and now Malaysia and South Korea.
I do, very vaguely, recall on a 1990 visit to India that the spacecraft had been on display in that country but no longer was by then. I found literature referencing its prior display while on that visit.

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posted 06-11-2008 09:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for eurospace   Click Here to Email eurospace     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Robert Pearlman:
It is on display at the National Military Museum in Bucharest, the Muzeul Militar National.
Thank you, Robert. Will check that out when I'm there (and if I have the time).

Another backup question to that and possibly only to be answered by an insider: my travel guide says there would soon be an Air Force Museum at Bucarest and some of the exhibits would be transferred to it once they open. Obvious question: would the landing capsule be one of those objects to be transferred?

Tricky question, I know, but perhaps there is someone from Romania onboard here...

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posted 06-11-2008 02:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kirsten   Click Here to Email Kirsten     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by eurospace:
This leaves the question for the spacecraft of Mongolia, Bulgaria (2), Hungary, India, Slovakia, Syria, Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Romania, and now Malaysia and South Korea.
The one of Syria is on display in Damascus, as I heard from another space collector who has been there. I don't know where exactly. And I wouldn't be surprised if the one of Mongolia were on display somewhere in Ulaan Baatar, but I have missed it when I was there 4 years ago.

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posted 06-11-2008 05:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dom   Click Here to Email dom     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The National Space Centre in Leicester, England had a Soyuz return capsule on display.

Although I'm not sure if it was a flown or training version, I seem to remember hearing that it was bought in Georgia just after the break-up of the USSR.

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posted 06-11-2008 06:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ColinBurgess   Click Here to Email ColinBurgess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was in Ulaan Baatar this time last year, and the spacecraft is definitely not there. Through locals I sought out anything on this flight and there is a nice display in their National Museum, but it only contains smaller items such as gloves and commemorative patches and such. They are very proud of Gurragcha there, but it is also a very poor country, so they would likely not have the fundng to possess or display a Soyuz craft.

There is a spacesuited statue purporting to be Gurragcha outside of a railway station before you get to Ulaan Baatar, but it is facing away from the platform and you're not permitted to leave the train while in transit. However when you see photos on the 'net of the front of the statue it is merely representative of his space flight, and doesn't resemble him in the slightest.

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posted 06-12-2008 10:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kirsten   Click Here to Email Kirsten     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by ColinBurgess:
There is a spacesuited statue purporting to be Gurragcha outside of a railway station before you get to Ulaan Baatar, but it is facing away from the platform and you're not permitted to leave the train while in transit. However when you see photos on the 'net of the front of the statue it is merely representative of his space flight, and doesn't resemble him in the slightest.
The one in Choyr, you mean? We had a visa for Mongolia, and the train stopped for long enough at that station, so I was able to get out of the train there to take some pictures of it.

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posted 06-13-2008 12:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ColinBurgess   Click Here to Email ColinBurgess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Kirsten: different train, different timetable obviously. We only stopped at Choyr for five minutes and the compartment guard would not allow anyone to go any further than three metres from the carriage door, even though he was very impressed that I knew the name of his countryman cosmonaut.

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posted 06-17-2008 11:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jay Chladek   Click Here to Email Jay Chladek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
For a while, the Kansas Cosmosphere had a Soyuz T training mockup interior on display there in the lobby entrance to the museum. But I haven't seen it in the last few visits I've made there during the past three years. So I don't know if they still have it and it is just not on display or if it has been loaned out to another museum.

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posted 06-17-2008 12:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for STEVE SMITH   Click Here to Email STEVE SMITH     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jay, I hope I'm addressing the same thing you are referencing.

Cosmosphere made a training module for NASA for training in case they had to use the Soyuz for an emergency exit from ISS.

It has been returned and is upstairs in the class room just to the left when youy walk in.

I went to adult (being an adult is a stretch for me) astronaut camp a few years ago. Our 3 man crew spent some time in it. I was amazed how uncomforatable and crowded it was. And none of us were big and we weren't wearing bulky suits. It is amazing to me of the mind over matter dedication these people put into to their work. I was stiff that night from 30 minutes in there, let alone 3 days. And not having to be in peak mode all the time to operate.

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posted 07-15-2008 02:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for eurospace   Click Here to Email eurospace     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Robert Pearlman:
Tricky question, I know, but perhaps there is someone from Romania onboard here...

Now back from Romania, I can answer the question myself: the Soyuz 40 return capsule is still at the Bucarest Museum of Military History. It's inside the Aviation Pavilion in the courtyard of the museum. When I visited the museum on a Saturday, I found the aviation hall closed, but an instructor teaching young Romanians the use of classical rifles nearby was so kind to look for the lady with the key and they let me in.

The display shows the landing apparatus with the landing parachute deployed. The craft is signed by FOUR cosmonauts, and one wonders how they fit in.

Nearby, Prunariu's space suit is exhibited, and there is a photo wall showing color photos of his training and mission. Everything has the appearance of being unchanged since its arrival in the museum, probably in the very early 80s.

In the main building, the chronological exhibition also shows another important relic of the history of spaceflight: a book by the Austrian artillerie captain Conrad Haas showing considerations about the use of rockets and even a concept of multi-stage rockets. Most fascinating...

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posted 09-15-2008 04:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for eurospace   Click Here to Email eurospace     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In reply to the question I had asked Dumitru Prunariu about the four signatures on his landing craft, he responds: "The 4 signatures of cosmonauts on my landing module are from the 10th Anniversary of my space flight. The original ones put by me and Popov after the landing were deleted when the module was prepared to be sending to Romania.

There is no direct connection with the national Military Museum you visited and the Aviation museum. Each has its own exposed things."

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posted 06-30-2010 01:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MarylandSpace   Click Here to Email MarylandSpace     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What is the status of the used Soyuz capsules? Are many of them on display in museums?

Editor's note: Threads merged.

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posted 03-29-2011 12:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MrSpace86   Click Here to Email MrSpace86     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by music_space:
In Guantanamo, Cuba, at one corner of the Park for the Revolution, lies an former garage which houses a Soyuz -- presumably Soyuz 38 which flew Cuba's Arnaldo Tamayo-Mendez to Salyut 6 in 1980.
The Soyuz spacecraft was moved to the Guantanamo Museum to commemorate the 30th anniversary of Arnaldo Tamayo-Mendez' flight. He was born in said city.

His spacesuit is located at the Museum of the Revolution in Havana, Cuba.

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posted 03-29-2011 01:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hart Sastrowardoyo   Click Here to Email Hart Sastrowardoyo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There's supposed to be a Russian Soyuz coming to New Jersey, for display. More when I know more.

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posted 07-18-2011 02:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hart Sastrowardoyo   Click Here to Email Hart Sastrowardoyo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Olsen's TMA-6 capsule will starting July 20 be on display at the Market Fair in Princeton, NJ until October 18.

Olsen will be there for the installation, nothing firm, no formal plans as to other astronauts or cosmonauts.

Following the capsule's run, it is hoped that the capsule will be displayed on the Intrepid Sea-Air-Space Museum in NYC.

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posted 07-20-2011 12:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hart Sastrowardoyo   Click Here to Email Hart Sastrowardoyo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Story to come later, but:

Gregory H. Olsen, third self-funded space traveler, with his Soyuz TMA-6 capsule that brought him back to Earth. The capsule will for a few months be displayed at Market Fair, a shopping mall in Princeton, allowing Olsen to share the capsule with more people than displaying it at a school or library. 20 July 2011, Princeton, NJ

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posted 07-20-2011 03:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for moorouge   Click Here to Email moorouge     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by dom:
The National Space Centre in Leicester, England had a Soyuz return capsule on display.
The Spacecentre, Leicester website under a photo of the Soyuz says (and I quote word for word including the date...):
Our 1960 Soyuz capsule from the Soviet Union. It was discovered in a car park in Georgia and brought back to the National Space Centre for conservation.
No - I haven't miscopied the date. I checked several times.

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posted 07-21-2011 08:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hart Sastrowardoyo   Click Here to Email Hart Sastrowardoyo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A set of photos from Olsen's Soyuz TMA-6 capsule can now be seen online. I will be adding commentary where appropriate. One of the neat things is seeing a Saab a few feet away from the capsule, and comparing the two sizes. (For the record: the length of a Soyuz return capsule is just a shade under 2-1/4 meters, or a little over 7 feet.)

Olsen thought about displaying the capsule at a public school or a university, but realized that it would be get the most public viewing - as well as be indoors - by having it displayed at the Market Fair mall, on Route 1 in Princeton, NJ. (As well, Sensors Unlimited is just about across the street, he said.)

The capsule is on display from now until Oct. 18. Afterward, it is to be displayed at the Intrepid Sea-Air-Space Museum in New York City. It will displayed on the hangar deck (my presumption; Olsen said "flight deck," which is outside) but eventually will be displayed in the same enclosure that will be built to house Enterprise.

Editor's note: See updates posted to: Intrepid Sea, Air & Space: Soyuz TMA-6

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posted 06-26-2013 02:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for YankeeClipper   Click Here to Email YankeeClipper     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This list was accurate as of early 2013...
  • Soyuz 7K-OK (Chabot Space & Science Center Oakland/USA)
  • Soyuz 7K-OK (National Space Centre Leicester/UK)
  • Soyuz 19 Mock (National Air and Space Museum Washington DC/USA)
  • Soyuz 28 (Letecké Muzeum Kbely Prague/Czech Republic)
  • Soyuz 29 (Deutsches Museum Munich/Germany)
  • Soyuz 30 (Muzeum Polskiej Techniki Wojskowej Warsaw/Poland)
  • Soyuz 33 (Museum of Aviation Plovdiv Krumovo/Bulgaria)
  • Soyuz 35 (Közlekedési Múzeum Budapest/Hungary)
  • Soyuz 36/37? (Vietnamese People's Air Force Museum Hanoi/Vietnam)
  • Soyuz 38 (Museo Provincial Guantánamo/Cuba)
  • Soyuz 40 (Muzeul Militar National Bucharest/Romania)
  • Soyuz T-6 (Musée de l'Air et de l'Espace Le Bourget Paris/France)
  • Soyuz T-10 (Nehru Planetarium, New Delhi/ India)
  • Soyuz TM-10 (National Air and Space Museum Washington DC/USA)
  • Soyuz TMA-6 (Intrepid Sea Air and Space Museum New York/USA)
  • Soyuz TMA-14 (Museum of Flight Seattle/USA)

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