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NovaRob
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Originally posted by 328KF:
Very appropriate, but what we should really hope for is a lunar base named after him.
I agree.

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From the Kennedy Space Center Visitor Complex:
Please join us on Thursday, Jan. 11 for a remembrance ceremony honoring NASA astronaut John Young. The event will take place outside of Heroes and Legends featuring the Astronaut Hall of Fame at 12:00 noon. John Young will be honored by fellow astronauts Bob Cabana and Jon McBride.

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posted 01-09-2018 09:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Larry McGlynn   Click Here to Email Larry McGlynn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was thinking about John Young.

Tom and Gene thought that he looked like Charlie Brown.

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When I was the McDonnell Douglas Airlock Systems Engineering and Integration Manager I had an opportunity to have a one-on-one engineering discussion with John Young following a presentation I made regarding the design of one of the Space Station Airlock Hatches. Here's some background:

After a trade study redesigned the Airlock from a single, spherical structure to two different diameter structures, the Equipment Lock and Crew Lock, a hatch needed to be designed to seal the bulkhead between the two chambers. The requirements were that it had to seal on the Equipment Lock side of the bulkhead during an EVA when there was 0 Atm. in the Crew Lock and on the Crew Lock side of the bulkhead when a hyperbaric procedure, at 6 Atm. was performed in the Crew Lock. This meant that the hatch had to pass through the opening in the bulkhead, which had never been required of any previous hatch flown in space. There were many other requirements that the hatch had to meet related to window locations and view angles, the ability to pass tools and/or medical equipment through the hatch, emergency opening time, weight, size, etc. The trade study was complex and the McDonnell Douglas team designed a hatch that would not require latches; it used a pre-load mechanism to provide the initial loading on a double set of O-rings around the perimeter of the hatch and air pressure to provide the final sealing. We choose this design for two reasons: weight savings and eliminating the possibility of a latch, or latches, binding and not allowing the hatch to open. With the Crew Lock pressurized at 6 Atm. with 100 percent oxygen during a hyperbaric procedure it was essential that the crew be able to evaucate the Crew Lock as rapidly as possible. I was a strong advocate of this design as I reminded many of the younger members of the team and NASA about the Apollo 1 fire.

Now here's the John Young part. After the meeting John Young asked me to step into his office. When I did he mentioned that he was glad we recommended a hatch design without latches. He said he advocated such a design for the Shuttle but it was not approved. I don't recall if he was referring to the Shuttle's main hatch or Airlock hatch, or both. And subsequent to this discussion there was a Shuttle mission when the planned EVA had to be cancelled because of a failure of a latch to open, preventing the astronauts from entering the Shuttle's Airlock.

A 'flight-like' hatch was fabricated and tested by EMU suited astronauts and it worked as designed. Although NASA did approve using the hatch design without latches it never flew as the design of the Airlock was significantly changed and the requirement to perform a hyperbaric procedure was eliminated. However, the two chamber Airlock configuration was adopted and is part of the current ISS.

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John Young had many firsts and unique accomplishments during his career that aren't often mentioned:
  • Member of the 1st multi-manned U.S. spacecraft crew;
  • The first non-Mercury U.S. astronaut to fly in space;
  • First astronaut assigned to a 2nd Gemini prime crew;
  • First astronaut to perform rendezvous with two different target vehicles on a single mission;
  • First human to orbit the moon solo;
  • First human to enter lunar orbit twice;
  • First to fly the same spacecraft twice.
I'm sure there are more I haven't listed.

OV-105
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Reading everything that has been posted about John Young makes me wonder what would have been if 51-L had not happened. Young flying 61-J and deploying the Hubble. Would he have flown again after that or would that have been it with seven flights?

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quote:
Originally posted by Larry McGlynn:
Tom and Gene thought that he looked like Charlie Brown.
Larry, I was listening to a 1969 pre-flight interview of Stafford on the Spacecraft Films Apollo 10 set. Even at the time of the flight, he did not recall who first came up with the Snoopy name, but he knew that they picked that first.

It had a dual connection with the "snooping" they would be doing down low over the moon, and plus fit with the Snoopy awards that are well-known employee mementos. He said that once Snoopy was settled on, Charlie Brown naturally followed.

Stafford didn't at the time make any mention of Young resembling the bald cartoon character. If you happen to have the set, the interview is the soundtrack for the rollout videos.

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Originally posted by OV-105:
Would he have flown again after that or would that have been it with seven flights?
Young was 55 when Challenger happened. Vance Brand commanded a flight at age 59. With the projected flight rate, there's little reason to doubt that Young could have flown several more missions. I'd be willing to bet he'd have made it to 10 spaceflights total.

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So, here is the "purist" in me: I certainly hope that at John Young's funeral, that NASA T-38s are used for the flyover, vs. simply whatever tactical aircraft are at the nearest military base to the burial site. The man had 9,000 hours+ in them, it is the least we can do. I'm fairly certain there will be a separate flyover at KSC on Thursday.

On a related topic, does anyone have any insight into the funeral arrangements for Captain Young?

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Another John Young "wow" factoid: when he joined NASA, Scott Carpenter had most recently flown MA-7 and Wally Schirra was preparing to fly MA-8. JFK was President.

When he left, the International Space Station was in orbit and permanently manned. Apollo lunar landing artifacts were relegated to museums. GW Bush was President.

When you think of all the history in between, that's really impressive. I don't know that anyone else can match that. Yet.

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Originally posted by Colokent:
...does anyone have any insight into the funeral arrangements for Captain Young?
To my knowledge, if arrangements have been made, they have not been shared publicly as of today.

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Originally posted by 328KF:
He said that once Snoopy was settled on, Charlie Brown naturally followed.
I knew Gene pretty well. I stayed at his home twice, he stayed with at my home twice. We traveled together several times. I helped produce his film. I have known Tom for several years. Loaned Apollo 10 material to his museum. Helped recover stolen artifacts for his museum in the past two years.

Gene told me about John and Charlie many times, because I own the paintings of each character from the mission.

I talked with Tom two days ago when we talked about John. Tom met John in 1949 on a midshipman cruise about the USS Missouri.

Gene and Tom both told me that they thought John looked like Charlie Brown.

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No offense Larry. I was simply pointing out that in the period interview, Stafford told a different story. Memories change with time.

Larry McGlynn
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posted 01-10-2018 02:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Larry McGlynn   Click Here to Email Larry McGlynn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No problem John.

I was pointing out where I got my information. I have found over the years that what people tell the public is different from their intended reasons. I wrote about that that situation after an astronaut interview in a class paper. It was long footnote posing the question of when (if ever) does the interviewer develop the trust of the interviewee.

That said, this is a thread to honor John's memory. I should have posted the link on the paintings to another thread.

John was another great one who has gone in the last year. Since 2016, we have lost Edgar Mitchell, Gene Cernan, Paul Weitz, Dick Gordon, Bruce McCandless from the Apollo years. It has been a great loss.

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Photos from today's (Jan. 11) brief memorial for John Young at the Kennedy Space Center Visitor Complex in Florida. Delaware North COO Therrin Protze, Kennedy Space Center director Bob Cabana and former astronaut Jon McBride and Mike McCulley took part in the public remembrance. (Credit: NASA/Frank Michaux)

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Kennedy Space Center Visitor Complex video
In memory of NASA astronaut John Young, Kennedy Space Center Director Bob Cabana placed a memorial wreath at the Heroes and Legends exhibit at the center's visitor complex. The brief ceremony took place on the afternoon of Jan. 11, 2018.

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Thank you Captain Young for serving our country as a Naval Aviator and NASA Astronaut. Your dedication to the NASA Program will never be forgotten!

Thoughts and prayers to the Young Family. God Bless!

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John Young will be buried in Arlington?

Robert Pearlman
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Information regarding John Young's interment has not been made public.

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On May 14, Johnson Space Center held a memorial service and tree planting ceremony in honor of John Young. Michael Collins, Bob Crippen, Mike Coats, Butch Wilmore and Ellen Ochoa delivered remarks, as did former NASA administrator Michael Griffin.

Five alumns of George Tech, Young's alma mater, flew the missing man formation, including astronauts Doug Wheelock and Shane Kimbrough.

Photos courtesy Roger Weiss.


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