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Robert Pearlman
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posted 11-24-2010 10:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Would anyone have handy the Mission Elapsed Time (MET) intervals or other reference as to when John Young was serving as capcom during the Apollo 13 mission?

Unfortunately, a searchable Apollo Lunar Surface Journal-like reference for Apollo 13 is not (yet) available.

Sy Liebergot
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posted 11-24-2010 12:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sy Liebergot   Click Here to Email Sy Liebergot     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Robert, the Apollo 13 Manning List does not have Young listed as a capcom. Only Kerwin, Brand and Lousma. However, there were about a dozen surrounding Jack Lousma soon after the O2 tank blew. I emailed you the page of the mailing listing the capcoms. See you at Spacefest III.

Robert Pearlman
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posted 11-24-2010 01:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Sy, for the reply and the scan.

I know Young served as Apollo 13 back-up commander but I was under the (perhaps mistaken) impression that he served as capcom. Maybe his role was not official but I am trying to determine if/when he spoke directly with the crew...

Sy Liebergot
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posted 11-24-2010 03:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sy Liebergot   Click Here to Email Sy Liebergot     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I reviewed all of the Apollo manning lists 8-17. Young's name appears only once on the Apollo 17 manning list as one of three astronauts on shift three. He apparently didn't habituate the MOCR as was most of the Apollo astronauts' practice.

By the way, at at an autograph signing session video interview, John stated that he was looking over my shoulder when the tank blew on Apollo 13 and said, "That doesn't look like an instrumentation problem to me." Of course, that was totally false, so I believe that John was kidding the interviewer. Really pretty funny.

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posted 11-24-2010 03:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NJSPACEFAN   Click Here to Email NJSPACEFAN     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Haven't come across Young as capcom - even temporarily, though Charlie Duke did serve temporarily as CapCom since he was the Backup LMP and read up all the procedures for the PC+2 burn.

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posted 11-24-2010 03:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There is a photo (S70-34902) -- taken following the emergency -- that shows Young seated at the capcom console alongside Lousma (identified as capcom) and Deke Slayton, with Brand and Mattingly standing behind them.

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posted 11-24-2010 03:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sy Liebergot   Click Here to Email Sy Liebergot     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by NJSPACEFAN:
Charlie Duke did serve temporarily as CapCom since he was the Backup LMP and read up all the procedures for the PC+2 burn.
Yes, I believe that is correct about Duke. Robert, you can see that I wrote in the Dukester's name on the A-13 manning list sheet I sent to you.

Sy Liebergot
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posted 11-24-2010 03:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sy Liebergot   Click Here to Email Sy Liebergot     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Robert Pearlman:
There is a photo (S70-34902)...
Ah yes, one of my favorite A-13 pix. The crowd of astronauts grew to about a dozen. By the way, guess on which console the photog was sitting to take that pic?

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posted 11-24-2010 04:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NJSPACEFAN   Click Here to Email NJSPACEFAN     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Robert, if you go to the Mission Commentary and do a search for "Young" you will find a few times John Young does step in and replaces Jack Lousma, Vance Brand and Joe Kerwin briefly as Capcom.

For example:

Apollo 13 Mission Commentary, 4/11/70, 5:34 PM 39/2

PAO Astronaut John Young who was backup commander for Apollo 13 is now serving as capsule communicator in place of Astronaut Joe Kerwin.

02 06 25 18 CMP Okay, Houston; Apollo 13.
02 06 25 22 CC Roger. Go ahead, 13.
02 06 25 28 CMP Okay. The LMP has entered the LM.
02 06 25 31 CC Roger.
02 06 25 37 CMP Is that Big John?
02 06 25 39 CC It sure is. How're you doing?
02 06 25 43 CMP Fine.
02 06 25 44 CC Yes, you're doing great, man.
02 06 25 49 CMP Thank you. I had a good CDR.
02 06 25 54 CC You're doing it on your own now.
02 06 26 01 LMP Yes, it feels like I'm back at home, again, John,
down in here.
02 06 26 04 CMP I hope you did a good job, John.
02 06 26 06 CC Roger.

Robert Pearlman
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posted 11-24-2010 04:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Excellent, that's exactly what I hoped to find. Many thanks!

Ken Havekotte
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posted 11-24-2010 06:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ken Havekotte   Click Here to Email Ken Havekotte     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There you have it as reported above! My original mission commentaries confirm that Young did step in on a few occasions as a temporary Capcom for Apollo 13.

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posted 11-25-2010 07:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Delta7   Click Here to Email Delta7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
While we're on the subject, does anyone know who were supposed to be the Apollo 13 EVA capcoms?

Robert Pearlman
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posted 11-25-2010 07:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Per the document Sy forwarded, the mission capcoms were:
  • Shift 1: Joseph Kerwin
  • Shift 2: Vance Brand
  • Shift 3: Jack Lousma
  • Shift 4: Charlie Duke
According to the Apollo Lunar Surface Journal, Tony England was to have been the EVA capcom.

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