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posted 03-09-2008 07:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for set   Click Here to Email set     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I see that the surface-flown A14 flag has a bid of $50000 at this point, while the surface-flown A16 has not even been opened at $5000! Am I missing something here? Why the huge bid on the A14? Has one never come to market before?

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Originally posted by set:
I see that the surface-flown A14 flag has a bid of $50000 at this point, while the surface-flown A16 has not even been opened at $5000! Am I missing something here? Why the huge bid on the A14? Has one never come to market before?

Looks like someone needs an A14 flag to finish a set ...

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Good question... How did that happen? Maybe a bit early, anyway, I always wanted to know how the moonwalkers knew the difference between surface and flown. Did they take one package and left it on the Command Module and took another package to the surface? Does anybody know the answer... I sure would like to know.

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Originally posted by Michael:
Did they take one package and left it on the Command Module and took another package to the surface?
In a word, yes.

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posted 03-10-2008 10:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for rchappel   Click Here to Email rchappel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There is no way that the $50,000 bid (really with BP, $59,750) for the A14 surface flown flag is legitimate. NO way. The only possible exception is that the buyer does not understand what the lot really is.

Also, I do not think the bid would show that high unless two bidders were up at those levels since they use the Maximum Bid thing.

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posted 03-10-2008 10:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for rchappel   Click Here to Email rchappel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wait a miunte -- I might be wrong about my previous post. I just noticed they give you six months to pay.

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posted 03-11-2008 04:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for atpowell     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just curious if anyone has received their Heritage print catalog yet? I keep coming home from work and rushing to the mailbox in hopeful anticipation. (I know it's online, but there's something about curling up with a pad of post-it notes and your dreams...)

- Albrecht

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posted 03-11-2008 04:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for set   Click Here to Email set     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Just curious if anyone has received their Heritage print catalog yet?
I received mine in the mail about a week ago.

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The catalog is indeed very beautiful...a stunning list of flown items (including some amazing aviation pieces). While there is very little here within my price range, I can't help but be impressed by what's up for bidding.

I have to say I'm a little bit disappointed with how the autographed lithos from the "Buzzy" collection were listed. Grouping the signed lithos into "missions" is going to make them a little harder to purchase for those on limited budgets, I believe. Some of us only need one or two signed lithos, yet the auctions will favor those who want groups of lithos...not single pieces...and those who can afford to buy the full lots. For those who may have only wanted one of the Apollo 1 crew members, for example, the only options are to try to win all three lithos (no cheap feat) or not to bid at all.

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posted 03-11-2008 05:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for andrewcli   Click Here to Email andrewcli     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi, I called HA today inquiring my catalogue request submitted almost a month ago. They said it was mailed out yesterday.

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Just a note about the 1992 Gathering of Eagles lithograph that is listed, as I mentioned before I believe it is way over priced but you can read my earlier post for that information. What I wanted to clarify is that unless 2 signatures were added after the GOE event there are only 20 signatures plus the artists on the print, not 22 like the headline says. If you look at the description and count the names of the aviators that signed it, there are clearly only 20 names. Any way I'm not sure if anyone cares I just thought that I would mention it.

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Attention All Robbins Medallion Collectors -

In addition to the many flown Robbins Medallions, the March 25 Heritage Air & Space Auction contains quite a few unflown Robbins Medallions that come directly from the collection of moonwalker Apollo 16 LMP Charles M. Duke, Jr. Many are from the earlier STS missions, ASTP and Skylab and are offered with no reserve at beginning bid prices starting as low as $200.

Each of these medallions comes with a signed letter of certification from Charles M. Duke, Jr. on his Apollo 16 letterhead.

Register now!

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I have noticed some flown tie pins on the forthcoming Heritage Auction. Can anyone tell me the price you could expect to pay for such an item?

I specifically mean Stafford's Apollo 10 Lem flown tie pin, flown to 50,000 feet above the moon, and Dick Gordon's flown to the surface Apollo 12 tie pin.

Thanks
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Dick Gordon was offering his flown tie pin a while back on his website; from memory he was asking $5,000 but I may be wrong. He subsequently withdrew it... perhaps in anticipation of a better price at auction.

As for the Apollo X clip, you would expect to pay $800 to $1000 for an Apollo 9 example but the proximity of the moon to Stafford's flight would add perhaps another $1000 to that.

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Interesting that bids in on the three A7 flown items are already greater than their cost on Walt Cunninghams website. And the live auction hasn't even begun!!

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posted 03-19-2008 08:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for capoetc   Click Here to Email capoetc     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Interesting that bids in on the three A7 flown items are already greater than their cost on Walt Cunninghams website. And the live auction hasn't even begun!!
First of all, I see that was your first post, so ...welcome to cS!

I noticed that too. I wonder if it means that there are "new" collectors bidding in the auction who aren't aware of Cunningham's site? Or are there speculators bidding? Or does it not mean anything at all?

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I think a lot of buyers will be non-specialists with very deep pockets and no real idea of the possible 'market value' of items they're bidding on.

In many cases they might well think an item is more or less unique. The people bidding on the Apollo 14 flag may well be under the impression that it is the flag unfurled on the lunar surface.

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posted 03-19-2008 02:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lunareagle   Click Here to Email lunareagle     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I remember traveling to New York in 1999 for the Christie's Space Auction. What an event. The first time a major auction house thought enough of Space to host an event dedicated exclusively to it. The reception was great, and to have the chance to talk one on one with Tom Stafford and Walter Cunningham, was just a thrill. I was able to purchase one item from that sale, and I am still happy today that I am able to say that I was there and a participant in that history making event.

It's been along time coming for sure, but the Heritage Auction next Tuesday preceded on Monday evening with a rececption to be attended by so many of our greatest astronauts, is setting up to be another one of those great moments for Space.

I hope everyone has received or at least ordered a catalogue for this momentus occasion. There are certainly items for all Air & Space collectors in every price range. I have the feeling it will be another special time for the Space venue, and collectors who participate will likely look back upon this event like I still remember the 1999 Christie's one.

The Christie's sale brought in many new collectors who didn't know you could own a piece of mankind's greatest adventures. This sale should do the same.

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Originally posted by lunareagle:
I remember traveling to New York in 1999 for the Christie's Space Auction.
Three cheers for Gregg Linebaugh for bringing us that Christie's Auction and getting the ball rolling!

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I must admit I'd held out some faint hope that some of the flown items would open at a lower price and maybe give me a chance to get some goodies.

Looking through the HA site and eBay advance bidding I'm afraid that this is certainly not going to be the case. The vast majority of items have bids at the opening prices and many have already climbed way up.

It's going to be a very amzing auction for those with five or six figure budgets but more of a spectator sport for the rest.

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58328: Astronaut Jim Irwin's Armed Forces ID Badge ...Military ID cards are DOD property and technically required to be either returned or destroyed after expiration... surprised to see this up for auction.

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I'm surprised that even fairly recent passports can be traded on the open market - not that anyone's going to impersonate Aldrin!

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I thought a number of items in the auction looked familiar:

A cursory review shows that 58169, 58170, 58140, 58151 all appeared in the Sept 2007 Heritage auction. 25174 was in the last Regency auction.

Were these items unsold last time or is this speculative recycling by dealers? At least one is listed with a significantly increased target price.

Paul

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Apollo 11 Command Module Flown Trans-Lunar Coast Black Star Chart, lot #58156

Hard to believe that this item had an estimated price of just $1,000 - $1,500 in the 1993 sale. It sold for just $2,300!

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If you look back at the early Superior sales (ie 1993-94), you will find that virtually everything was sold at a fraction of today's value. At the time there were few collectors and limited competition in auction. Nobody had any idea as to a real market "value". Yet, had those sales not taken place, the market would still be fragmented today. The sales served the ultimate purpose of educating collectors as to what material was out there and attracting them to the hobby. We all owe a debt of gratitude to those collectors who jumped into the unknown to purchase the items offered. That they are worth multiples of the purchase price today is their reward. Who can say if the prices paid today will be mere multiples of what will be paid in the next 15 years? None of us back then had any idea of market value or rarity factors. We all learned together.

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Boy is this getting exciting... Fox 5 News here in New York just did a 20 second piece on tomorrow's auction.

The items they highlighted were both flown: the G12 Aldrin patches and the A14 shovel.

Let's take a step back here and think about this...

A 10PM News program in New York just ran a piece on a space memorabilia auction. Dare I say this hobby is "going public" tomorrow? Is this auction the IPO for the masses on our hobby? I know this hobby has been in the news before (for example, the price realized on Buzz's A11 choice words on yahoo.com last year), but has there ever been a TV news story dedicated to an upcoming space auction?

Interesting to think about...

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posted 03-24-2008 10:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It sounds like Fox News clued in on the Associated Press article that ran on the wires earlier today.

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posted 03-25-2008 09:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for freshspot   Click Here to Email freshspot     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Last night's reception was great.

It is fun to speak with the astronauts about their items prior to bidding.

Dave Scott
(not the astronaut)

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posted 03-25-2008 01:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for freshspot   Click Here to Email freshspot     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm on the floor of the auction. Spending some money...

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Congratulations to those who won items at this auction.

As I expected I was mostly a spectator in this one. There were some impressive prices, but the items were impressive-enough to warrant them. If I'd had the budget I would have been happy to pay those kind of prices for those one-of-a-kind items.

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posted 03-25-2008 04:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for rchappel   Click Here to Email rchappel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yikes.

Good news for me: I already own an A11 Robbins ($28K and $22K today!!!!). Thank goodness.

Bad news for me: I don't think I'm ever going to get that A17 Robbins I need to complete my collection ($26K today!!!!).

Wow.

OTOH, pretty interesting how little the Gemini Fliteline medallions generally went for. It loked like most of them went for the minimum bid amount.

Also intersting that some of the Robbins medallions from earlier Apollo missions like A9 and A7 haven't really seemed to increase in price at all over the last few years . . .

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OTOH, pretty interesting how little the Gemini Fliteline medallions generally went for. It loked like most of them went for the minimum bid amount.

The lack of interest in the Gemini Program is unfortunate. Without Gemini, there would be no Apollo moon landings. Someday people may actually wake up and start to appreciate that program a bit more.

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I couldn't agree more re Gemini.

I bought six of the flitelines, I thought they were cheap, they make more than that on astroauction!

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posted 03-25-2008 06:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cddfspace   Click Here to Email cddfspace     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
When do you find out who won and what the winning bids were? Thanks,

CDDFSPACE

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posted 03-25-2008 06:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The prices realized can now be found on Heritage's website.

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...But the Apollo 14 lunar scoop is extraordinary...Yes please! Steve

Steve, GREAT NEWS! Your shovel is still available to Buy Now for the sale price of only $161,325! However, they ARE taking offers. You might be able to get it for a song ;-)

One of the few good deals remaining IMHO as a Buy Now is #58100 the Gemini 11 Flown Fliteline for $956. Very reasonable.

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Heh heh! I was just checking out that "Buy Now" page.

I think another bargain, relatively speaking, would be the Edward H. White II photo of his EVA, with a nice long inscription, for $597.00.

Steve

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I think another bargain, relatively speaking, would be the Edward H. White II photo of his EVA, with a nice long inscription, for $597.00.

I question whether that is really a "sepia toned" photo and not just a badly faded color photo. I can't recall seeing NASA issue sepia toned photos before. The strong point is that the signature and inscription held up pretty well, with only minor fading.

I personally can't understand why Lot 58189 is priced so high (for the second auction in a row). The book is worth maybe $500 tops...and that's on a good day.

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I must say, going into this sale, I would not have expected the Apollo 10 checklist with the Schulz Snoopy drawing to be the highest performing lot of the day.

I expected strong interest in that lot, in part because I knew of one of the bidders' intentions pre-auction, but it's not the item that I would have picked to inspire the most demand.

I don't know if that says more about Snoopy, the dog, collectors or Snoopy, the spacecraft, collectors.

The checklist sold for $41,825, according to Heritage in an interview with the Associated Press.

The AP's headline item? Duke's needle nose pliers that at $33,000 sold for $3,000 more than Buzz Aldrin's flown Gemini patches.

That aside, WFAA Channel 8 has a neat video: Why Guy and the astronaut auction

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posted 03-25-2008 11:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
For a different perspective on this auction, there's Jim Stingl's column in the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel:

Photos sold, but memories will remain

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Forty-two years after his death at age 14, Byron "Buzzy" George's collection of autographed astronaut photos netted $10,745 Tuesday.

His family huddled around a computer screen in Wauwatosa and watched them go in an auction held in Dallas. A grouping of the legendary Apollo 11 crew, Neil Armstrong, Buzz Aldrin and Michael Collins, brought the highest price at $3,000.

"I've had a fluttering heart for two days," said Buzzy's mother, Dottie George. "It's overwhelming. It just is."



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