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MarkRP
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posted 10-12-2007 08:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MarkRP   Click Here to Email MarkRP     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The one that made me go "What?" was Lot 676 STS-117 crew signed litho. It closed at $750. For the life of me I can't figure out why it went that high.

I put an absentee bid on it myself. I wanted it for two reasons. I was at the STS-117 launch and I need John Olivas for my collection. It should have only gone for about $200.

All the other shuttle crew signed items went for at or below their estimate. Needless to say I was not the high bidder. The good news is that it looks like I was high bidder for the other two items I bid on.

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posted 10-12-2007 08:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for spaced out   Click Here to Email spaced out     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ken Havekotte:
Just about in every major space auction, at least 2 or more times each year, the same Apollo 17 flown flag lot that has a "copy" of a letter written to Ed Barker from Cernan and Evans shows up.
Allowing for a little exaggeration, it's true that this same item (or copies of it) has now shown up several times in the last few years:
  • Aurora Spring 2004 lot 714 - sold at $2937
  • Aurora Fall 2004 lot 515 - sold at $1762
  • Regency Spring 2005 lot 1746 may be the same but I don't have an image - sold at $1840
  • Regency Fall 2007 lot 510 - sold at $2400
I'm not sure on the lot 1746 above as I don't have a catalog handy. All I know is that was an Apollo 17 flag with a copy of a letter.

James Brown
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posted 10-12-2007 09:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for James Brown   Click Here to Email James Brown     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was able to pick up one of the Dick Williamson blue NASA jumpsuits (the one used for the Apollo 13 return). I'd like to find a photo of him during his NASA career, perhaps even wearing one of these suits, but have had no luck so far. If anyone can help, please let me know.

James

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posted 10-12-2007 09:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mjanovec   Click Here to Email mjanovec     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ken Havekotte:
Perhaps I am being too picky, huh?, but $8K for a command ship lunar-orbital flag with a Conrad autopen sounds a little bit high to me. But, if a collector needs a flown flag from 12 perhaps to complete his/her collection in this area, to each his own. Any other thoughts?

While I agree with the "to each his own" sentiment, I also thought the price was a bit crazy for that piece. My eye keeps going to that Conrad autopen...which, to me, spoils the piece somewhat.

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posted 10-12-2007 12:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for capoetc   Click Here to Email capoetc     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ken Havekotte:
... Lot 889 -- No, not a good Armstrong. ...

FYI, this lot just sold for $2,500 ... and, no, I was not the buyer.

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Larry McGlynn
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posted 10-12-2007 01:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Larry McGlynn   Click Here to Email Larry McGlynn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ken,

Those Apollo 17 flags have been around since the days of Superior (as you well know). I seem to remember that Mike Orenstein said there were 24 US flags that were involved with that copied letter. It might mean that the original letter was sold with the first flag. It might also mean that it didn't sell with any flag. Whatever it means, the flag COA really isn't up to the standards required by today's prices. It might do Regancy good to contact Cernan and get the flags recertified.

As for the certification copy being interpreted as being flown to the lunar surface, I concur with your comments that unless it says "flown to the lunar surface" on the COA or as an inscription on the flag, then it was flown into lunar orbit. The precedent was set by the wording used on Apollo 11 flags.

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mensax
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posted 10-13-2007 08:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mensax   Click Here to Email mensax     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My thoughts with regard to the Apollo 17 flown flag...

I would think that "chances are" the Apollo 17 flag is an authentic item flown to the Moon, but with only a copy of the original LOA, I would certainly avoid it. Provenance of a flown item is extremely important. In order to enjoy a flown item, or to sell it in the future, I need to be fully convinced, and be able to prove, that an item is 100% authentic.

With regard to the wording of the LOA, it has always been my understanding that Apollo 17 letters that read "flew to the moon aboard the spaceships "AMERICA" indicated the flag was flown in lunar orbit... and letters stating that the flag "flew to the moon aboard the spaceships "AMERICA" and "CHALLENGER" established that it was a lunar surface item.

One of my first major space acquisitions was a presentation with an flag/patch from Apollo 17 with an original letter stating that they "flew to the moon aboard the spaceships "AMERICA" and "CHALLENGER". I had Gene Cernan look the presentation over and after thoroughly looking it over he further authenticated the items as having been to the lunar surface.

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posted 10-13-2007 05:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for andrewcli   Click Here to Email andrewcli     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't know if anybody was watching this, but this flag just sold for $4,250 on ebay, #220157860765. On the certificate is reads, "This flag was carried to the Taurus-Littrow Valley of the moon-December 1972. The certificate is signed by Chris Kraft.

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posted 10-13-2007 06:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for imstarman   Click Here to Email imstarman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I know Dick Williamson and have several photographs of Dick during recovery operations if anyone is interested.

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posted 10-13-2007 06:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for imstarman   Click Here to Email imstarman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am new to this site and have a question for collectors. In the Regency auction Lot 481 Dick Williamson Apollo 15 gold foil and dust tape did not sell. Anyone know why?

Ken Havekotte
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posted 10-13-2007 08:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ken Havekotte   Click Here to Email Ken Havekotte     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
For "andrewcli"--Yes, I am very much aware of this presentation format of a flown lunar surface flag from Apollo 17. As a matter of fact, I just sold one of these--with a different name attached--a few months back that was awarded to a long-time NASA veteran that worked at HQS and Marshall throughout his aerospace career. I believe this flag came from one of the so-called space agency's "LM Official Flight Kit(s)" that was aboard LM-12/Challenger that went to the moon's surface in Dec. 1972. While not crew signed for verification, later JSC-NASA Director Chris Kraft did in fact sign a few of these here and there for their certification that I have seen and actually owned from time to time.

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posted 10-13-2007 08:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for andrewcli   Click Here to Email andrewcli     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Ken,
Thanks for your input!
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posted 10-14-2007 08:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for gliderpilotuk   Click Here to Email gliderpilotuk     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by andrewcli:
I don't know if anybody was watching this, but this flag just sold for $4,250 on ebay, #220157860765.
Guess this puts the Apollo 12 flown flag price into context. An Apollo 14 flown flag from the same seller went for only $2,750 on Ebay. It's all too easy to get carried away with the "wow" factor" at auctions and the fact that a flown flag appears only twice a year, compared to several appearing on Ebay each year. Still, if you've got the urge...and the money...

Paul

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posted 10-14-2007 10:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DCCollector   Click Here to Email DCCollector     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So, how did folks do at the auction? Did others pick up items for their collections?

I was able to win a few lots, including the Deke Slayton Mercury 7 cufflinks. If anyone knows of any pictures of Deke that show him wearing those cufflinks, I would appreciate a heads up. Thanks.

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posted 10-14-2007 11:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aztecdoug   Click Here to Email Aztecdoug     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow, I got an email confirmation from Regency Superior tonight. I won lot #365. That is one of those Apollo 11 kapton foil hockey pucks. I have wanted one of those for awhile, so I am pretty happy this weekend.

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posted 10-15-2007 08:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for gliderpilotuk   Click Here to Email gliderpilotuk     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by DCCollector:
So, how did folks do at the auction? Did others pick up items for their collections?
I was able to win a few lots, including the Deke Slayton Mercury 7 cufflinks.

Well done on the cufflinks - I had my eye on them

My best "find" was #803, the cosmonaut signed book library, consisting of 14 signed books including Titov for $450 + premium.

Paul

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posted 10-15-2007 10:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for daveblog   Click Here to Email daveblog     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think I got a good deal on this lot 913: 1960s-80s Astronaut Signed Souvenir Sheets.

At just under $16 each after the buyers premium, I think I may now need to track down the Armstrong to finish the set (provided they are all from the Sieger set).

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posted 10-24-2007 12:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Janna Ortstadt   Click Here to Email Janna Ortstadt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Darn, my Dad worked on the NERVA project for Aerojet, I wish I could have afforded to bid. That little model is sweet. :-(

Matt T
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posted 10-24-2007 03:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Matt T   Click Here to Email Matt T     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Anyone else waiting for their final invoice? I got an automatic 'preliminary invoice' email about two weeks ago. I've submitted my address details and since then nothing.

Cheers,
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James Brown
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posted 10-24-2007 04:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for James Brown   Click Here to Email James Brown     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Same here.

James

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posted 10-24-2007 04:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DCCollector   Click Here to Email DCCollector     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was told earlier this week that the process is taking longer than expected, but that invoices will be forthcoming.

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posted 10-24-2007 05:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mjanovec   Click Here to Email mjanovec     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My final invoice came yesterday.

Matt T
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Cool - good to know. As long as I haven't been missed out

Cheers,
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MarkRP
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posted 10-25-2007 01:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MarkRP   Click Here to Email MarkRP     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Today I received the 2 items I was high bidder for. Packaged very well. I'm very happy with the items. Year after year this auction is the one I look forward to the most. They always have a lot of items I'm interested in bidding on. They also seem to have less autopens and forgeries than the other auctions. Great job guys.

Mark

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posted 10-25-2007 07:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for STEVE SMITH   Click Here to Email STEVE SMITH     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Received my Ted Freeman K&E Slide Rule this afternoon. Excellent Packaging.

It is noted on inside of Scabbard "Theodore Cosley Freeman; Class of 1953, U. S. Naval Academy:

Ted also has etched his "TCF" initials on the Side Rule itself.

I have had many Astronauts and Scientists and my College Advisor autograoh the Scabbasrd of my 1960 Post Versalog Slide Rule.

This makes a wondrful addition and I'm, as they say "Happy, Proud, and Thrilled".

Thanks Regency Superior.

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posted 10-26-2007 10:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Matt T   Click Here to Email Matt T     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Invoice came today

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posted 10-27-2007 08:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Richard   Click Here to Email Richard     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Recieved items!

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posted 10-27-2007 10:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DCCollector   Click Here to Email DCCollector     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hmm, I keep reading about bidders receiving and enjoying their winnings... and I haven't yet received an invoice (despite emailing once already)...

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posted 10-28-2007 04:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ColinBurgess   Click Here to Email ColinBurgess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Steve,

I sure hope that slide rule doesn't say Theodore Cosley Freeman, as his middle name was Cordy.

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posted 10-28-2007 05:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for stsmithva   Click Here to Email stsmithva     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello DCCollector, I'm just a few miles west of you and I received my lot on Thursday afternoon. You might want to e-mail again on, say, Tuesday. Or was yours a lot that might take longer to pack and ship than a simple signed photo, as mine was?

Steve

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Originally posted by DCCollector:
Hmm, I keep reading about bidders receiving and enjoying their winnings... and I haven't yet received an invoice (despite emailing once already)...

I assume you did not place your bids on a credit card ... the auctions that were sold on credit card probably shipped very quickly.

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posted 10-28-2007 12:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DCCollector   Click Here to Email DCCollector     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Perhaps I spoke too soon. This afternoon I received an automated call from UPS that a package from Regency Superior is due to be delivered tomorrow!

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posted 10-29-2007 09:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for gliderpilotuk   Click Here to Email gliderpilotuk     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No final invoice yet but they may be boxing up my books. Heritage items arrived Saturday.

Paul

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Originally posted by Aztecdoug:
Wow, I got an email confirmation from Regency Superior tonight. I won lot #365. That is one of those Apollo 11 kapton foil hockey pucks. I have wanted one of those for awhile, so I am pretty happy this weekend.


I received my, "Hockey Puck," in the mail today. Talk about love at first sight. After a quick check out it was whisked away into storage. The next time I see it will be at Christmas.

Not bad, the whole process was entirely automated and quick!

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Edited by Aztecdoug on October 30, 2007 at 08:39 PM.

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Originally posted by daveblog:
I think I got a good deal on this lot 913: 1960s-80s Astronaut Signed Souvenir Sheets.

At just under $16 each after the buyers premium, I think I may now need to track down the Armstrong to finish the set (provided they are all from the Sieger set).



Wow, you did great on that set. I think R/S probably could have done a better job of describing it, but good one for you!


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