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Robert Pearlman
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posted 05-27-2007 05:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
via Bob Glass:

2007 September Grand Format Space Exploration Auction
Heritage Auction Galleries' Auction #669

The floor auction is being held in Dallas, TX on Thursday, September 20, 2007. Online bidding ends at 10:00PM CT the night before the floor session.

Consignment Deadline for this auction is Monday, July 30, 2007.

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posted 05-27-2007 08:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for benguttery   Click Here to Email benguttery     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Can you ever have too many space auctions? This company is a remarkable auction house. I've seen them grow quite a bit over the last 5+ years selling some remarkable collectibles. A look at their web site will let you see the very professional level they work on.

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posted 05-28-2007 02:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for gliderpilotuk   Click Here to Email gliderpilotuk     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree. I have bought from them in the past and service is first class.

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posted 05-28-2007 06:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for micropooz   Click Here to Email micropooz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Can you ever have too many space auctions?

This may be a prime time for a well-respected auction house to jump into the space biz. Think about it - Aurora got some pretty severe pans over their last auction, and Orenstein is leaving Superior. A good dependable auction house to compete with the established space auction houses may be just what our hobby needs!

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posted 08-29-2007 09:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for stsmithva   Click Here to Email stsmithva     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The upcoming Air & Space auction at Heritage in Dallas (online bidding ends 9/19; floor bidding 9/20) features autographs from almost every astronaut in Groups 1, 2, and 3; and flown patches, flags, or medallions from almost every Gemini and Apollo flight. Most of the lots come from three sources of great provenance:
  • From the collection of renowned former physical trainer of the astronauts Joe Garino.
  • From the estate of Dr. D. Owen Coons, Chief of NASA's Manned Spacecraft Center Medical Office.
  • From the personal collection of Dr. Buzz Aldrin.
There are vintage photographs with paragraph-long inscriptions, letters, and items like a 1923-S Peace Silver Dollar that was in a pocket of Dr. Aldrin's space suit as he walked on the lunar surface, the longest Armstrong ALS Iíve seen (with NASA content), and a lot of 19 (!) Anders-signed Apollo 8 FDCs.

What do people with more experience than me in space program auctions (i.e., anyone reading this) think of the auction in general, or specific lots?

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Like Ben and Micropooz said, Heritage is a 1st class auction and they'll do a great job in accurately describing, marketing, shipping quickly and keeping the sale organized. The material in this sale is amazing and they're smart to keep the amount of material limited to quality items.

However, they're falling short in customer service and IMHO, they're making a big mistake. They're not allowing live Ebay bidding or any other type of live bidding. If you're bidding online, you must have your bids in by 10PM the night before the auction. What's up with that?

I'm interested in quite a few pieces, but they're expecting me to make a blind bid? How can they expect anyone to place a bid, that's possibly thousands of dollars over what it would have sold for on the floor?

The point of an auction is to sell an item for what the audience is willing to pay for it, not to garner blind bids that are either way over what it would have sold for, or can be easily be outbid by a floor bidder.

I've attended many Superior auctions where there are "book" bids for huge money that exceed any floor bid by many hundreds or thousands of dollars. I suspect these "book" bids are either reserve prices set by the consignor or bids by people who have more money than brains. Everytime a "book" bid wins for insane money, all of the floor bidders look at each other, as if to say, "who's the crazy person that bought that piece"?

I think it's a very poor choice on Heritages part not to offer live bidding for internet buyers. This sale can go 1 of 2 ways, either bring in huge bids by internet buyers with unlimited funds or the guys attending the auction can snag the item from any internet bid for a couple of dollars more. Either way the internet buyer is the one getting the shaft by having to bid in the blind.

I know, some of you are saying that you should bid what it's worth to you, but it doesn't work that way because it's an AUCTION. We've all won stuff at auction that was a bargain because it was either not described properly or others didn't know what they were looking at and didn't bid. That's the beauty of an auction and the way Heritage is handling their online buyers in this sale, the advantage goes to the floor bidder in this sale.

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They have have a great selection of items, but am I alone in wondering about the estimated value of the laptop?

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Whoa. One thing I've always liked about eBay is how you can put in a bid, but then if yours was the highest you get the item for only a set amount above the next bid. I thought that was a standard procedure (is there a name for it?) for Internet or mail bids. You're saying that with the "blind" or "book" bids Heritage is not doing this? You actually have to pay exactly what you bid, even if it is way higher than the next bid?

That, along with the online bids not being accepted the day of the auction, certainly will discourage some potential bidders. Too bad- holes in a lot of collections could be filled there.

I've seen that laptop on at least one other site for a shockingly high price. I think someone paid a lot for it years ago.

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Originally posted by Spacepsycho:
I'm interested in quite a few pieces, but they're expecting me to make a blind bid?
No, they are expecting you to make a proxy bid. When you submit your bid via the internet (or mail), you provide your maximum bid and then the auctioneer acts on your behalf, advancing the bidding by the next set increment until there are either no other bidders competing or your maximum has been exceeded. To quote Heritage's website:
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After Internet bidding ends, your secret maximum will compete for you against the floor bidders. Place your most realistic bids to have a greater chance of winning against those bidders. Many of our proxy bidders are successful at winning lots in these auctions, and usually below their secret maximum.
If you want to bid live, you can always fly to Dallas or (I believe) arrange to bid by phone...

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I have been very fortunate to win 50% + of my faxed bids to Aurora but the items are always unmanned photos and reports. I would much rather be on the floor.

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The lack of internet bidding is a major drawback. In all other respects this looks like a welcome addition to the space auction marketplace (although it remains to be seen how they compare on delivery times, payment etc after the auction).

I'm particularly taken with the huge and exhaustive hi-res scans of every item, and the lengthy unambiguous wording of the descriptions. Not to mention the entire catalogue being presented online 3 weeks prior to the sale. In a market where authenticity is all important these are the standards that we should expect from all auction houses.

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posted 08-29-2007 04:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Novaspace     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Heritage was in a booth at Spacefest, handing out free catalogs (as was Regency-Superior)

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Does anyone have any information or understanding about what the moonwalkers carried in their lunar surface suits? This auction states that Col. Aldrin carried a slide rule and a silver dollar in his suit pocket. Though he provides letters of authenticity, are there independent ways to confirm this?

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Since genuine Gemini crew patches are so scarce it's very interesting to see the complete set from Joe Garino's collection. All are listed as flown although it's not so clear from the descriptions if the accompanying LOAs state this explicitly.
  • The Gemini 5 patch is not the one worn by the crew, but rather the version previously sold from Cooper's collection as flown. When this design was seen previously it was questioned as to whether it was actually flown or whether Cooper mistakenly thought this 30 years after the event. This one at least seems to have been presented (by Cooper) at around the time of the mission itself, so it's not really a question of too much time having passed.

  • The Gemini 6 is a GTA-6 version, which is probably to be expected.

  • The Gemini 7 is the version with the crew names at the top rather than the version worn by the crew.

  • The Gemini 8 through 12 patches are all the known crew versions, with the Gemini 9 having the crew name tab at the bottom.

  • The Apollo flown flag presentations also have some nice crew patches:

  • An Apollo 8 flown patch and flown flag.

  • An Apollo 9 crew patch with a flown flag.

  • Two Apollo 10 crew patches, both the post-flight jump suit versions rather than the pre-flight portrait Grumman versions.

  • An Apollo 11 crew patch (BIG version).

  • The Apollo 12 flown flag presentation is mounted with a patch that I don't recognise. It's not the crew version or the AB Emblem patch. It's not listed as flown, but still must be contemporary with the flight and obviously available to NASA personnel at the time.

  • A flown Apollo 13 crew patch.

  • The Apollo 14 flown flag is accompanied by a Lion Brothers Apollo 14 patch but this is not noted as flown. From the extracts of the accompanying letters it does seem that it might have come from Ed Mitchell though.

  • A nice flown sliver thread Apollo 15 crew patch, with flown flag.
All-in-all a mightily impressive collection from the patch collector's point of view.

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My problem with many of these patches - particularly the Gemini emblems - is that they've been "affixed" to the wooden presentation plaques according to the lot descriptions. And if you look at the photos, you can see that the plaques have been hollowed slightly to fit the patches. If any kind of glue has been applied, they're in there for good. I'd have a mighty hard time spending big money on patches that are glued into a presentation like that.

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I hope some of the other auction houses take a look at the Heritage Auction Galleries web site and see that they CAN give Hi-Res scans of items. I'm very impressed with this site.

I only live about 3 hours from Dallas now and I may drive in for this auction.

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I've wondered about the integrity of those patches too. Would hate to abuse them much getting them out of those ugly plaques. Will ask if they could disassemble one to see if the patch comes out. LATER>>> Looks like they used brads not screws to attach the plexiglass, so rather doubt they will take one apart, but I have asked. Look at the Gemini 10 the tips of the X and see if you think that is glue on it?

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As I mentioned in a thread on the Gemini 5 patch, none of the Gemini patches in this auction comes with a letter (or even a plaque) claiming it was flown. If any had been, wouldn't that be the central point of Garino's accompanying letters?

Bottom line: this may be yet another case of "We have no proof, so just take our word for it and pay thousands of dollars." Caveat emptor!

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Originally posted by Novaspace:
Heritage was in a booth at Spacefest, handing out free catalogs (as was Regency-Superior)
And they told at least two of us that live bidding would be available both on their website and on ebay.

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Even though the patches are in those presentation plaques, I would not try to get rid of the plaques just to keep the patches, that's still NASA history. The 1960s were a lot different than today, this is how NASA presented them. If anybody buys them and takes out the patch and wants to get rid of the wood triangle plaque, please send them this way. ...DK

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The auction WILL BE on Ebay Live. Just check Ebay.

The quality of the online catalogue is outstanding - particularly the zoom/pan/focus feature, which should be the standard for ALL auctions. There's so much mouth-watering stuff.

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Fun as the zoom feature is try hitting the no zooming button on the page. Then you simply get huge hi-res scans which I find are even more useful as you can see the whole image in a glance or two.

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Originally posted by gliderpilotuk:
The auction WILL BE on Ebay Live. Just check Ebay.
Direct link: http://www.liveauctions.ebay.com/catalogs/22518

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I believe that a new era will begin with Heritageís entrance into the space memorabilia market. As many know, I have been involved with the space market since its early days and have remained one of its biggest cheerleaders. I have always thought that it was one of the most incredible areas of collecting. The ability for any of us to own any of the items that flew with these pioneers is just mind-boggling. Although I have always been grateful for the efforts put forth by the other auction houses, I have been disappointed that none have endeavored to really grow and nurture the hobby. I believe that our fraternity has really been just a small group of die-hard enthusiasts. I know many of the collectors who have amassed some of the finest artifacts that have come to auction over the last decade, and it is these same few people that the auction houses have catered to again and again. Many collectors in general are still not aware that items, especially flown items, from the space race can be owned. That will certainly change because Heritage will cultivate and help develop the markets that it sells to. Heritage has a bidding clientele of 300,000 collectors who will now have a chance to see these offerings. I expect that a whole new cast of collectors will be joining our community.

I have tried individually to help the space market over the years, including publishing the two books on the Robbins Medals, lobbying NGC to certify the Robbins Medals, and to write articles to better educate the collector base. I have not previously lent my name to any of the action houses. Although grateful for their efforts and realizing that if they had not had an auction that there would be few artifacts publicly offered, it still seemed that their primary focus was to sell any and all things, and as much of it, regardless of quality and sometimes authenticity.

I have been a long time client of Heritageís. In fact, I am considered a legacy client because of the amount I have spent with them over the years. I lobbied them nearly 3 years ago to become involved with the space market, but they were not then ready. I believe that the space community will be very pleased as Heritage gets its legs over the next year. I think the days of the auction forum being filled only with complaints are nearing an end. I envision the biggest complaint going forward will be that prices are going up. I personally think we space collectors have been living in a bubble, and have had the opportunity of a lifetime to acquire as many of the greatest artifacts ever offered at relatively inexpensive prices. But we shall see, as no one knows for sure.

In my continued desire to assist the hobby, I am pleased to announce that I have joined Heritage as their Senior Space Consultant in a further effort to garner quality artifacts for the auctions, to help provide accurate descriptions and to filter out undesirable items. My best to all Ė Howard Weinberger

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Howard,

It's great to see that you are taking the lead to ensure that Heritage's items are genuine. It sounds like you're the right person, then, to answer my earlier question about the flown Aldrin items. Here's the question: what proof is there that the items (the slide rule and the coin) were carried in Aldrin's suit on the EVA? It's great that there are COA's from Aldrin, but what was done to make independent confirmation, through NASA's records or otherwise, that the items were actually in the suit? In over 10 years of auction catalogs, we have seen a wide range of items that were supposedly flown in Mercury, Gemini and Apollo flights. However, I have never seen any literature or discussion regarding records of the content of suit pockets. Your response would be appreciated.

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Originally posted by lunareagle:
Although I have always been grateful for the efforts put forth by the other auction houses, I have been disappointed that none have endeavored to really grow and nurture the hobby.
Editor's note: Responses pertaining to growing and nurturing the space memorabilia hobby and market have been moved to their own thread to allow the discussion of the Heritage's auction to continue on-topic.

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Yes, it'll be on eBay Live, but with this important caveat:

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Important notice: Heritage usually auctions material at the rate of 100-110 lots per hour. On some occasions eBay Live bid software or the Internet may not be able to keep up with the pace of the auction. We recommend placing a realistic absentee bid now as insurance to avoid disappointment. Occasionally the auctioneer may eliminate or reject an eBay Live bid, and the auctioneer may also reopen a lot after the close of the eBay live bidding (usually because we missed an audience bid), and may reject your bid even if it shows you as the winning bidder. By bidding via eBay Live, you agree that Heritage may award the lot to another bidder at its sole discretion under the circumstances described above or any other reasonable circumstances. Since eBay bids are not shown to us until we open the lot on the floor, we treat those bids just like floor bids. In most cases the floor responds before the eBay bid is presented to us, due to Internet lag time, so for consistency we have made it a policy that floor bids are always considered first over tie eBay live bids. Also please note that all Heritage lots purchased through eBay Live carry a 22.5% Buyer's Premium with a $9 minimum Buyer's Premium. Please make sure you read the Terms and Conditions before you bid. This lot is being auctioned in conjunction with a live floor auction by Heritage Auctions. All final auction and invoice information will be supplied by Heritage Auctions, and all other information should be considered preliminary.

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Here's the question: what proof is there that the items (the slide rule and the coin) were carried in Aldrin's suit on the EVA?
Admittedly, authentication has been a long-term issue. Correct me if I am wrong though, that most of the past issues have to do with items that came onto the market second-hand and not directly from the astronaut who it was purportedly taken by?

Your point is truly a valid one, and one that the community should and needs to weigh in on. My personal position is as follows:

  1. I believe that none of the astronauts I know or have known have ever knowingly offered any items to deceive.

  2. A personal COA from an astronaut for his own items, flown or unflown, has to stand as credible, EXCEPT if official documentation were to surface that would dispute that fact, which would seemingly over ride the astronautís COA claim of flown or location status, which is what the dispute would be about. The fact that they belonged to and were from the astronautís collection would remain valid. The key here is that the above refers to an item directly from an astronautís own mission where he purportedly had knowledge and control of the item, not one necessarily given to him by another astronaut from another mission.

    The grey area here is that nearly all astronauts are extremely guarded about disclosing what was in their CM PPKs, more so about their LM PPKs and even more so about items that may have been in their suits. Astronauts have told me more than once, including moonwalkers, that they had a number of personal items in their suits. Further, some of the astronauts still have their PPK manifests and some do not, while others only have copies of letters to the flight office that list the contents of their PPKs.

We may never be privy to the manifest lists of at least the earliest missions, or it may be after the death of an astronaut that we find that kind of information gets released, or it may be that the claim is that it was in their suit and was never manifested, which makes the COA from the astronaut the only valid confirmation.

So, getting back to your question about the Aldrin slide rule and coin. As Dr. Aldrin will tell you, he is a West Point graduate and lives by a code of honor. He states that these items were taken to the surface. Given that, unless evidence ever surfaces to say otherwise, I donít think that it can be disputed.

That said, I would only ever recommend that a collector buy something he or she is comfortable with.

My best Ė Howard Weinberger

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Heritage replied to me about the patches:

"I feel relatively sure that they would come off but they seem to be glued or adhered in some way."

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the glue might be old so the patches might come off easy,most glues get brittle with age,

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Boy, given that those framed patches are likely to sell for a couple thousand each, I sure wouldn't want to gamble my money that you'd be able to remove them. They seem to have more worth in the frames anyway, given that they were presented framed to Joe originally. And even if you could remove them, what are the odds that you'd damage them in the process? I think I'd rather be patient and wait to find patches not glued into something. If my years of patch collecting have taught me anything, it's that sooner or later - with patience - you can find just about anything that you're looking for.

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Since genuine Gemini crew patches are so scarce it's very interesting to see the complete set from Joe Garino's collection. All are listed as flown although it's not so clear from the descriptions if the accompanying LOAs state this explicitly.

I don't know if the print catalog states it differently, but the online catalog does NOT state that the Gemini X patch was "space flown," unlike the other Gemini patches which are claimed to be flown.

So one must assume this patch was not flown. One should also not in the description that it a appears Garino received the patch PRIOR to the launch.

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Beware the 22.5 percent buyers premium incurred via an Ebay bid which is even higher I believe then some of the other auction house commissions as of late who have been using Ebay Live.

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Here's the question: what proof is there that the items (the slide rule and the coin) were carried in Aldrin's suit on the EVA?
Heritage Auctions seeks to provide the most accurate and relevant information on each lot we offer. In that spirit, we would like to point out revisions in the language of two lot descriptions in our September 20 -21 Air and Space auction. The new lot descriptions are reproduced below.

In each case, our lot writer was initially working from notes, which had not been confirmed with Dr. Buzz Aldrin himself, and as a result incorrectly made the claim that these two items had positively been on his person while Dr. Aldrin made his famous moonwalk.

While both items were flown aboard the mission, neither was actually on the moon's surface.

The slide rule was taken by Dr. Aldrin as a back-up tool that would allow him to perform calculations in the event of a computer failure on the Apollo 11 mission, and he saw the opportunity to bring along the silver dollar in his PPK as a unique souvenir, so he did.

Accordingly, we are posting corrections on our web site and will announce them prior to the commencement of the live auction as well. Any bids placed on these two lots earlier have been removed from the system, and the bidders so advised and invited to place new bids based on the updated information about these items.

Lot 26368 - Buzz Aldrin's Apollo 11 Slide Rule - Flown to the Moon. A Pickett Model N600-ES (Eye Saver) Log Log Speed Rule, a six-inch pocket rule with 22 five-inch scales. Most of today's cell phones have much more computing power than the Apollo 11 mission carried on board. Though they seem archaic to many of this present generation, the slide rule was (and is) a powerful computational tool and would certainly come in very handy on a space flight. The rule offered here was used on and flown to the moon aboard the Apollo 11 mission by Dr. Aldrin. The Pickett Company, founded in 1943, was proud of the fact that NASA selected this slide rule model of theirs to fly on five of the Apollo missions; they used that fact in their advertising of the period. Research shows that the N600-ES would have sold for $10.95 at retail in 1969 (one wonders what NASA paid). Very fine condition. From the personal collection of Dr. Buzz Aldrin and accompanied by a signed Letter of Authenticity from him.

Lot 25388 - Buzz Aldrin's 1923-S Peace Silver Dollar Flown to the Moon Aboard Apollo 11. This historic peace silver dollar flew to the moon with Buzz Aldrin on Apollo 11 as part of his Personal Preference Kit (PPK ). The coin, minted forty years before Dr. Aldrin was selected as part of the third group of NASA astronauts in October 1963, must surely be one of the rarest peace dollars in existence. How many collectors can point to a 1923-S Peace Dollar that has been to the moon? From the personal collection of Dr. Buzz Aldrin and accompanied by a signed Letter of Authenticity from him.

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Thanks for the update, Howard. Do you know if the A11 descent chart and beta cloth checklist bag were lunar surface flown?
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quote:
Originally posted by driftingtotheright:
Do you know if the A11 descent chart and beta cloth checklist bag were lunar surface flown?
I believe descent charts are, by definition flown to the surface.

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I think leaving the lunar descent chart in the command module would be somewhat equivalent to:

Buzz locking the lunar module after exit
Wally hitting the ejection switch on Gemini V1
(although quite justified)
Glenn jettisoning the retro pack
McCandless not fastening his seatbelt in the MMU

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posted 09-15-2007 12:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mjanovec   Click Here to Email mjanovec     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How many copies of the descent chart were made, however? Presumably, some sets were used in training in addition to the one set that was used on the mission.

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mjanovec,

The Descent or Orbital Monitoring Charts are flown to the surface and were usually taped into a continous ring, so they could access a particular section, if necessary, quickly.

The most of moonwalkers have separated the sections for individual sale and the average chart had between 18 and 24 sections, so there are other sections from Apollo 11, Apollo 16 and Apollo 17 out in the hobby.

I do have a question of the Goddard book that Heritage should check on. Did Buzz take two Goddard books to the Moon?

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Since there is tape only on the easternmost margin of the descent chart, and a blank margin opposite, is this the westernmost terminus of the total chart? Also, as the tape is not bilateral, does this mean that the A11 chart was not configured in the usual loop manner? Why were orbital charts also surface-flown? Thanks in advance,
Jerry


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