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Robert Pearlman
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posted 10-01-2005 08:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Aurora has posted their catalog for the October 15-16 space and aviation memorabilia auction on their website in PDF format:

http://www.auroragalleriesonline.com/products.htm

According to their website, "Print copies of our catalog will be in the mail next week!"

The first pages of both days' catalogs identifies the highlights as:

  • Original Mercury Program Spacesuit Glove (Lot 2)
  • Cooper Flight Celebration Program signed by all 7 Mercury astronauts (Lot 7)
  • Gemini Agena Contractor’s Model (Lot 135)
  • Assortment of Apollo Program food items (Lots 202 - 209)
  • Excellent assortment of Apollo spacecraft and spacesuit hardware (Lost 212 - 275)
  • Original Alan Bean painting: “Playing in a 4 Billion Year Old Rock Garden” (Lot 316
  • Translation Control Handle Flown on Apollo 9 Spacecraft (Lot 378A)
  • U.S. Flags flown on Apollo 9 (Lot 379), Apollo 11 (Lot 406), Apollo 12 (Lot 483A), Skylab 1 (Lot 657) and Skylab 2 (Lot 688)
  • Cover flown to the Moon on Apollo 11, ex. Michael Collins collection (Lot 407)
  • Switch Flown aboard (and melted on!) Apollo 13 spacecraft (Lot 500)
  • U.S./ Soviet Space Accord signed during ASTP- one of only 4 copies in the world (Lot 625)
  • Cover flown and signed aboard ASTP(1 of only 25 in existence), ex. the Valery Kubasov collection (Lot 626)
  • General Dynamics Shuttle Folding Wing Concept Model (Lot 717)
  • Copy of “Star Gazer” signed by all STS 51LChallengercrew members (Lot 823)
  • World’s largest collection of items signed by STS 107 Columbia crew (Lot 840)
  • Items flown aboard SpaceShipOne, including an M&M (Lot 874), covers (Lot 875) and a $2.00 bill (Lot 876)
  • Charles Lindbergh autograph (Lot 894)
  • Pershing missile nose cone (Lot 1073)
  • A selection of lithographs autographed by World War I & II pilots and aces (Lots 1074 - 1099)
  • Original paintings of astrological signs by space artist Detlev von Raavensway (Lots 1100A- 1100L)
  • Original Gene Roddenberry Star Trek phaser (Lot 1181)
  • Cover autographed by all 14 Chinese taikonauts (astronauts) (Lot 1219)
  • Tsiolkovsky manuscripts (Lots 1226 - 1227)
  • A selection of original Russian spacesuits, including Yastreb (Lot 1236), Sokol (Lots 1237, 1238 and 1242) and Strizh (Lot 1245)

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posted 10-02-2005 05:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Philip   Click Here to Email Philip     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, there're certainly some nice Hardware pieces in the 2nd session ( Lots 949 & 950 for instance )...

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The PDF of the first session of the auction contains 140 pages of illustrations of most, but not all, of the 696 first session lots. The lots include everything from patches, pins, space covers, autographed photos, posters, literature, space toys, and hardware - something for everyone.

In my opinion the most interesting item is Lot #356A on page 86. This is Walt Cunningham's 1991 Acura NSX with 70,000 miles and an estinmated value of $30,000-35,000. Has any cS member ever had a ride in this car?

The PDF file for Session 1 contains 14.1 MB. It takes time to download and save the file.

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The PDF of the second session contains 134 pages of illustrations of most of Lots #700 - 1370. As in the first session, a variety of items are included, but this session also includes many unusual items never seen before (at least by me). Included are samples of external tank insulation, STS-107 memorabilia, space shuttle food, a variety of flight hardware, models, medals, Shenzhou memorabilia, aviation pioneer memorabilia, and other unusual items.

In my opinion the most interesting items in this session are two movie sets (space shuttle cockpit and ISS) used in several space movies: Space Cowboys, Day after Tomorrow, Armagedon, & Deep Impact. They each have an estimated value of $250,000 - $300,000. How would you like these in your basement or garage?

The PDF of Session 2 contains 11.7 MB.

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posted 10-02-2005 05:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for James Brown   Click Here to Email James Brown     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And, as always, forgeries being auctioned off as authentic. Watch yourselves.

James

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Anyone familiar with Insurance Covers, in particular Apollo 15 insurance covers?

I have a cover that looks just like the ones in items #'d 549 and 550 in the auction, but I have no reason to believe it is an insurance cover.

Anyone have background on the Apollo 15 INsurance Covers?

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John-

Yes, these both match up to one type of the "unofficial" insurance covers for Apollo 15. You can get more info at these two links:
http://collectspace.com/ubb/Forum20/HTML/000102.html
http://collectspace.com/ubb/Forum20/HTML/000118.html

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And, as always, forgeries being auctioned off as authentic. Watch yourselves.

James


Please be more specific. Simply making such a vague remark does not accomplish anything. In addition, it places a cloud of illegitimacy over the entire auction. If your remark was intended to warn collectors, you should specify which lots are in question.

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posted 10-02-2005 10:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for capoetc   Click Here to Email capoetc     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm no expert, but a couple of the ASTP crew signed covers look ... a bit fishy to me.

Most of the lots overall look good to my marginally-trained eye, though.

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posted 10-02-2005 10:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott   Click Here to Email Scott     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Astro Bill:
In my opinion the most interesting item is Lot #356A on page 86. This is Walt Cunningham's 1991 Acura NSX with 70,000 miles and an estinmated value of $30,000-35,000. Has any cS member ever had a ride in this car?


If I wanted such a car I'd go to an Acura used car dealership. You'd probably get a much better price and it might actually have some kind of warranty on it.

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posted 10-02-2005 10:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for zee_aladdin   Click Here to Email zee_aladdin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I looked over BOTH catalogues and I was disappointed to see ONLY around 15 lots for coins and medallions.

Usually, Aurora has between 50 to 75 coins/medals auctions.... What Happened ?!!!!

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posted 10-03-2005 04:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for gliderpilotuk   Click Here to Email gliderpilotuk     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
...and what is Saddam Hussein doing in there???
OK Herman Goering was Head of the Luftwaffe, so he's just about acceptable, but Saddam??

On the forge/fake/ap front I'm sure the usual list will be compiled by collectors and shared here. IMHO, in advance of this it's still worth the warning.

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I agree that there are some items that are marginally or not at all connected to space (Titanic?), But Aurora has put together an extremely interesting auction which should benefit all areas of the hobby.

When you download the catalogs for the two sessions you will spend an hour or more going over the items.

Again, If anyone has any specific items that they think are "bogus" or "fishy" or "questionable", they should be listed instead of making broad accusations regarding this auction IMHO. I still would like to have Walt's Acura. Here in New York we take public transportation, cabs or we walk ("hike") to locations.

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posted 10-03-2005 08:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott   Click Here to Email Scott     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If you want a specific example, Lot 417 is definitely dodgy IMO.

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Aurora has managed to put together another huge auction with quite a variety of items... something for everyone.

This years auction is most notably loaded with spaceship and spacesuit hardware. I imagine that diehard space-hardware collectors will always remember this sale as "THE SALE". Everyone who wants a piece ought to be able to walk away from this sale with a surplus part.

Remember the "Lucite auction" a while back? That Aurora's sale was full of things suspended in plastic and it seemed that every collector bought at least one. There sure is a shortage of acrylics in this sale.

Flown items are also a rarity in this sale as well. There are no Apollo Robbins medallions at all, from A7-A17, flown or unflown. That's a first, I've never seen any space sale with zero Robbin's.

Remember a couple sales ago when the auction catalogs were full of flown items? You could choose between a dozen items flown on Apollo 11 and there would be several significant items from each of the other missions. Some people were predicting a coming flood of flown items that would wipe out values. Well, all of those previous flown items were snapped up, some at bargain prices, and now the river seems to be running pretty low.

In this sale there aren't any flown items at all from A7, A14, A16, or A17. This sale does have a flown item or two from both A9 and A10 which are both hard missions to get a flown item from (the A10 from Young is the first item I recall with certification from him).

My hats off to Jay for his prediction that there would be a SpaceShipOne $2 bill in this sale... I bet it will bring a thousand dollars. It will be most entertaining to see the flown M&M sale, I wish I could attend the auction just to watch. Will the Mars candy company send reps to get this nugget for the company headquarters?

Noah

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posted 10-03-2005 01:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for divemaster   Click Here to Email divemaster     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've ridden in the car that is REPLACING Walt's NSX [a brand new silver corvette!]. Walt's cars are immaculate!

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This is going to be a fantastic auction judging from the interesting array of items. There is no mention in the PDF files of the sellers of the items. Are any astronauts involved in this auction?

The auction (particularly Session 2) contains a great deal of space hardware of all sizes and shapes. Does anyone know how these items were procured? Were they scrapped by NASA and later obtained by a NASA worker? How can a collector be assured of the authenticity of such hardward?

One thing to consider, the smaller hardware items could be professionally labeled & mounted in lucite and could later command a much higher price at auction. The larger items could be taken apart and the separate pieces could be similarly mounted in lucite stands and sold individually.

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Anybody konw if this auction is going to on Ebay Live Auctions? I e-mailed Aurora asking if it was but they haven't responded yet.

Mark

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This is going to be a fantastic auction judging from the interesting array of items. There is no mention in the PDF files of the sellers of the items. Are any astronauts involved in this auction?

Dear AstroBill:
Yes, past astronaut consignors Plus new ones are participating in this sale (you will see the list in the printed catalog).

The auction (particularly Session 2) contains a great deal of space hardware of all sizes and shapes. Does anyone know how these items were procured? Were they scrapped by NASA and later obtained by a NASA worker? How can a collector be assured of the authenticity of such hardward?

These items were scrapped by NASA legitimately and come from a significant collector. We stand 100% behind the provenance of these items.

Best regards and thank you for your interest,
Victoria Campbell
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Flown items are also a rarity in this sale as well.

As a flown flag fan it's striking to see the tiny number being offered this time. A few sales ago there were flags galore selling for peanuts but this time there's almost nothing, at least for the Apollo era. Does this mean the usual astronaut sellers are running low on stock or have they realised that to keep values up they need to sell more slowly?

Here's my quick count of Apollo era flown flags listed in the last 4 sales:

Spring 2004 - 22
Fall 2004 - 12
Spring 2005 - 9
Fall 2005 - 3

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I can't believe this.. :

Lot 418 is genuine ??!? REALLY ??
I read so many messages on this forum saying that Neil Armstrong never signed on the flag..!! (and btw, 417.. opinions?)

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Speaking of flown flags, I'm curious about the "surface flown" attribution of lot 406, the Apollo 11 US flag. As the description states this is a NASA presentation flag rather than an astronaut's; the research here on collectSPACE about PPKs and OFKs seems pretty specific that all NASA presentation flags were flown to lunar orbit, not the surface. Nothing in the wording of the presentation certificate ("flown to the moon") asserts that the flag went to the surface either.

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Speaking of flown flags, I'm curious about the "surface flown" attribution of lot 406, the Apollo 11 US flag.

Matt, I hadn't noticed that it said this was surface flown. As you say it is almost certainly not surface flown. If it had been it would be explicitly stated on the certificate.

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Matt, I hadn't noticed that it said this was surface flown. As you say it is almost certainly not surface flown. If it had been it would be explicitly stated on the certificate.

Also the autographs are autopens, which is not mentioned in the description.

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Originally posted by 1202 Alarm:

I can't believe this.. :

Lot 418 is genuine ??!? REALLY ??
I read so many messages on this forum saying that Neil Armstrong never signed on the flag..!! (and btw, 417.. opinions?)


As I stated above, I don't care for 417.

418 looks OK to me from what I can see in the image. The autograph technically goes over the flag, but to a relatively small extent. IMO, in the unlikely event that this is a forgery (like I said, I believe it not a forgery), it is so good that it would almost certainly have been done in recent years. And in recent years, any skilled Armstrong forger would be avoiding the Flag at all costs. So I believe this is authentic and a minor, technical exception to the Flag Rule. Other opinions?

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Hello Everybody,
I need an opinion on item 415. It looks like a nice item....but I am not sure....Opinions please???

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Regarding the wording around the lot 406 Apollo 11 'Lunar Surface Flown' Flag, I'd point out that lot 438A in my opinion carries a similar concern.

Alan Bean used that exact same inscription on an item that I have that was carried to lunar orbit but not to the surface ('Flown to the Moon Apollo XII Nov 1969 Alan L. Bean'). The lot description says that a tag has been inserted in the corner that reads 'Sailed with Yankee Clipper and Intrepid to the Ocean of Storms November 1969.' That description is definitely up for interpretation and to me offers absolutely no proof that it made it to the surface. Also, who placed that tag there and when?

Based on the catalog's information I think that a safer lot description would be that it flew to lunar orbit.

Jonathan

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Jonathan, another good point raised. All the AS12 flown flags I've seen sold by the crew were mounted with a little typed label glued on that read 'Sailed with Yankee Clipper and Intrepid to the Ocean of Storms November 1969'.
This does not imply that the item went to the surface. Previous examples sold at Aurora, through Novaspace and direct, have been orbit flown and labelled exactly the same way as this example. An exception is the Gordon surface flown flag sold at Regency in April. There the presentation was the usual one but Gordon had written flown to the lunar surface on the flag.
At the end of the day only Alan Bean can say whether this particular example went to the lunar surface. If the LOA/COA says explicitly that it did then so be it, otherwise it's lunar orbit for sure.

NB: I should note that Novaspace replace the typed label on their examples with a brass plaque that makes it clear that it's orbit flown.

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silly question: has anyone received a printed version yet?

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I was just about to ask the same, But its normal for me not to recieve one until about a WEEK after the auction!

Last 3 haven't been bad ie got it about a week before.

Have printed a copy to have a look!

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Victoria e-mailed me this morning that they're in the mail.

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everyone may go ahead and enlighten me as to which ones are not authentic......

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One item that all collectors of autographed space covers should have before purchasing such items in an auction is Paul Bulver's CD "Study of Suspect Space Covers." This is available from the Spaace Unit by contacting Carmine Torrisi, SU Secretary, at: ctorrisi@nys.rr.com or by contacting the Space Unit at their website: http://stargate.1usa.com/stamps/

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posted 10-11-2005 10:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for gliderpilotuk   Click Here to Email gliderpilotuk     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
4 days to go - anyone got a hard copy catalogue yet?

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4 days to go - anyone got a hard copy catalogue yet?

Paul


Nope... I got it 3 days before the auction last time around. To be honest, I think sending out a hard-copy of the catalogue the week before the auction is a waste of Aurora's time and money.

Rgds, Derek

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Paul - I just checked and we have confirmation from both Fed Ex and USPS that shipments have been delivered both domestically and overseas, so it should be to you shortly.

Best regards
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Thanks Victoria.

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I live in new Jersey and catalog has yet to arrive.

Will keep the eyes peeled for tomorrow.

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CATALOG TOUCHDOWN !!

Mine arrived this morning in perfect condition...

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FedEx Delivery at 1300hrs today to a Central Scotland address.


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