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Robert Pearlman
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posted 03-19-2024 11:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
From Reuters' space reporter Joey Roulette (via X):
SpaceX's Gwynne Shotwell at the Satellite 2024 convetion says next Starship test flight coming "hopefully in about six weeks," and she doesn't think they're going to deploy Starlinks on that test — wants to "focus on getting reentry right."

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Was Starship deliberately under-fueled for this test or did it carry a mass simulator in the payload bay?

The reason I ask is that the propellant quantities on the graphic displayed by SpaceX showed very low levels at shutdown. One would expect this if it was carrying its designed payload mass. But I don’t recall hearing of the test containing a mass simulator and one was not obvious from the camera in the payload bay.

Admittedly, the graphics are misleading as the LOX and methane tanks are different sizes but presented on the same scale.

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SpaceX update (via X):
Super Heavy booster for Flight 4 moved to the pad at Starbase.

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posted 04-05-2024 04:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
SpaceX Flight 3 highlights video

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posted 04-06-2024 08:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
April 5 static fire of the Flight 4 Super Heavy booster:

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posted 04-06-2024 08:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
SpaceX video
The goal of SpaceX is to build the technologies necessary to make life multiplanetary. This is the first time in the 4-billion-year history of Earth that it's possible to realize that goal and protect the light of consciousness.

At Starbase on Thursday, April 4, SpaceX Chief Engineer Elon Musk provided an update on the company's plans to send humanity to Mars, the best destination to begin making life multiplanetary.

Go to X for the full talk, which also includes the mechanics and challenges of traveling to Mars, along with what we're building today to enable sending around a million people and several million tonnes to the Martian surface in the years to come.

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I find Musk more confusing by the year. The threat of nuking moon/Mars was bizarre.

Not once addresses the main problem of space radiation and solar flares that would impact any long flight to Mars or the impact on Mars to insulate the one million person "city" long term without an atmosphere to protect humans. Not even going into how you feed the large population. Sounds nice but still not viable.

Also the cost of shooting hundreds of rockets to Mars yearly to build this city, is beyond even Musk or any nations' wealth.

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Originally posted by denali414:
Also the cost of shooting hundreds of rockets to Mars yearly to build this city, is beyond even Musk or any nations' wealth.
It is perhaps a bit premature to dismiss the notion out of hand.

There are many things to learn before colonizing the moon or Mars, and one of them will be, "What raw materials are already there that we won't have to bring along?" There will certainly be some materials that will be usable once some smart engineering minds are applied to the problem and a proper assessment of what is actually there is completed. We have hardly scratched the surface of knowledge, particularly about the red planet.

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Agree, we have barely scratched the surface of knowledge of Mars. Musk was talking within the next few years, not decades from now. Maybe I took it wrong,but he was saying this is possible now and in my opinion, not close to possible.

It is great to think big and have a vision, but constraints and reality are many times much different. That talk seemed much more science fiction than current reality.

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Musk is now over 50, therefore must feel his mortality.

He said many times that he wants to die on Mars. But for that to happen every upcoming Starship test flight needs to be 100% successful.

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SpaceX conducted a launch rehearsal for Flight 4 today. From Elon Musk (via X):
Starship Flight 4 in about two weeks. Primary goal is getting through max reentry heating.

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Per SpaceX, the fourth flight test of Starship could launch as soon as June 5, pending regulatory approval.

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Per SpaceX, Flight 4 is now targeted to launch no earlier than June 6, pending regulatory approval.

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Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) release
The FAA is responsible for and committed to protecting the public during commercial space transportation launch and reentry operations.

The FAA has approved a license authorization for SpaceX Starship Flight 4. SpaceX met all safety and other licensing requirements for this test flight.

As part of its request for license modification, SpaceX proposed three scenarios involving the Starship entry that would not require an investigation in the event of the loss of the vehicle. The FAA approved the scenarios as test induced damage exceptions after evaluating them as part of the flight safety and flight hazard analyses and confirming they met public safety requirements. If a different anomaly occurs with the Starship vehicle an investigation may be warranted as well as if an anomaly occurs with the Super Heavy booster rocket.

Background

The Test Induced Damage Exception identifies test objectives associated with certain flight events and system components of the Starship vehicle. The three approved exceptions include: failure of the thermal shield during high-heating; the flap system is unable to provide sufficient control under high dynamic pressure; and the failure of the Raptor engine system during the landing burn. If one of these scenarios occurs, an investigation will not be required provided there was no serious injury or fatality, no damage to unrelated property and no debris outside designated hazard areas.

In addition, the FAA approved the mission profile that included a controlled and uncontrolled entry of the Starship vehicle. If SpaceX chooses to execute an uncontrolled entry, it must communicate that decision to the FAA prior to launch. As such, the loss of the Starship vehicle would be considered a planned event and an investigation will not be required.

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SpaceX release
SpaceX Set to Launch Starship’s Fourth Flight Test

SpaceX is targeting Thursday, June 6 for the fourth integrated flight test of Starship from Starbase in Cameron County, Texas. The 120-minute test window opens at 7:00 a.m. CDT.

Residents of Cameron County and those in the nearby area may hear a loud noise resulting from the rocket's 33 Raptor engines firing upon ignition and as the vehicle launches toward space, but what people experience will depend on weather and other conditions.

SpaceX's live webcast will go live approximately 30 minutes before liftoff. Live updates will also be available on X.

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SpaceX video (via X):

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So far, a successful flight for Starship and Super Heavy. The booster lost one of the 33 engines at liftoff but made it cleanly through ascent to hot fire stage separation.

The booster then performed a boostback burn and separated from the hot stage (a temporary weight saving measure to be replaced by a lighter hot stage in the future) before executing a successful landing burn (using 12 of the 13 engines planned), to splash down in the Gulf of Mexico.

Starship, meanwhile, made it into space — only its second time doing so — and is now coasting until it reenters the atmosphere, and hopefully performs a landing flip and burn to splash down in the Indian Ocean.

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Starship made it through reentry (while almost losing at least one of its control flaps) and performed a landing burn, such that it splashed down in the Indian Ocean, off the northern tip of Australia.

"From South Texas to the other side of the Earth, Starship is in the water."

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What a show it was and I think SpaceX set a major step forward with this test flight.

Booster landing I found most interesting as it gently touched water and then tripped over. Anyone know if there are any plans to recover it for structural testing and inspection?

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Neither Starship or the booster will be recovered from this test flight.

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Well done to all concerned.

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It was spectacular! I tell you as a long time structural aerospace engineer I expected flutter and break up as that forward flight control was melting in the plasma stream. It speaks volumes to the robustness if the structure that it held together to the end of the mission. Well done!

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Fantastic. Looking forward to watching attempted catches.

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Yes, the catch attempts will be very exciting to watch.

By the way, I am impressed with SpaceX providing real-time visual coverage of their Starship test flights utilizing their Starlink constellation. Musk says the next flight test, which may or may not sport a catch attempt, will have full non-stop coverage.

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SpaceX video
Super Heavy landing burn and soft splashdown in the Gulf of Mexico.

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Note the fire that is burning to the side of the vehicle. I think it comes from the failed engine that fragmented after the landing burn startup.

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Even allowing for that failed Raptor, a very impressive performance. For the sake of completeness, it would be useful and fascinating to see the outside view of the SuperHeavy entering the water and toppling over. How long did it float?


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