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Robert Pearlman
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posted 08-03-2018 07:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by SkyMan1958:
In the future, will there be a commercial owner (e.g. Boeing or SpaceX) crew member aboard all the flights?
Chris Ferguson is the only corporate astronaut and he is only flying on the first test flight. On "operational" NASA missions, all aboard will be space station crew members (with the possible fifth seat spaceflight participant, whose length of time aboard the space station will be contract dependent.

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posted 08-04-2018 07:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SpaceAngel   Click Here to Email SpaceAngel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I thought Ferguson's spaceflight days were over after STS-135 and now he is going back into space?

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Last flight of one spacecraft and first flight of another... not a bad way to end his spaceflight career.

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posted 08-04-2018 11:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ManInSpace     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Going back to the day Boeing announced his hiring, he was frank about his desire to fly in the spacecraft he would be working on.

Not surprising given his age and experience. His piloting days were ended early upon termination of the shuttle; not by choice.

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posted 08-06-2018 09:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here is the Space Flight Awareness commercial crew poster, as created by NASA graphic designer Sean Collins and photographer Robert Markowitz:

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posted 08-06-2018 02:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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No further details were given.
Following up on my own reply, on Friday afternoon (Aug. 3) I asked Mike Hopkins about the lack of mission role assignments:
For every mission, there is a panel that gets together and they look at both the vehicle itself that is getting you to space and then they look at the ISS. So when you're up on ISS, you're going to play various roles, whether you are the flight engineer or the commander.

The same thing is going to happen with our vehicles, whether you'll be a mission specialist, a pilot or a commander. And so those panels still have to meet and decide how they are going to divvy up the different roles.

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I was wondering if the crews are briefing with proprietary information regarding their respective vehicles? If so, does this mean they can not brief astronauts of the "other" team regarding certain aspects of operations?

As engineering test pilots in particular will be getting into the nitty gritty of vehicle systems, they would want to know if the other team did something a better way.

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The four astronauts who were chosen as the "commercial crew cadre" in 2015 spent time working on both vehicles, and even some of the newly-assigned crew members have already had experience with both (Nicole Mann, for example), so while there is proprietary information, the concern seems to be more with exposing that to the public than between different teams at NASA.

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posted 08-08-2018 01:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Delta7   Click Here to Email Delta7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by 328KF:
Will there be new designations for the other crew or will they stick with the ISS standard?
Passenger 1, 2 and 3?

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Flight director Ed van Cise, who is a member of the NASA-contracted Boeing Starliner ops team, shared this photo on Twitter, which shows the use of the shuttle-era commander, pilot and mission specialist titles.

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Does anyone know why some of the crew members have red "wings" patches on their left chest, while others have blue patches? Thank you!

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Nicole Mann explains:
The blue and gold name tags are Navy, the blue and silver are Air Force or civilian, and the red and gold is Marine Corps.

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posted 08-08-2018 08:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jim Behling   Click Here to Email Jim Behling     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by star61:
As engineering test pilots in particular will be getting into the nitty gritty of vehicle systems...
The NASA engineers in the Commercial Crew Program are responsible for those type of things versus the just-assigned astronauts. Astronauts are not "engineering test pilots" of the past.

But any proprietary information, they cannot share it with other contractors.

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Incidentally, Victor Glover is set to become the first African-American ISS Expedition crew member.

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Will there be more backup crew member or should Lindgren and Wilmore replace each prime crew member if needed?

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According to Johnson Space Center public affairs, Wilmore and Lindgren are the only backups for the astronauts assigned to their respective assigned companies' flight test and first post-certification mission (PCM).

It is still to be seen if Russia or the other international partners assign backups for their crew members (to be announced later) on the PCM flights.

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...shows the use of the shuttle-era commander, pilot and mission specialist titles.
The CDR/PLT and PLT/CDR notes are interesting. Is that meant to distinguish an "up/down" alteration of roles? For example on the CFT does that mean Ferguson will fly the CDR seat on ascent while Boe will fly in the CDR seat for re-entry?

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The positions have yet to be assigned, hence it is not about up/down; rather it is about either/or as of today.

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posted 08-09-2018 11:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Delta7   Click Here to Email Delta7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Suni Williams will be the first astronaut to be launched from Earth on three different types of vehicles since John Young in 1981: Shuttle, Soyuz, Atlas V.

The only other astronauts who share that distinction are Schirra, Conrad, and Stafford.

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posted 01-22-2019 06:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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NASA replaces astronaut on Boeing's first Starliner crewed flight test

NASA has swapped out one of its crew members on the first piloted flight of a new commercial spacecraft.

Mike Fincke has replaced Eric Boe as a member of the maiden crew for Boeing's CST-100 Starliner capsule, targeted for launch to the International Space Station later this year.

"Boe is unable to fly due to medical reasons," NASA said in a statement released on Tuesday (Jan. 22). The space agency provided no further details.

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The obvious question: Why Fincke, and not Wilmore, who is a Starliner backup?

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NASA has not said, but one possibility might be that given the time before the flight (at least 8 months, likely more), it may have been more prudent to replace one crew member (Fincke for Boe) instead of two (as a new backup would also have been needed if Wilmore moved up, given the backup is for both the crew flight test and the first operational mission).

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Couldn't Wilmore fly the CFT and then rotate back into the backup slot for PCM-1, similar (sort of) to the first shuttle flights, where Crippen-Young flew STS-1 and then if needed be, would have flown another OFT?

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PCM training includes being fully prepared to spend six months (at least) aboard the space station, no different than any other expedition crew member. Boeing's OFT crew may do that, too (stay aboard for six months, still to be determined), but the training flow is different.

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Worth mentioning that none of the four astronauts initially assigned to the commercial crew demo flights will be on this mission now.

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Suni Williams will be the first astronaut to be launched from Earth on three different types of vehicles since John Young in 1981: Shuttle, Soyuz, Atlas V.
Looks like that distinction will now belong to Mike Fincke. Two Soyuz launches, one Shuttle launch and now an Atlas V launch.

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Here is the Space Flight Awareness commercial crew poster (Fincke for Boe):


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