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Robert Pearlman
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posted 06-23-2004 08:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by eurospace:
See previous message: Tito got a spaceflight for 20 Million, Allen did not. He personnally got a return for his investment. Are you disputing that?

I'll let Rutan answer for himself, as he did last night on The Tonight Show with Jay Leno:

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"Cost is the only reason we did this program," he said. "There have been manned space flights for a long time, but the problem is cost. For decades, the American taxpayers have spent hundreds of billions of dollars and sent it to their government. And most of those taxpayers, I think, were happy to do that, because they had the hope of flying in space.

"But right now, I don't care if you're a billionaire, you cannot buy a ticket in America. A billionaire can go to Russia and pay $20 million to get one ride. But Paul Allen, he didn't go over there and get a ride, he took that money and he sent it to Mojave, where we work, and we developed the first entire [private] manned space program for that amount of money.

"And because he did that, because he spent it that way instead of on one ride, we — all of us — are a lot closer to being able to buy that ticket. And we're damn close."


(The above transcription courtesy Alan Boyle's CosmicLog.)

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posted 06-24-2004 05:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for eurospace   Click Here to Email eurospace     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Robert,

Thanks for posting this interesting quote.

First he is wrong in saying "you can't buy a ticket in America" - you can, and you personnally know the ticket office - Space Adventures - as you worked there. I know what he probably wanted to say, but the image "can't buy a ticket in America" is factually wrong.

Secondly, you still cannot buy a ticket for a spaceflight starting INTO space from American soil. SpaceShip One does not go INTO space, it just goes to the limits. But I've said that before and it becomes boring to quote the obvious so many times. Insofar, Spaceship One does not beat the Soyuz offer on the market. Maybe some private project will in the future, but not yet.

Also, I've heard the quote in the media that Melvill was the "first private astronaut". Well, he was not. It was the first privately financed spacecraft, sure. He was the first privately financed pilot, sure.

But he was not the first privately financed astronaut, since this title belongs, I think, to Japanese TV journalist Toyohiro Akiyama who's company TBC bought him a ticket on Soyuz TM11, back in 1991. He was followed by British spacefarer Helen Sharman, etc. until to the names of Tito, Shuttleworth and Olsen - all privately financed astronauts that came before him.

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posted 06-25-2004 10:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for machbusterman   Click Here to Email machbusterman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here's a fine slideshow of Spaceship one/White Knight photographs. This was sent to me by retired USAF Col. Gene Deatrick.

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Originally posted by machbusterman:
Here's a fine slideshow of Spaceship one/White Knight photographs.
Those photos are available individually and as high resolution files from Scaled Composites website.

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Originally posted by eurospace:
an A4 on 3 October 1942 from Peenemünde
This drove me nuts and I did some research, and while I found out that the Oct 3rd, 1942 launch of the A4 only reached an altitude of about 50 miles, I did find out that the Germans made the V-2 go hundreds of miles up at White Sands Proving Grounds and even did numerous experiments in space.

So thanks for getting me off my butt, you learn something new everyday!

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posted 07-08-2004 09:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott   Click Here to Email Scott     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Video of SpaceShipOne's space flight is online.

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posted 07-08-2004 11:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DavidH   Click Here to Email DavidH     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The problems with SpaceShipOne have been fixed, and Rutan has his eyes on the X Prize.

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posted 07-08-2004 03:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pokey   Click Here to Email pokey     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Someone that knows someone that knows me has a web page with SSO pics and verbiage.

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posted 07-09-2004 10:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DavidH   Click Here to Email DavidH     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
According to Cosmic Log, SpaceShipOne will fly again in late September, this time aiming for the X Prize.

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posted 07-19-2004 10:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Richard Jackson   Click Here to Email Richard Jackson     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Good pictures of the launch.

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posted 07-19-2004 11:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Wehaveliftoff   Click Here to Email Wehaveliftoff     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Good pictures of the launch.
We all thank you for those magnificent photos of such an historic soar. Great photos, too bad digital photography wasn't around 35 years ago.

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posted 07-28-2004 10:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DavidH   Click Here to Email DavidH     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Scaled will begin its attempt to win the X Prize on Sept. 29.

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posted 07-28-2004 04:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for derek   Click Here to Email derek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Will be meeting Rutan on Friday. Still trying to think of a good question to ask him.

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Will be meeting Rutan on Friday. Still trying to think of a good question to ask him.
"Care to show me the secret SS2 hangar?"

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posted 08-04-2004 05:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for spaceuk     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I see that Burt Rutan has said that he would be willing to take passengers on SS1 after the X Prize flight and that the company is in talks with several potential customers for carrying out small payload experiments.

He has said he would like to do a passenger flight on 4th October 2004 - anniversary of the Soviet Union launch of Sputnik-1 on same date in 1957.

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I see that Burt Rutan has said that he would be willing to take passengers on SS1
Must take him up on this when I meet him tomorrow night in Douglas.

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Originally posted by spaceuk:
He has said he would like to do a passenger flight on 4th October 2004 - anniversary of the Soviet Union launch of Sputnik-1 on same date in 1957.

That's my anniversary! Tell him he should take me and my wife.

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posted 08-05-2004 10:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The October 4th flight is planned as Scaled's X Prize winning flight. Rutan's comments were likely in regards to carrying passengers rather than ballast for the required weight. As of right now (or at least the last time I asked), the FAA has only licensed Scaled to fly a pilot on SS1.

Rutan was rather specific before and after the first suborbital flight of SS1 that he had no intention of selling tickets for a ride. He said that passenger travel is likely 5-10 years hence and will be run by someone other than himself or Scaled.

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posted 08-06-2004 07:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for spaceuk     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Robert, Rutan apparently made these remarks to a UPI reporter in an 'exclusive interview' by them in the last few days or so - which made me perk up - since, like you, Burt had said he was not interested in paying passengers at this stage.

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posted 08-06-2004 07:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for the citation. Here is the article (I believe) you read.

My interpretation of this is as I wrote above; Rutan, when speaking of passengers is first referring to his desire to replace the ballast with people for the second X Prize flight and then goes on to mention that the demand (and list) for passengers is quite long. He says nothing of selling seats but rather its in the context of his brother wanting to fly as well as journalists and scientists. All of these would qualify under a different set of FAA licensing rules then would paying passengers...

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That's exactly what he said to me when I asked him last night, he did not intend to "run an airline."

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posted 09-28-2004 04:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aztecdoug   Click Here to Email Aztecdoug     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Any word yet on who is flying SS1 for Scaled tomorrow? Will Mike Melvill fly again? Brian Binnie take a turn? Pete or Doug? I asked Doug Shane in Lancaster two weeks ago and his lips were sealed.

Who will fly White Knight?

This is pretty big stuff!

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posted 09-28-2004 05:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just spoke with someone at the press site and the word is that the pilot and other details won't be announced until tomorrow morning.

Separate from the above, Francis French is at the launch representing collectSPACE and will be filing coverage afterwards. I'll be posting notes about the launch to cS as it happens based on communiques from Mojave.

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posted 09-29-2004 07:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for John K. Rochester   Click Here to Email John K. Rochester     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mike Melvill will again pilot Space Ship One this AM as they go for the first leg of the X-Prize..

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In addition to the webcast via xprize.org and space.com, NASA TV is broadcasting the SpaceShipOne launch (right now the footage appears to be coming from the VIP site). Note that after the launch, the X Prize is expected to announce its next challenge (hint, see xpcup.com).

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I saw some footage on CNN of the flight... they mentioned that the X Prize talks about three people to go up in space, twice within a fortnight time span. Can SpaceShipOne carry more than one passenger?

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posted 09-29-2004 11:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for machbusterman   Click Here to Email machbusterman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As I understand it this was a three-man crew. Not sure who the others were as when I watched it on webcast I had no sound though by what I heard on a sister computer Mike made it to 330,000ft and its just touched down at Mojave...

A huge congratulations to the entire Scaled Composites team!!

- Derek

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I was just wondering if SpaceShipOne has a reentry i.e. like burning through Earth's atmosphere. Looking at the vehicle after landing, it doesn't look burnt and doesn't seem to have a very thick or visible thermal protection system. How does it's reentry work?

-Rodrigo

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posted 09-29-2004 11:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for John K. Rochester   Click Here to Email John K. Rochester     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just Mike flew this flight with enough weight aboard to simulate 2 passengers. Many pieces of memorabilia from the members of Scaled Composites made up the ballast, but they had to sign a release promising not to sell them.

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I just saw a quick blip on the NASA channel. Looks like Mike made it okay. They mentioned there was some roll issue but Mike pressed on to reach the altitude required. Mike said once he knew he had the energy to reach altitude he shut down the engine 11 seconds early.

No other problems occured and in Burt Rutan's words, the flight was nominal. Burt went on the say they were going to analyze the flight data to see what caused the roll problem, and if they can correct it, they are ready to go next Sunday or Monday... Wow!

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Originally posted by MrSpace86:
I was just wondering if SpaceShipOne has a reentry i.e. like burning through Earth's atmosphere.
When SpaceShipOne reaches its apogee (SS1 is traveling at less than mach one) the pilot configures the craft into "feather" mode... (the wing folds upwards to almost 90 degrees) and spaceshipone begins a fairly gentle decent and when an altitude of around 80,000ft is reached, the pilot configures the craft for normal flight and begins his glide back to Mojave airport.

This negates any need for ablative materials.

- Derek

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I watched the live stream, the roll was pretty servere! I thought the craft was gunna break up. The commentators sounded worried too, describing the roll as an unplanned event.

Mike did a great job to bring it back under control!

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I saw the roll live on the webcast... It looked VERY worrying! At that point I thought that we were about to see a very tragic end to a brave attempt. Watching the mission unfurl was quite something, reminded me of watching the STS-1 launch/landing (being too young to remember Apollo 11).

Without the two other crew members how can this legally qualify for an X-Prize flight though? I take it the lawyers have looked at this.

- Derek

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I watched the webacast live. The roll thing was kind of scary when you could see the sun flashing around the horizon. I was afraid I was going to witness something ugly, but it worked out!

I was watching CNN on TV at the same time, and during the landing they were focused on the wrong plane most of the way. They had the camera on the Beech Starship rather than SpaceshipOne. Yeah, I was sitting there yelling at the tv at that point, "wrong plane, wrong plane!!"

Definitely exciting stuff!

Tom

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Without the two other crew members how can this legally qualify for an X-Prize flight though?
From my understanding, the requirement for the prize is a pilot, and the equivalent weight of two additional members, so could be live persons or ballast to equal two additional.

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I'm sure the X Prize website states ballast for passengers is okay.

Though I would put money on Rutan and/or Allen going on the next flight especially if the stories that the next flight will be its last and then its of to National Air and Space museum, or has Sir Richard Branson paid for his seat?

Thought it was great that in the spirit of privitisation of space a British company was there.

Have only seen the webcast in silent mode at work and that roll was something, I too thought "oh no".

Anyway, one down, one to go.

Will Rutan now go for the orbital prize as well? Let's keep our fingers crossed.

On a side note I got my Wild Wings holiday brochure, which are the UK agents for Space Adventures who are quoting half the price of Virgin Galactic!

Ian

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The X Prize website webcast was great - once they got airborne and all the gushing from the sponsors/presenters inside the tent was over!

Even without the "unplanned event" this was a fantastic thing to see live over the net with the wing camera. It was interesting to note the quality of the shot deteriorate as the craft glided down into the lower atmosphere.

An inspirational day.

Paul Bramley

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posted 09-29-2004 01:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hart Sastrowardoyo   Click Here to Email Hart Sastrowardoyo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
On a related note, where does Melvill stand in the record for shortest time between spaceflights?

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Originally posted by skippy in space:
Though I would put money on Rutan and/or Allen going on the next flight especially if the stories that the next flight will be its last and then its of to National Air and Space museum, or has Sir Richard Branson paid for his seat?
According to a newspaper, Rutan was afraid the next could be the last then off to the National Air and Space Museum, but with Virgin's interest, it's flying days apparently will not be over.

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Originally posted by thump:
From my understanding, the requirement for the prize is a pilot, and the equivalent weight of two additional members, so could be live persons or ballast to equal two additional.
Thanks for clarifying thump. I hadn't read all the regs...

Regards, Derek


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