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Kirsten
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posted 06-22-2004 04:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kirsten   Click Here to Email Kirsten     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by DavidH:
I'm curious how today's flight will play in the media.
A report online from Spaceflight Now.

John K. Rochester
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posted 06-22-2004 05:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for John K. Rochester   Click Here to Email John K. Rochester     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by DavidH:
I'm curious how today's flight will play in the media.
Rochester paper had it as the premier story on the front page, right below the banner. "Test pilot reaches space in private craft" with a photo of both Melvill and SpaceShipOne touchdown!! Again proud to be a Rochesterian (the China Launch last year was third page).

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I'm a bit surprised that the technical details seem very light compared to the Breitling Orbiter.

As a pilot I'd like to know speeds vs. height, landing speed, rate of decent etc. Any source for this?

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posted 06-22-2004 07:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ColinBurgess   Click Here to Email ColinBurgess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by DavidH:
I'm curious how today's flight will play in the media.
Most newspapers in Sydney did not treat it as anything special or significant — it was generally consigned to the overseas news sections of the papers on about page six.

Most television news bulletins carried it, with coverage of about a minute or so, but this was a little light and frothy, with footage of the floating M&Ms and Melvill riding the top of his rocket across the tarmac a la Chuck Yeager, and nugatory banter by the talking news heads about impending space tourism. One station annoyed me by twice saying that the craft had gone into orbit.

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posted 06-22-2004 10:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by eurospace:
It might be my lack of information, but has Rutan declared anything to the purpose of building an orbital vehicle with time and has Allen said he would fund it?
Rutan is very clear that he doesn't comment or describe future projects as if he did, and then for whatever reason he was unable to deliver, the press would label him a failure (his words). He did say though that he had no intention of "hanging around" in suborbital space for the next decade and that "orbital flight was much closer than anyone knows".
"[SpaceShipOne] is model number 316 and the White Knight is model number 318. I will be making a presentation very quick of a model number 346. Those are just numbers that I put on the napkin [that he used to sketch out the plan in his initial meeting with Allen]. The napkin will not be presented to the media until the spaceship resides in the National Air and Space Museum in Washington."
The above quote was from Rutan (as transcribed and described by Jeff Foust writing in The Space Review.

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Originally posted by gliderpilotuk:
As a pilot I'd like to know speeds vs height, landing speed, rate of decent etc.
Burt Rutan told reporters after the flight on Monday that after Scaled's team was able to digest and analyze the data from the flight, that a detailed report would be posted to their website.

You might want to check their flight log archive later this week or next for updates.

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posted 07-08-2004 09:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott   Click Here to Email Scott     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Video of SpaceShipOne's space flight is online.

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posted 07-08-2004 11:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DavidH   Click Here to Email DavidH     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The problems with SpaceShipOne have been fixed, and Rutan has his eyes on the X Prize.
X Prize contender Burt Rutan says his team has solved a control problem that threw its spacecraft off course during a historic flight last month and that the next time the ship flies it will be to capture the $10 million space jackpot.

"That's a complete, entire yes," Rutan said when asked whether his Scaled Composites team had gotten to the bottom of a trim-control problem experienced during SpaceShipOne's voyage to an altitude of 100 kilometers on June 21.

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posted 07-08-2004 03:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pokey   Click Here to Email pokey     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Someone that knows someone that knows me has a web page with SSO pics and verbiage.

DavidH
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posted 07-09-2004 10:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DavidH   Click Here to Email DavidH     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
According to Cosmic Log, SpaceShipOne will fly again in late September, this time aiming for the X Prize.
Appearing on MSNBC’s "Deborah Norville Tonight" Thursday, Melvill confirmed earlier reports that Scaled Composites is closing in on an official try, which requires 60-day notice.

"We plan on [trying] toward the end of September this year," said Melvill, adding that he didn't know who would be the pilot for that attempt.

Richard Jackson
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posted 07-19-2004 10:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Richard Jackson   Click Here to Email Richard Jackson     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Good pictures of the launch.

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posted 07-19-2004 11:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Wehaveliftoff   Click Here to Email Wehaveliftoff     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We all thank you for those magnificent photos of such an historic soar. Great photos, too bad digital photography wasn't around 35 years ago.

DavidH
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posted 07-28-2004 10:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DavidH   Click Here to Email DavidH     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Scaled will begin its attempt to win the X Prize on Sept. 29.

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posted 07-28-2004 04:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for derek   Click Here to Email derek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Will be meeting Rutan on Friday. Still trying to think of a good question to ask him.

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Originally posted by derek:
Still trying to think of a good question to ask him.
"Care to show me the secret SS2 hangar?"

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posted 08-04-2004 05:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for spaceuk     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I see that Burt Rutan has said that he would be willing to take passengers on SS1 after the X Prize flight and that the company is in talks with several potential customers for carrying out small payload experiments.

He has said he would like to do a passenger flight on 4 October 2004 — anniversary of the Soviet Union launch of Sputnik on same date in 1957.

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posted 08-05-2004 10:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The October 4th flight is planned as Scaled's X Prize winning flight. Rutan's comments were likely in regards to carrying passengers rather than ballast for the required weight. As of right now (or at least the last time I asked), the FAA has only licensed Scaled to fly a pilot on SS1.

Rutan was rather specific before and after the first suborbital flight of SS1 that he had no intention of selling tickets for a ride. He said that passenger travel is likely 5-10 years hence and will be run by someone other than himself or Scaled.

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posted 08-06-2004 07:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for spaceuk     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Robert, Rutan apparently made these remarks to a UPI reporter in an 'exclusive interview' by them in the last few days or so - which made me perk up - since, like you, Burt had said he was not interested in paying passengers at this stage.

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posted 08-06-2004 07:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for the citation. Here is the article (I believe) you read.

My interpretation of this is as I wrote above; Rutan, when speaking of passengers is first referring to his desire to replace the ballast with people for the second X Prize flight and then goes on to mention that the demand (and list) for passengers is quite long. He says nothing of selling seats but rather its in the context of his brother wanting to fly as well as journalists and scientists. All of these would qualify under a different set of FAA licensing rules then would paying passengers...

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posted 08-07-2004 10:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for derek   Click Here to Email derek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That's exactly what he said to me when I asked him last night, he did not intend to "run an airline."

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posted 09-28-2004 04:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aztecdoug   Click Here to Email Aztecdoug     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Any word yet on who is flying SS1 for Scaled tomorrow? Will Mike Melvill fly again? Brian Binnie take a turn? Pete or Doug? I asked Doug Shane in Lancaster two weeks ago and his lips were sealed.

Who will fly White Knight? This is pretty big stuff!

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I just spoke with someone at the press site and the word is that the pilot and other details won't be announced until tomorrow morning.

Separate from the above, Francis French is at the launch representing collectSPACE and will be filing coverage afterwards. I'll be posting notes about the launch to cS as it happens based on communiques from Mojave.

John K. Rochester
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posted 09-29-2004 07:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for John K. Rochester   Click Here to Email John K. Rochester     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mike Melvill will again pilot SpaceShipOne this morning as they go for the first leg of the X Prize.

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In addition to the webcast via xprize.org and space.com, NASA TV is broadcasting the SpaceShipOne launch (right now the footage appears to be coming from the VIP site). Note that after the launch, the X Prize is expected to announce its next challenge (hint, see xpcup.com).

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posted 09-29-2004 11:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for machbusterman   Click Here to Email machbusterman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mike Melvill made it to 330,000 feet and just touched down at Mojave...

A huge congratulations to the entire Scaled Composites team!

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I was just wondering if SpaceShipOne has a reentry i.e. like burning through Earth's atmosphere. Looking at the vehicle after landing, it doesn't look burnt and doesn't seem to have a very thick or visible thermal protection system. How does it's reentry work?

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Many pieces of memorabilia from the members of Scaled Composites made up the ballast, but they had to sign a release promising not to sell them.

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I just saw a quick blip on the NASA channel. Looks like Mike made it okay. They mentioned there was some roll issue but Mike pressed on to reach the altitude required. Mike said once he knew he had the energy to reach altitude he shut down the engine 11 seconds early.

No other problems occurred and in Burt Rutan's words, the flight was nominal. Burt went on the say they were going to analyze the flight data to see what caused the roll problem, and if they can correct it, they are ready to go next Sunday or Monday... Wow.

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Originally posted by MrSpace86:
I was just wondering if SpaceShipOne has a reentry i.e. like burning through Earth's atmosphere.
When SpaceShipOne reaches its apogee (SS1 is traveling at less than mach one) the pilot configures the craft into "feather" mode (the wing folds upwards to almost 90 degrees) and SpaceShipOne begins a fairly gentle decent and when an altitude of around 80,000 feet is reached, the pilot configures the craft for normal flight and begins his glide back to Mojave airport.

This negates any need for ablative materials.

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I watched the live stream, the roll was pretty severe! I thought the craft was going to break up. The commentators sounded worried too, describing the roll as an unplanned event.

Mike did a great job to bring it back under control!

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I saw the roll live on the webcast... It looked VERY worrying! At that point I thought that we were about to see a very tragic end to a brave attempt. Watching the mission unfurl was quite something, reminded me of watching the STS-1 launch/landing (being too young to remember Apollo 11).

Without the two other crew members how can this legally qualify for an X Prize flight though? I take it the lawyers have looked at this.

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I watched the webacast live. The roll thing was kind of scary when you could see the sun flashing around the horizon. I was afraid I was going to witness something ugly, but it worked out!

I was watching CNN on TV at the same time, and during the landing they were focused on the wrong plane most of the way. They had the camera on the Beech Starship rather than SpaceshipOne. Yeah, I was sitting there yelling at the tv at that point, "wrong plane, wrong plane!!"

Definitely exciting stuff!

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Originally posted by machbusterman:
Without the two other crew members how can this legally qualify for an X-Prize flight though?
From my understanding, the requirement for the prize is a pilot, and the equivalent weight of two additional members, so could be live persons or ballast to equal two additional.

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posted 09-29-2004 01:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for skippy in space   Click Here to Email skippy in space     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm sure the X Prize website states ballast for passengers is okay.

Though I would put money on Rutan and/or Allen going on the next flight especially if the stories that the next flight will be its last and then it's of to National Air and Space museum, or has Sir Richard Branson paid for his seat?

Thought it was great that in the spirit of privitisation of space a British company was there.

Have only seen the webcast in silent mode at work and that roll was something, I too thought "oh no."

Anyway, one down, one to go.

Will Rutan now go for the orbital prize as well? Let's keep our fingers crossed.

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The X Prize website webcast was great — once they got airborne and all the gushing from the sponsors/presenters inside the tent was over!

Even without the "unplanned event" this was a fantastic thing to see live over the net with the wing camera. It was interesting to note the quality of the shot deteriorate as the craft glided down into the lower atmosphere.

An inspirational day.

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posted 09-29-2004 01:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hart Sastrowardoyo   Click Here to Email Hart Sastrowardoyo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
On a related note, where does Melvill stand in the record for shortest time between spaceflights?

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Originally posted by skippy in space:
Though I would put money on Rutan and/or Allen going on the next flight especially if the stories that the next flight will be its last and then its of to National Air and Space museum, or has Sir Richard Branson paid for his seat?
According to a newspaper, Rutan was afraid the next could be the last then off to the National Air and Space Museum, but with Virgin's interest, it's flying days apparently will not be over.

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Melvill said he would not pilot the craft next week. "I'm too old for this sort of thing."

Did anybody pick up who flew White Knight today?

If Melvill doesn't fly next week, who next? I would venture to guess maybe Brian Binnie, but, it could be Doug Shane or Pete Siebold.

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I just got back from Mojave and watching that roll live made my heart stop! I was watching with binoculars and at the top of the contrail it just started what looked like a real fast corkscrew.

In his live interview afterwards he played it off as no big deal, I believe he even said it was pretty cool! These test pilots have ice water running in their veins!

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Originally posted by Hart Sastrowardoyo:
On a related note, where does Melvill stand in the record for shortest time between spaceflights?
I think it's the STS-83/94 crew have this record (less than three months). Mike Melvill has just a little more than three months, but I have not my flights records with me and some others astronauts have flown in short time several times (C. Walker, Crippen, Bobko, and recently Lockhart).


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