Posts: 54445 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
posted 04-23-2015 04:25 PM
This thread is intended for comments and questions about the James Webb Space Telescope and the updates published under this topic.
The JWST is NASA's next orbiting observatory and the successor to the Hubble Space Telescope. A tennis court-sized telescope orbiting far beyond Earth's moon, Webb will detect infrared radiation and be capable of seeing in that wavelength as well as Hubble sees in visible light.
Blackarrow Member
Posts: 3830 From: Belfast, United Kingdom Registered: Feb 2002
posted 04-23-2015 04:28 PM
Several years ago, Bruce McCandless told me that the James Webb Space Telescope was going to be fitted with a grappling point on the off-chance that a future astronaut crew might visit to carry out repairs. Is that still the case?
Will the JWST have a shuttle-type grapple-point? Would it be possible to send an Orion crew to fix JWST if it breaks down? (I do realise Orion doesn't have an "arm" but designing some sort of "grapple hook" would surely be simple compared with committing to a repair flight.)
Robert Pearlman Editor
Posts: 54445 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
posted 04-23-2015 05:14 PM
There are no plans for Orion (or any other vehicle, crewed or robotic) to visit JWST, and none of the telescope's instruments can be serviced on orbit.
In 2007 however, NASA announced it would add a docking ring "just in case" something truly horrific (and obvious) were to go wrong with the observatory's deployment that astronauts might be able to help fix it. But as far as I can see, the only mention of such an adapter dates back to that original news eight years ago and since then, there has been no official confirmation that the docking ring was ever added.
BetaCanum New Member
Posts: 6 From: Lafayette, CA USA Registered: Jan 2015
posted 04-24-2015 11:35 AM
Probably better to save the weight and just know that you could build a jig down the road to capture it if necessary, ala Intelsat 6.
posted 04-24-2015 12:08 PM
Since this observatory will be placed more than a quarter of a million miles from Earth it is highly unlikely that there will be any crewed servicing mission. Also, a robotic mission would be too expensive and probably too complicated to be feasible. The JWST must work properly once orbited or it will become space junk.
Jim Behling Member
Posts: 1975 From: Cape Canaveral, FL Registered: Mar 2010
posted 04-24-2015 12:13 PM
Its really not viable for JWST repairs to be supported by Orion. In the deployed configuration, JWST is a delicate and contamination sensitive spacecraft. Orion's RCS thrusters would greatly affect the sunshield and would deposit exhaust on the unenclosed mirrors.
Robert Pearlman Editor
Posts: 54445 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
posted 01-14-2017 11:10 AM
The U.S. Departments of Commerce and State have removed the James Webb Space Telescope from the U.S. Munitions List (USML), freeing it from International Traffic in Arms Regulations (ITAR), as part of a larger set of tweaks to the space export controls.
The revised rule makes several other minor changes to technologies included on export control lists. It also shifts NASA's James Webb Space Telescope from the USML to the Commerce Control List, after the State Department concluded that the space observatory "was within the scope of spacecraft and related items that did not warrant being subject to the ITAR." JWST will require an export license as it will be shipped to French Guiana in 2018 for launch on an Ariane 5.
The Commerce Control List is a less restrictive export control system administered by the Commerce Department.
Robert Pearlman Editor
Posts: 54445 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
posted 05-30-2017 07:09 PM
NASA release
NASA's "Webb-cam" Captures Engineers at Work on Webb at Johnson Space Center
NASA's special "Webb-cam" kept an eye on the development of NASA's James Webb Space Telescope at NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Maryland, since 2012. Now that Webb telescope has moved to NASA's Johnson Space Center in Houston, Texas, a special Webb camera was installed there to continue providing daily video feeds on the telescope's progress.
Space enthusiasts, who are fascinated to see how this next generation space telescope has come together and how it is being tested, are able to see the telescope's progress as it happens by watching the Webb-cam feed online.
There were two Webb-cams at NASA Goddard. Those cameras, which were mounted inside the giant cleanroom, provided still photos (refreshed every minute) of the activity inside and gave a peek at what engineers and technicians were doing to the telescope as it came together. Over the last five years, Webb-cam viewers saw some amazing images of the Webb at Goddard, such as when all 18 gold-coated mirror segments of the Webb's primary mirror were mounted on the telescope.
"The two Webb-cams we installed in Goddard's giant cleanroom have developed a huge following over the last five years," said Maggie Masetti, social media manager and web developer on the Webb telescope mission at NASA Goddard. "With millions of views every month, you can bet that if there was a camera glitch, we heard about it right away."
The new "Webb-cam" is mounted where it has a view of the cleanroom at NASA Johnson Space Center. The camera fronts the chamber where the Webb telescope will be undergoing cryogenic testing in a massive chamber called "Chamber A." Although there is no view of Webb once it is inside the chamber during the actual cryo-optical testing, there will be much activity on Webb in the cleanroom itself for several weeks before and after.
The vault-like, 40-foot diameter, 40-ton door of NASA's Johnson Space Center's historic Chamber A sealed shut on July 10, 2017, signaling the beginning of about 100 days of cryogenic testing for NASA's James Webb Space Telescope in Houston.
Any idea of the cost of this test? I'm not questioning it's necessity, just wondering about the money involved.
dom Member
Posts: 1123 From: Registered: Aug 2001
posted 07-12-2017 06:56 AM
I think after what happened to HST, the more tests the better!
Jim Behling Member
Posts: 1975 From: Cape Canaveral, FL Registered: Mar 2010
posted 07-12-2017 07:30 AM
quote:Originally posted by Fra Mauro: Any idea of the cost of this test?
The costs of building a clean room at the entrance of the chamber would be much greater than the test itself. The cost of the test would only be for the electrical power and fluids to run the chamber, the manpower to operate the chamber and manpower to monitor JWST. One may also include the cost of transport of the telescope to and from JSC.
This test is common to all new spacecraft designs. The issue was finding one large enough to hold the telescope in the deployed configuration.
Just a note, this is just the telescope portion of JWST, the spacecraft bus and sunshield are still in manufacturing at Northrop Grumman in Redondo Beach. The spacecraft bus will go through its own thermal vac test by itself.
Robert Pearlman Editor
Posts: 54445 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
posted 08-01-2017 07:39 AM
The James Webb Space Telescope is facing a schedule conflict for its Ariane 5 launch with ESA's BepiColombo mission to Mercury that could delay the telescope's launch by several months, reports SpaceNews.
BepiColombo, unlike JWST, has a narrow launch window in order to reach Mercury. ESA officials said earlier in July that the mission's current launch window opens Oct. 5 and runs through Nov. 28. JWST does not have similar launch window restrictions...
"It's unclear if BepiColombo will be out of the way" before JWST arrives at Kourou for launch preparations, [Alan Boss, an astronomer at the Carnegie Institution and a member of the Astrophysics Advisory Committee] said. He believed JWST needed three to six months of "full access" to facilities at Kourou to prepare for launch. "You really want to have BepiColombo long gone before you move in and start taking over."
If BepiColombo sticks to its current schedule, that could mean delaying JWST by several months. "There's some concern that that October 2018 launch may actually slip into the spring of 2019," he said.
Robert Pearlman Editor
Posts: 54445 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
posted 09-28-2017 01:47 PM
The launch of the James Webb Space Telescope has been delayed to Spring 2019, but not because of ESA's BepiColombo:
"The change in launch timing is not indicative of hardware or technical performance concerns," said Thomas Zurbuchen, associate administrator for NASA’s Science Mission Directorate at Headquarters in Washington. "Rather, the integration of the various spacecraft elements is taking longer than expected."
As part of an international agreement with the ESA (European Space Agency) to provide a desired launch window one year prior to launch, NASA recently performed a routine schedule assessment to ensure launch preparedness and determined a launch schedule change was necessary. The careful analysis took into account the remaining tasks that needed to be completed, the lessons learned from unique environmental testing of the telescope and science instruments at NASA’s Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Maryland, and the current performance rates of integrating the spacecraft element.
Blackarrow Member
Posts: 3830 From: Belfast, United Kingdom Registered: Feb 2002
posted 11-01-2017 06:47 PM
I don't want to sound unduly pessimistic, but the JWST represents a huge number of astronomical eggs in one basket. Launch vehicles aren't infallible. Highly complex satellites don't always deploy successfully. What's the back-up plan for astronomy if JWST fails?
(In human terms, that's a bit like asking, "What's your back-up plan if you die?" But people do die.)
Robert Pearlman Editor
Posts: 54445 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
posted 11-01-2017 07:09 PM
A launch failure, as they say in the business, would be a bad day.
There is no back-up plan for a loss of vehicle. If Webb were to be lost, it would be a significant setback for astronomy.
damnyankee36 Member
Posts: 75 From: Alamogordo, NM USA Registered: Aug 2017
posted 11-15-2017 01:43 PM
I have noticed in photos and diagrams that the actual telescope appears to be fixed to the shade assembly. To me this means that the telescope will be basically pointing at a right angle to the sun at all times. I'm sure there will be a little leeway in this angle; as long as sunlight does not fall on the telescope it will stay cool.
So, it seems that its range in pointing will be somewhat limited. Also, any particular window of opportunity for an observation will only happen approximately once every 180 days if the object is on the orbital plane. Probably not a big deal but it does limit what can be observed at any given point.
Am I correct in this assumption?
Robert Pearlman Editor
Posts: 54445 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
posted 01-24-2018 10:14 PM
Photographed by Ron Zaguli (cS: thisisajob), the transport canister for the James Webb Space Telescope made its way from Ellington Airport to Johnson Space Center on Wednesday night (Jan. 24).
The observatory's combined science instruments and optics will be loaded into the carrier and returned to Ellington to be flown to Northrop Grumman's facilities in Redondo Beach, California, where they will be integrated with Webb's sunshield and spacecraft bus.
Robert Pearlman Editor
Posts: 54445 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
posted 02-28-2018 03:24 PM
The U.S. Government Accountability Office (GAO) has issued a report stating that integration and test challenges have delayed the launch of the James Webb Space Telescope and threaten to push the costs for the observatory over its cap.
In 2017, the National Aeronautics and Space Administration's (NASA) James Webb Space Telescope (JWST) project delayed its launch readiness date by at least 5 months, and further delays are likely.
The delay — from October 2018 to a launch window between March and June 2019 — was primarily caused by components of JWST's spacecraft taking longer to integrate than planned. JWST made considerable progress toward the completion of integration and test activities in the past year. However, the project used all remaining schedule reserve — or extra time set aside in the schedule in the event of delays or unforeseen risks — to address technical issues, including an anomaly on the telescope found during vibration testing.
Extending the launch window provided the project up to 4 months of schedule reserve. However, shortly after requesting the new launch window in September 2017, the project determined that several months of schedule reserve would be needed to address lessons learned from the initial folding and deployment of the observatory's sunshield (see image).
Given remaining integration and test work ahead — the phase in development where problems are most likely to be found and schedules tend to slip — coupled with only 1.5 months of schedule reserves remaining to the end of the launch window, additional launch delays are likely. The project's Standing Review Board will conduct an independent review of JWST's schedule status in early 2018 to determine if the June 2019 launch window can be met.
JWST will also have limited cost reserves to address future challenges, such as further launch delays, and is at risk of breaching its $8 billion cost cap for formulation and development set by Congress in 2011. For several years, the prime contractor has overestimated workforce reductions, and technical challenges have prevented these planned reductions, necessitating the use of cost reserves.
Program officials said that existing program resources will accommodate the new launch window — provided remaining integration and testing proceeds as planned without any long delays. However, JWST is still resolving technical challenges and work continues to take longer than planned to complete. As a result, the project is at risk of exceeding its $8 billion formulation and development cost cap.
oly Member
Posts: 1490 From: Perth, Western Australia Registered: Apr 2015
posted 02-28-2018 05:35 PM
quote:Originally posted by Robert Pearlman: If Webb were to be lost, it would be a significant setback for astronomy.
Great words of wisdom Robert. They seem appropriate with this latest news.
posted 03-21-2018 04:36 PM
Is it possible that further cost overruns could end the JWST?
Robert Pearlman Editor
Posts: 54445 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
posted 03-21-2018 05:17 PM
Anything is possible, but it is not very likely. Both Congress and the President have touted the Webb as an important asset to the U.S. space program and the future of astronomical research.
denali414 Member
Posts: 896 From: Raleigh, NC Registered: Aug 2017
posted 03-21-2018 05:46 PM
With all the great knowledge that will be gained from the James Webb, it would be a great sadness and tragedy if this program does not go forward. Just makes me shake my head how budgets and timelines get so abused on these programs.
posted 03-23-2018 10:53 AM
I agree it would be a great loss but the cost overruns are phenomenal. There has been too much money invested in it to kill it now.
Blackarrow Member
Posts: 3830 From: Belfast, United Kingdom Registered: Feb 2002
posted 03-23-2018 09:09 PM
It's "too big to fail." Or perhaps that should be "too big to kill."
oly Member
Posts: 1490 From: Perth, Western Australia Registered: Apr 2015
posted 03-23-2018 09:42 PM
Sadly, until the telescope is sitting on top of a fuelled rocket with the countdown approaching zero, there is always an opportunity to cut the program and save money. If the current administration decided to use the funds somewhere else, or if a problem is detected in a system or hardware item between now and launch, delaying until next budget or cancelling the program could always be an option.
Mike Dixon Member
Posts: 1625 From: Kew, Victoria, Australia Registered: May 2003
posted 03-24-2018 02:55 AM
I would hate to see this program cancelled. Limitless opportunities.
Robert Pearlman Editor
Posts: 54445 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
NASA's James Webb Space Telescope currently is undergoing final integration and test phases that will require more time to ensure a successful mission. After an independent assessment of remaining tasks for the highly complex space observatory, Webb's previously revised 2019 launch window now is targeted for approximately May 2020.
...NASA is establishing an external Independent Review Board (IRB), chaired by Thomas Young, a highly respected NASA and industry veteran who is often called on to chair advisory committees and analyze organizational and technical issues. The IRB findings, which will complement the [project's Standing Review Board] SRB data, are expected to bolster confidence in NASA's approach to completing the final integration and test phase of the mission, the launch campaign, commissioning, as well as the entire deployment sequence.
ejectr Member
Posts: 2041 From: Killingly, CT Registered: Mar 2002
posted 03-27-2018 01:23 PM
Guess we'll wait and see...
Robert Pearlman Editor
Posts: 54445 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
posted 05-04-2018 08:10 AM
SpaceNews reports that the James Webb Space Telescope team is dealing with a new problem discovered in recent testing of the spacecraft.
In a presentation at a meeting of the National Academies' Space Studies Board here May 3, Greg Robinson, the JWST program director at NASA Headquarters, said some "screws and washers" appear to have come off the spacecraft during recent environmental testing at a Northrop Grumman facility in Southern California.
Technicians found the items after the spacecraft element of JWST, which includes the bus and sunshield but not its optics and instruments, was moved last weekend from one chamber for acoustics tests to another to prepare for vibration testing.
"Right now we believe that all of this hardware — we're talking screws and washers here — come from the sunshield cover," he said. "We're looking at what this really means and what is the recovery plan." The problem, he said, was only a couple of days old, and he had few additional details about the problem.
"It's not terrible news, but it's not good news, either," he said.
oly Member
Posts: 1490 From: Perth, Western Australia Registered: Apr 2015
posted 05-04-2018 08:53 AM
I had written a very long line of questions regarding how this could happen, but they were rhetorical. The most fitting response seems to be, OUCH!
Robert Pearlman Editor
Posts: 54445 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
posted 06-27-2018 11:40 AM
From NASA Administrator James Bridenstine via Twitter:
The James Webb Space Telescope will produce first of its kind, world-class science. Based on recommendations by an Independent Review Board, the new launch date for the James Webb Space Telescope is March 30, 2021. I'm looking forward to the launch of this historic mission.
teopze Member
Posts: 198 From: Ithaca, NY Registered: May 2008
posted 06-27-2018 05:49 PM
Sometimes I think it would be better for the whole community to just try to launch the damn thing and see it explode just to have it "done"...
Sorry for my cynism but that thing is not a white elephant anymore it's a white brontosaurus.
posted 07-06-2018 10:01 AM
This program has certainly become a problem for NASA and maybe to Northrop Grumman as well. NASA is fortunate that this hasn't become a national TV news story as an example of a project that could be an example of government waste.
Blackarrow Member
Posts: 3830 From: Belfast, United Kingdom Registered: Feb 2002
posted 07-08-2018 05:02 PM
Pushing the launch of JWST back to March 2021 seems to be a very blatant example of "kicking the can down the road." By March 2021, the President will either have been re-elected or replaced; the fate of the NASA Administrator will likely have been determined by the election result; there will be no looming mid-term elections; and the fate of SLS will probably have been determined by the results of the first launch.
Robert Pearlman Editor
Posts: 54445 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
posted 07-08-2018 05:30 PM
The March 2021 schedule was a recommendation of an independent, non-partisan review board based on the work remaining to be completed. Elections or the status of other NASA projects (such as SLS) were not factors they considered.
Blackarrow Member
Posts: 3830 From: Belfast, United Kingdom Registered: Feb 2002
posted 07-09-2018 08:36 AM
Then perhaps not "blatant" but the review board must have realised that a delay until March, 2021, would lead people to wonder. And it does conveniently mean that the risk of an expensive flop is now far in the future, politically speaking.
Robert Pearlman Editor
Posts: 54445 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
posted 07-09-2018 09:13 AM
That people will wonder has no bearing on much time is needed to complete the telescope and have it ready for launch. If the Webb could have been ready earlier, then the board would have recommended an earlier date.
Robert Pearlman Editor
Posts: 54445 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
posted 01-28-2020 02:24 PM
The Government Accountability Office (GAO) has issued a new report on the James Webb Space Telescope, finding technical challenges have caused schedule strain and may increase costs.
The National Aeronautics and Space Administration's (NASA) James Webb Space Telescope (JWST) project has made significant progress since GAO's last report in March 2019, such as completing testing of the observatory's individual elements and integrating them together in August 2019. However, new technical challenges have required the project to use more schedule reserve — extra time set aside in the project's schedule to accommodate unforeseen risks or delays — than planned. As of October 2019, the project had used about 76 percent of its available schedule reserve and no longer plans to launch in November 2020.
The project is now managing to a March 2021 launch date but estimates only a 12 percent likelihood that this date will be achieved. NASA plans to reassess the launch date in the spring of 2020.
denali414 Member
Posts: 896 From: Raleigh, NC Registered: Aug 2017
posted 01-29-2020 07:18 AM
12%? That is really low. Guess just did not want to admit not making the deadline yet. The science that can be achieved with JWST really exciting, but this constant delay so frustrating.
posted 01-29-2020 01:45 PM
Honestly, most of the public doesn't know about James Webb or the telescope. It's Congress that could have to address further delays or money shortfalls.